Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #7

[Scamperoo]

This is a good theory! Just to clarify, though, Casey did not check any messages after the 7:45 am phone call to her cell phone from the home phone. In fact, it looks like no message was left, as there is no "voicemail waiting" indication in the detailed cell phone records. So the call is still consistent with the possibility that Casey was just calling her own phone to make it ring so she could find it.

I looked at that point too but..the timing of the phone calls are interesting.

# 7:45:51 a.m. – Anthony Hm ph call to Casey’s cell ph
# 7:45:51 a.m. – Casey’s cell ph (voice-mail retrieval)

Thank you I'm pleased you think it's a viable scenario.

I looked at the timing of the calls and I thought if she was calling her own phone there would be at least some seconds delay between her home call and the cell call (while she retrieved the phone) but there isn't. Also the time line would indicate some misinformation here as it isn't likely that one would call at the precise second another was retrieving. So I'm going to have to do some more fact checking.

 

[Scamperoo]

I looked at that point too but..the timing of the phone calls are interesting.

# 7:45:51 a.m. – Anthony Hm ph call to Casey’s cell ph
# 7:45:51 a.m. – Casey’s cell ph (voice-mail retrieval)

Thank you I'm pleased you think it's a viable scenario.

I looked at the timing of the calls and I thought if she was calling her own phone there would be at least some seconds delay between her home call and the cell call (while she retrieved the phone) but there isn't. Also the time line would indicate some misinformation here as it isn't likely that one would call at the precise second another was retrieving. So I'm going to have to do some more fact checking.

Oh wait!!! it sort of proves itself doesn't it, only one call was made...duh!!! sorry I was having a silly moment :crazy:

 

[AZlawyer]

Oh wait!!! it sort of proves itself doesn't it, only one call was made...duh!!! sorry I was having a silly moment :crazy:

Right, the "voice mail" call isn't someone checking voice mail...it's the call from the house going to voice mail. The calls to check voice mail show up differently in the cell phone records.

 

[wenwe4]

I agree with the duct taping happening as a result of the big fight, and KC wanting to shut Caylee up. I am now even more convinced that Caylee's hands were once duct taped as well, but still on the fence as to whether they were in front or behind her. I am not sure that it would matter, as I don't believe Caylee would have been able to pull the duct tape off in time anyway. I still think that duct tape covered her little mouth and nose - just given the size of her face and the animations that were done in the duct tape thread. The Q-104 piece, many of us here believe was used to tape Caylee's hands. I doubt that any fluids would have leaked in the bedroom, but how quickly after death can a cadavar dog pick up decomp smell? I know a blood hound can pick up the smell of a live person, just wondering if Caylee died within hours of being removed from the room, would there be enough for the cadavar dogs to hit on a decomp smell

 

[Intermezzo]

I agree with the duct taping happening as a result of the big fight, and KC wanting to shut Caylee up. I am now even more convinced that Caylee's hands were once duct taped as well, but still on the fence as to whether they were in front or behind her. I am not sure that it would matter, as I don't believe Caylee would have been able to pull the duct tape off in time anyway. I still think that duct tape covered her little mouth and nose - just given the size of her face and the animations that were done in the duct tape thread. The Q-104 piece, many of us here believe was used to tape Caylee's hands. I doubt that any fluids would have leaked in the bedroom, but how quickly after death can a cadavar dog pick up decomp smell? I know a blood hound can pick up the smell of a live person, just wondering if Caylee died within hours of being removed from the room, would there be enough for the cadavar dogs to hit on a decomp smell

bbm
Me too.

 

[BD1]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

 

[sumbunny]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

I don't think Casey would handle her dead child at great lengths.
Dead bodies do "things" shortly after death. I think it would freak Casey out.

I also don't think Casey thought that far ahead. As we've learned, she lived life 10 minutes at a time, flying by the seat of her pants (and lies).

MOO.

Also, if she had planned to make it look like a kidnapping 31 days earlier..why would she wait until being hunted down, to claim "kidnapping"

 

[RR0004]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

So in her fantasy, she starts grieving...when?

 

[strawberry]

Don't know where the thread on the motion to throw out her statements to LE is...but HLN is discussing her statement right now and they are having quite a laugh. The one guy goes everyone grieves differently. And they all laughed. Now they're playing GA in the civil depo.

ETA: Mark Eiglarsh says he is all for the presumption of innocence but that doesn't mean joe public has to believe it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

No! I never thought it was an accident, even before Caylee was found with duct tape on her face. The duct tape just reinforced, imo, that it was not an accident.

 

[RR0004]

Don't know where the thread on the motion to throw out her statements to LE is...but HLN is discussing her statement right now and they are having quite a laugh. The one guy goes everyone grieves differently. And they all laughed. Now they're playing GA in the civil depo.

ETA: Mark Eiglarsh says he is all for the presumption of innocence but that doesn't mean joe public has to believe it.

Thanks...just caught some of that...it was done by the time I got here to post. Did they say much? I know they ended by talking about ZFG.

 

[Intermezzo]

Don't know where the thread on the motion to throw out her statements to LE is...but HLN is discussing her statement right now and they are having quite a laugh. The one guy goes everyone grieves differently. And they all laughed. Now they're playing GA in the civil depo.

ETA: Mark Eiglarsh says he is all for the presumption of innocence but that doesn't mean joe public has to believe it.

Is this the one
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124413"]2011.01.04 Defense Motion to Suppress Casey's Statements - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] Thread

2011.01.03 Motion to Suppress Statements
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68341345/20110103-Motion-to-Suppress-Statements

 

[strawberry]

Is this the one
2011.01.04 Defense Motion to Suppress Casey's Statements - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community Thread

2011.01.03 Motion to Suppress Statements
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68341345/20110103-Motion-to-Suppress-Statements

Yes, thank you!

 

[strawberry]

Thanks...just caught some of that...it was done by the time I got here to post. Did they say much? I know they ended by talking about ZFG.

Not too much else except how crazy the story is, that the defense really can't just ignore her statements as it is the elephant in the room, and that she adds a lot of details to make it sound like she's not lying.

 

[treeseeker]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

I still hope it was an accident, for Caylee's sake. Staging a cover-up would be easier for a sociopath. I have a hard time believing that JB would allow KC to face the death penalty if this were the case, however, regardless of financial motivation.

 

[Novice Seeker]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

No, Nope, Nada,

But that's just my opinion

Novice Seeker

 

[Tulessa]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

No, no and no. I think she killed Caylee out of spite towards her mother. This was NO accident. JMO of course.

 

[KenoshaKid]

Does anyone still believe the death itself may have been an accident (overmedicating??) and the duct tape placed later to make it *look* like a kidnapping gone wrong? I think Casey might really have thought life was like a movie, she could make up these great stories, the kid would be found later as a skeleton, duct taped, which fits nicely into a kidnapping plot, no suspects ever found...and Casey is a grieving mother, supported by everyone in her community and family as such.

For a second I thought that as well, it sounds like Casey. However, her lack of grief over the death of her daughter points in another direction. If it were an accident, she would have been consumed with guilt and grief. (If she was a normal person, that is.) I think back to the earliest jail tape, how all she wanted was to talk to TL, and was indignant that "All they want is to find Caylee, that's all they care about." Something really messed up about that...

Plus, she would have wanted the body to be found, as it would have (in her mind) strengthened her kidnapping-gone-bad theory, but she was, apparently, horrified when Caylee's body was found. But, if the defense is smart, they'll go in that direction. It's really the only thing that goes against motive and may have a glimmer of a chance of raising reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. "Hey, she screwed up after the accidental death, made a bad decision, but she didn't kill her daughter." It's all they've got in the way of a defense, imo. The way they are going now they are going to get her the death penalty. Just my 2 cents, of course. :crazy:

 

[MsRyber]

I don't think it was out of spite. The reason I think it was an accident is the flurry of calls to CA and GA's (I believe) cell phone that were pinged. I think she drowned in the pool and ICA thought she had to cover it up. Honestly, after CA didn't pick up her phone, I think ICA panicked and decided to go with the kidnapper story. CA had admonished her before about her care of Caylee, and her selfishness.
I would love to know if she was on the computer before all of those calls were made.

Of course, if she wasn't on the computer/her phone etc., then I would agree she killed Caylee to get back at her mother for the fight the night before.

The ladder being in the pool gives me shudders, and I think CA was honest when she made that point about the ladder being moved. I think at that moment she was trying to put the pieces together.

I don't think in ICA's mind that she could say Caylee died in an accident (even if she did), because then all of the character traits that ICA had according to her mother (immature, lazy, selfish, not a good mother) would all be TRUE. And THAT would be more devastating to ICA. Nope she couldn't have CA be "right" again. So I think she came up with the story of the imaginanny to protect herself from CA's wrath. If you look at her statements to friends, etc. she said things like "I am the worst mother for trusting my daughter with Zanny". So she isn't the worst mother because of a BAD character trait (selfish, leaves her child unsupervised while she does her "thang"), but rather a bad mother because of a GOOD character trait ("trusting").

That is just my opinion, I've swayed back and forth on what I think happened to Caylee.

 

[Tulessa]

I don't think it was out of spite. The reason I think it was an accident is the flurry of calls to CA and GA's (I believe) cell phone that were pinged. I think she drowned in the pool and ICA thought she had to cover it up. Honestly, after CA didn't pick up her phone, I think ICA panicked and decided to go with the kidnapper story. CA had admonished her before about her care of Caylee, and her selfishness.
I would love to know if she was on the computer before all of those calls were made.

Of course, if she wasn't on the computer/her phone etc., then I would agree she killed Caylee to get back at her mother for the fight the night before.

The ladder being in the pool gives me shudders, and I think CA was honest when she made that point about the ladder being moved. I think at that moment she was trying to put the pieces together.

I don't think in ICA's mind that she could say Caylee died in an accident (even if she did), because then all of the character traits that ICA had according to her mother (immature, lazy, selfish, not a good mother) would all be TRUE. And THAT would be more devastating to ICA. Nope she couldn't have CA be "right" again. So I think she came up with the story of the imaginanny to protect herself from CA's wrath. If you look at her statements to friends, etc. she said things like "I am the worst mother for trusting my daughter with Zanny". So she isn't the worst mother because of a BAD character trait (selfish, leaves her child unsupervised while she does her "thang"), but rather a bad mother because of a GOOD character trait ("trusting").

That is just my opinion, I've swayed back and forth on what I think happened to Caylee.

I just can't get it out of my head when she said all they cared about was Caylee. I think there was some major jealousy issues going on there. Go back & listen to Tracey's interview. Casey didn't want the topic of a conversation to be about Caylee. it HAD to be about her. Again I think it was spite work & I will believe that til they day I die. JMO .