Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[rch85]

Okay I have a few thoughts both regarding MC...

1) I keep reading how everyone thinks she was drunk or high, but I wonder if it could be something as simple as she took sleeping pills (obviously not the smartest thing to do with two young kids) but perhaps since RC has been on a new work schedule and shes been the one most likely home at night with them, maybe the kids keep her up all night and she resorted to taking sleeping pills to get a full nights rest. That could account for why she didn't hear anyone in the house and why she seemed so grogy when Ron got home.

2.) I thought both RC and MC as well as bio mom have all passed polygraph tests, wouldn't LE haev asked about where abouts all during that night? I doubt any of them would be able to lie their way through a polygraph with out getting caught.

 

[Lexington]

I still believe the theory I had since around Feb 13. Ron is responsible. Misty helped cover it up because she is afraid of him. I am posting again in this thread because the cadaver dogs hitting on the dumpster now lets me entertain the thought of Ron perhaps, temporarily storing Haleigh's body in the dumpster until he could later retrieve it... like after work... as in getting home a little earlier or whatever. LE says they don't know when exactly Haleigh disappeared, so I am less concerned with when he did it, than the fact that I believe he did do it. I know my opinion is not popular and I have no desire to argue with anyone over my opinion. I still feel 99.99999% sure Ron is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.

Again, I agree with you as to Ron being responsible, with Misty covering up. Not sure, however, about your dumpster theory although it is a good one.

 

[yosande]

Every day when I get on my puter I come here first hoping that there will be news of Haleigh. I want to know if she has been found but yet I'm almost afraid to look incase she was found deceased. It's been way to long without a sign of this little girl. I wonder if there was any evidence in the mobile and LE just aren't saying anything. This little girl didn't just vanish into thin air.

Did they ever find that guy who has been missing before Haleigh went missing? The one that broke into the mobile and ripped the underpants off the 11 yr old girl and molested her? If he is around somewhere he would be one to take to the station and question him really good.

His name is Chad R. He has his own thread in this here Haleigh's forum. LE does not know where he is yet. His location is still unknown at this time.

 

[TxLady2]

here is a question for the seasoned sleuths...

what is the time window between when living scent becomes decomp scent?

will a body continue to give off scent immediately following death or for an interval of time? or does it immediately begin to decompose?

I've read on the dog threads that for about 1 to 2 hrs following death there is no decomp smell for the dogs to pick up. don't know if it is true, just read it here.

anyone know?

Yes, from following the SP case, a dead body will give off a live scent for a number of hours, not sure how many, but I think it is more than a couple hours, though.
And even though a body begins to decompose within 4 minutes of death, it does not give off an odor for 24 hours. The gases have to build up before it begins to smell. The gas is what the cadaver dogs detect.

 

[yosande]

I been reading " Broken Doll" it the story Roxanne Doll who was aducted from her bed while her father was asleep on the couch after having beers with a friend Richard Clark . Richard Clark aducted Roxanne while her father was sleep on the couch. Every time I pick up this book I think of Haleigh. I am leaning to one of Misty's friend that was over the house( SO) Maybe Misty didn't know this friend was a SO.
One of the thing that stick out in the book is how Richard Clark have given Roxanne and sister and brother stuffed animals. I wonder if any of Misty or Ron friends gave Haleigh any presents out of the blue.
Also it stick out that Roxanne was not reported missing until the next morning, it seem that alot posters think 27 minutes is to long to called 911. I never thought that, I would be looking in closet and outside even in middle of the night. Now saying that, (31 days is way too long).

good question. I hope LE and/or Haleigh's family is reading here, and asks the same question.

 

[TxLady2]

LaLaw2000, I snipped your post due to space, but I did enjoy reading it. (I enjoy all your posts) I'll tell you why you could easily persuade me. First, because this was one of my first concerns. I had just written a reply to the Mark Klass thread on another case mentioning my concerns that missing children could start to look like a lottery ticket to some. Second, I was surprised at how quickly the talk of donations began. I will admit I never followed cases as closely as I've followed this case and "the other one", but I don't recall any talk of donations in other cases. Maybe I missed it. Third, not sure I understand the staying in tents. Both Crystal and RC have family in that town. Again, can't think of another case where people didn't stay in the home or, if it was taped off, stayed with family or friends. Did they think it would make them look more needy? I had put the hoax idea aside until yesterday when I read a news report about the trailer being accessible to the family again. TN was quoted as saying, "If he has enough money, he'll have the movers come and move the thing..." Sorry, maybe I've just become too suspicious after following the Anthonys, but it bothered me the way she had to add that about the money.
I have strong opinions about certain players in this case, but I still can't come to a firm decision about what happened. I also have strong opinions about selling t-shirts and bracelets when a child has been abducted. Again, don't remember this in cases before Caylee's case and I just am uncomfortable with the direction these cases seem to be going in. Do you know what I mean?
Anyway, I respect your opinion on this and always look forward to your insight.

I thought Ron was renting that trailer. How could he have it moved if it doesn't belong to him?
I hate to think a parent would kill their child for money, but it happens.
I've thought of all kinds of theories, too, but I can't stay fixed on one single theory. I wonder if Haleigh got a hard bump on the head somehow that caused a brain injury and she died in her sleep. Misty figured it out and then panicked thinking Ron would blame her for it later.
LE needs to confirm just who besides Misty saw Haleigh that evening, and at what time she was seen, and I assume that's one of the reasons they keep talking to Misty.

 

[TxLady2]

I have had this same theory from the beginning. It gives a motive and also gives Misty an element of truth when stating she doesn't know what happened to Haleigh. I do feel she is afraid of RC's big bad temper. I know I would be...:bang:

This leads me to speculate what would Misty do if 'caught' in this situation. If she had a visitor then whoever this person is could have been the one who harmed Hayleigh. I don't feel she would fess up to RC either way. JMHO

OT I saw footage on HLN of Misty smoking a cigarette. Isn't she only 17 and isn't that against the law in FL? Just curious as it doesn't portray a very nice impression. I am a smoker myself and hate to see young these young people falling victim to a habit that is sooo difficult to give up.:blowkiss:

I don't know about FL, but here in TX, they won't arrest an underage for smoking, but they will for trying to buy them, and also fine the person selling them. Many parents buy cigarettes for their teenagers, and they don't do anything about it. Kind of hard to go around throwing teenagers in jail for smoking, the jails aren't big enough. I've actually witnessed an adult buying cigarettes and turning around and handing them to their teenager, right there in the store.

 

[TxLady2]

(snipped for space by me)

Lastly, re a hoax perpetrated by dad. As much as I pray you're right Kat, my response is basically the same as to suggestions bio mom orchestrated--it's either subjecting too many family members to a nightmare full of heartache, or making every one of them complicit while entailing their collective acting skills. I can't look upon anybody's heart here, but dad's mom appears to me genuinely distraught and grieved. Mom appears to me not only defeated and possibly sedated but, as another poster insightfully pointed out may have done a good deal of her grieving two years ago when she lost her children to dad. Won't try to read dad and will only say we know unfortunately custody is not always motivated by, nor is it always strictly allocated upon, the basis of what turns out to be childrens' best interests. And that sadly for children, the same parents between whom there are waged bitter battles re custody and child support are often the very parents who may also fail to care for and adequately supervise those same children. Gf appears defensive and, to me, guilty--but of something less than direct involvement and more like a conscience burdened by knowing she is indirectly, yet inevitably partially responsible. Recognizing these two levels of culpability, LE continues rightly on their dual track investigation. I still have many questions myself (please see post #385). How I wish I could believe like you but for reasons explained throughout this thread and for the above reasons, I am still of the belief this was a preventable crime, of egregiously common opportunity, perpetrated by any one of the SOB's in immediate area, a tragedy that may regrettably have been set in motion by carelessness. JMO

arrot:

I have to agree with you on the custody issue. If anyone thinks that judges are always fair and make decisions based on the child's best interests, think again. Sometimes it is a matter of who you know, or who can afford the best lawyer. I firmly believe, after reading the petition for permanent custody, that Crystal was railroaded, because she did not have a job. I read yesterday that she had been in a traffic accident that almost took her life, and could not work for a year, which is a valid reason for not paying child support.
I just keep thinking about Ron's temper compared to Crystal's calm demeanor, and it seems to me that of the two, he would be the most likely candidate for getting rid of his child. But I still don't think he or Crystal did anything to hurt Haleigh... my thoughts keep going back to Misty either leaving them alone, or letting someone in the house who took her, and she is too scared of Ron to admit anything. And the fact that the LE kept the house as a crime scene for over two weeks, makes me wonder if they think something happened to her in the house.
It is very frustrating not to know any more details than we do.

 

[TxLady2]

It is still impossible to get dressed, get your keys, get in the car and drive 15 miles in three minutes. The "I hoped LE would follow me" sounds like a great one-liner they came up with much later on. The preciseness of the time (3:26, 3:27) stands out as odd to me. Saying something that exact and precise does not seem to fit with these folks at all.

I think I read somewhere that Misty called her dad before Ron came home, and I wondered why, what reason would she have for calling him first?
I agree that you couldn't drive 15 miles in 3 minutes. She could not have arrived at their house at 3:30, no way.

 

[Trino]

Then at the very least the person who did this, would have to have common sense. Based on this family's disfunction and generations of criminal history (fact), I find that hard to believe.

I completely agree. Based on this family's educational level, it's almost a joke to pull this off on LE, so many searchers, as well as the FBI. Maybe criminal history actually helped the kidnapper.

 

[drumstick]

I think I read somewhere that Misty called her dad before Ron came home, and I wondered why, what reason would she have for calling him first?
I agree that you couldn't drive 15 miles in 3 minutes. She could not have arrived at their house at 3:30, no way.

I agree as I've said before, in that part of FL with open roads, 15 miles equals 15 minutes.
I think TN was just trying to make the point that she rushed immediately to her son. I'm sure she didn't intentionally mean to mislead anyone about the time.
In a way she reminded of Beth Holloway stating how she was pulled over for speeding after getting the phone call about her daughter and asked the trooper to help her.
The point being the urgency of action.

~

 

[kiki the parrot]

I still believe the theory I had since around Feb 13. Ron is responsible. Misty helped cover it up because she is afraid of him. I am posting again in this thread because the cadaver dogs hitting on the dumpster now lets me entertain the thought of Ron perhaps, temporarily storing Haleigh's body in the dumpster until he could later retrieve it... like after work... as in getting home a little earlier or whatever. LE says they don't know when exactly Haleigh disappeared, so I am less concerned with when he did it, than the fact that I believe he did do it. I know my opinion is not popular and I have no desire to argue with anyone over my opinion. I still feel 99.99999% sure Ron is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.

Oh God Suzet thats at least as depressing as our SO and stranger abduction theories there's just something acutely heartbreaking in cases where it is the parent--the one responsible for protecting their child--who is responsible, the ultimate betrayal. I worry too that had there been another accident (after the near fatal drowning omg) that there may have been fear by dad that Jr. would also be removed and not only might he be charged w reckless endangerment but the gravy train would end--he might have lost custody of Jr., the tables would turn and he may have found himself having to pay support instead of collecting it. I did wonder too at dad's words, that he wouldn't give up... "until they find her." That didn't sound like he had much hope of her being found alive. Please Lord help them find Haleigh, please order the steps of the search and this investigation and direct their path to this precious child wherever she is... and keep your angels all around Haleigh and her younger brother. Sorry getting OT I like RJ am anguished and desperate for some word. JMO

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

thanks for the info - well if that is in fact the bus stop then the scent the dogs picked up could very well have been from her riding the bus that day.

also, just because Misty was washing all the blankets and such doesn't mean there was anything on them, maybe just to diffuse Haleigh's scent to make it harder to track her actual path from the home that night.

this is of course a theory that perhaps she took the kids and went somewhere else that night and something happened to Haleigh elsewhere.

After inquiring directly of Putnam Schools transportation the info I was given conflicted w what others began sharing on the busstop thread (based upon photos eg). I wanted to be sure info that our sleuthing is based upon would be accurate and felt the location important to verify so called again asking for clarification. This time it was confirmed bus stop for this particular route no. is co of Tyler St. at Buffalo Bluffs St (vs Monroe St. as previously informed) :waitasec: This changes my theory as it is indeed now a likely explanation for why dogs could have followed Haleigh's scent all the way down Tyler St.--so I think we needn't otherwise explain this portion of dog track. The implication is it makes RR theories less plausible IMO; cast's less suspicion on SO's in that direction; would further restrict ground Haleigh might have covered that day w a possible abductor eg and making it less likely she left immediate area--on foot. JMO

arrot:

 

[Jade]

A perv


Probably because the person in charge of the kids was either away partying or noticed to be routinely in a condition in which she could be counted on being passed out.

Proximity + opportunity = bad news

The trail leading to a shed seems to support this theory.

My bet jumped a train afterwards and is now in another area ala Couey.

IMO

 

[justthinkin]

I have not been following this case much, but I just watched the interview that Greta did with Ron & Misty.

My take, Ron is a hothead controller, read powerless, loser, human being. I believe he killed Haleigh, and is forcing Misty to go along, and has probably threatened her that she's next if she doesn't play along. I think he's the kind of guy that like to slap women around. Haleigh did something to irritate him, easy to do, and he backhanded her hard. Once he's in custody, I feel Misty will turn state's evidence against him. I don't think she had a thing to do with this.

 

[Issi]

I just don't understand why Nancy Grace is not pitting Haleigh's picture out there for the public to see. Why is she still talking about Caylee. Caylee has been found. I just don't understand it. We need television coverage for this case.

I agree... I posted something about this in a thread I made last week about how the media could be considered a necessary evil. You gotta keep getting that girl's face out there for people to see.

I do question NG's journalistic integrity quite a bit... Nancy has such a hate-0n for Casey that she'd rather focus on her when no "bombshells" have dropped in the Cummings case on a particular day.

I'm still on the fence on a theory... All I can guess it is someone close to one of the families. Proximity, relation, association, and someone isn't talking.

Something rotten in Denmark... that's for sure.

Oh man.. I just had a little thought... and really... this is just a thought. I don't want to accuse or assume... but could it be possible that LE is hiding/protecting someone?

Ok, a short story... When I was just a little kid, I had an uncle that shot and killed his daughter's boyfriend because he caught him sneaking around on her. No BS. They all lived in a sorta backwoodsy, rural area... He was tight with the local police and the judge. He got off scot-free... Swept under the rug completely.

Side note: My mother told me this story when I got older... Funny thing, my uncle was one of the nicest people you'd ever meet.

 

[Issi]

I have not been following this case much, but I just watched the interview that Greta did with Ron & Misty.

My take, Ron is a hothead controller, read powerless, loser, human being. I believe he killed Haleigh, and is forcing Misty to go along, and has probably threatened her that she's next if she doesn't play along. I think he's the kind of guy that like to slap women around. Haleigh did something to irritate him, easy to do, and he backhanded her hard. Once he's in custody, I feel Misty will turn state's evidence against him. I don't think she had a thing to do with this.

Totally possible... It's one of many of the more popular theories.


I wonder how all that works since Misty is a minor... or if that even makes a difference. It would seem that it would award her some of special protection should that be the case. I dunno... just typing out loud.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I still have a hard time believing any of the immediate family in this are directly responsible. And maybe it's just me, but neither can I quite envision dad trusting gf w something so big, so early. And while, as I've said, I believe gf could well be indirectly responsible for having left the children alone and/or becoming inebriated, I can't for the life of me picture her in any way involved w disposal of a body or anything along those lines. Call me naive but I just can't see it. I can't even see her arranging for someone else to do such a thing. So whether or not gf bears guilt or responsibility for negligence, I'm convinced she hasn't any direct knowledge of Haleigh's disappearance or whereabouts. JMO

arrot:

 

[nunzio]

The operative word you used was indirectly. Certainly a possibility. But I'm sorry, the Dad knows or has suspicions. For him to sit there day after day and take a trip 2 hours away to get that horrid tat and not be out leaning on people just doesn't make sense. He needs to be a man and bust some heads and if he doesn't come home at least he did it for his daughter.

 

[kolokolo]

The operative word you used was indirectly. Certainly a possibility. But I'm sorry, the Dad knows or has suspicions. For him to sit there day after day and take a trip 2 hours away to get that horrid tat and not be out leaning on people just doesn't make sense. He needs to be a man and bust some heads and if he doesn't come home at least he did it for his daughter.

Aloha Nunzio, and tyvm for your imput ... for myself it gives me a new perspective!

Bolded by me: If RC has suspicions why wouldnt he act on it? I have thought that over myself and cant reach a reasonable answer. The tatoo place, Ive tried to think it was the go between RC and whoever took lil Haleigh, but I think im reaching there too!