Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[debs]

I wanted to put this forth, it's not a theory but rather a thought. So take it FWIW, and at this point that is nothing!

In regard to the pictures of Jr. and his bruising. If it is proven that those marks were made by abuse of some sort, I can't immediatly conclude that it was RC that made those marks. I can't exclude him either.

Here is the reason why, MC was the caregiver. She spent more time with the children than either RC or CS. On that presumption, I assume also that she was the one to bathe Jr. and would probably be the only one to notice those bruises other than his Mother who would also see Jr. undressed exposing those bruises.

So I just wanted to put out the possiblity that since we have two adults in that home, and there are allegations of child abuse and bruising on Jr., the possibility is there that it could have been either adult in that home if the allegations are proven to be true.

Yes, we have the Mother who states that the Father had been previously abusive to her, but if we are to look with a completely unjaded eye, we must also include the primary caregiver in that residence where Jr. lived. Just my two cents, and opinion, not factual at all.

Just a point of technical fact: Misty is not an adult.

 

[titanfan62702]

IF the bruises etc started in late 2008, I would tend to think more that Misty may have been more likely to cause them. They may not be intentional. She might have a harder time with discipline since they probably thought of her as a big playmate.

And I've never heard of any child or even adults call someone "stepmom". In talking to someone else an adult might say "my stepmom" but just doesn't seem to be the name that would be the name they call someone. Even my x's grown kids who were wierd in many ways, didn't do that.

 

[Lexington]

No. I am basing this on my understanding early on of Misty's account to police that she had taken children on walk thru woods that day back in direction of pond I believe. ETA: It was mentioned in article where we also learned of child's footprints found behind house. I'd have to find again to be sure unless someone can confirm. JMO

arrot:

I remember this also, but I don't have a link. This in itself is suspicious. When did Misty have the time to take the kids on a leisurely walk. There was certainly enough going on that day without going for a walk. If I have my facts correct, Ron picked Haleigh up from the school bus at 3:45. The SIL and kids came over at about 5 and stayed for about 1/2 an hour. The a/c man was there at some point. GGM dropped off clothes at about 7-8 per TN. I would assume that the walk occured between the times that Haleigh came home from school and people started arriving at the trailer. That gives a 1 hour window. Didn't Haleigh have to change out of her school clothes, have something to eat. Very odd that this "walk" occurred in the same location as the dogs tracked. Did Misty inform LE of the walk before or after the dogs tracked the scent? Why go out for a walk when the kids can go into the backyard to play? I can see walking to a store or a shopping mall, but walking to rr tracks? Sounds really off to me.

 

[texasmommy39]

The important QUESTION is did she go out that back door to take that walk down to the pond?

 

[texasmommy39]

If it was that day would there not be more foot prints visiable and noticed by police when they noted the childs footprint.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Annie stated it was her opinion.

We only have GGMA reporting she was there around 7. Misty has yet to confirm that she was. Misty's comments have not been misconstrued. She has changed her story (as you say) "from the beginning."

Isn't it LE's job to focus on finding Haleigh? They appear to be doing just that. Where has the focus been taken off that task? LE isn't investigating any abuse allegations; DFS is.

Agree. Afterall, wasn't this thread started to come together, ask questions, seek answers, present facts--and share our opinions and theories (oh yea that's right that is why I started it lol :crazy I've personally read and appreciate the diversity of thoughts in the numerous posts I've found in regard to finding Haleigh. JMO

I remember this also, but I don't have a link. This in itself is suspicious. When did Misty have the time to take the kids on a leisurely walk. There was certainly enough going on that day without going for a walk. If I have my facts correct, Ron picked Haleigh up from the school bus at 3:45. The SIL and kids came over at about 5 and stayed for about 1/2 an hour. The a/c man was there at some point. GGM dropped off clothes at about 7-8 per TN. I would assume that the walk occured between the times that Haleigh came home from school and people started arriving at the trailer. That gives a 1 hour window. Didn't Haleigh have to change out of her school clothes, have something to eat. Very odd that this "walk" occurred in the same location as the dogs tracked. Did Misty inform LE of the walk before or after the dogs tracked the scent? Why go out for a walk when the kids can go into the backyard to play? I can see walking to a store or a shopping mall, but walking to rr tracks? Sounds really off to me.

Yes I figured it was either soon after school, or once nephews, neighbors etc arrived since children were reported to be outdoors. Kids nowadays do not necessarily dress for school in clothes they couldn't also wear playing. But I am certain LE would have made every effort to establish a timeline with Misty prior to releasing or sharing any info about the route dogs tracked. I personally felt better thinking she accompanied the children on that walk... better than the alternative, which is they were allowed to roam as far as pond, outbuilding, and who knows where unattended. JMO

arrot:

 

[nnglas]

Does anyone know about drugs etc used in date rape? Specifically, when the person wakes up.

I know a little. Normally, you wouldn't remember much from the evening after the drug takes effect. However, you would really feel like crap when you wake up. Especially if you were woken up prematurely. If MC would have been drugged earlier in the earlier in the evening, like after 7pm after the grandmother's visit, it is unlikely that she would have woken up around 3am, and especially woken up on the own. Most date rape drugs, at least the most popular ones, have the same effect a serious hangover.

ETA: The above is if she was given something like GHB or a roofie, which are date rape drugs. If she were given something like Xtasy, that is the so called "hug drug" and it basically just lowers your inhabitions, and she would not have any memory loss from that. She would be able to tell you everything that happened that night.

Also, please don't think that I go around giving people drugs, but I was drugged with GHB once at a party, along with a friend who then proceeded to drive the wrong way on a freeway and went headon into a car and they were both killed. I learned this info from my own experiences and that of a support group.

 

[nnglas]

My opinion the evidence shows she was awake and not afraid. Her clothes were removed. Some would have us believe she was removed from the home naked. I would think 40 degree weather would of woke her if nothing else. Then there is the foot print of a child on the wooden path the dogs followed from the back door. If you have not had a chance please read my theory on named thread. I don't claim it to be fact but my opinion of the evidence can be useful to discuss and ponder the evidence that was revealed to us in the 911 call and police report.

Really? Why do we think that?

 

[kiki the parrot]

Not speaking for anyone but if I may, I think this is the explanation arrived at by some for discovery of the pink shirt by Misty which she first described Haleigh as wearing. It causes some to believe there was a last minute change of clothing by perp before leaving w Haleigh that nite. There are other possible explanations for the confusion, including an innocent mistake. To me it's somewhat problematic because it demonstrates poor recall by Misty; and because it's removal could also be associated w a possible bedwetting incident. JMO

arrot:

 

[nnglas]

Not speaking for anyone but if I may, I think this is the explanation arrived at by some for discovery of the pink shirt by Misty which she first described Haleigh as wearing. It causes some to believe there was a last minute change of clothing by perp before leaving w Haleigh that nite. There are other possible explanations too, including an innocent mistake. To me it's somewhat problematic because it demonstrates poor recall by Misty; and also because of the possibility it could be associated w a bedwetting incident. JMO

arrot:

Ah, I got it. I always thought it was just a mistake. Just another one of those inconsistent details.

 

[texasmommy39]

Do we all really know what all the inconsistent details are? Do we know which ones the LE are concerned with?
If there has previously been listed these inconsistencies please bump or direct me. If I am not mistaken LE is concerned with MC inconsistencies 8 hours prior to 3:27 am.

 

[texasmommy39]

I found thread but no answers to above questions.

 

[felineforlorn]

txsleuth once again I have to hand it to you, you've got skills. Let me first preface by saying I'm not given to spooky "signs" (pardon the pun) but since I began googling street view searches I mentioned for route between 202 Green La and Buchanan Cir earlier this week, I kept focusing on this very same entrance to unpaved gravel portion of Tyler marked w arrow sign. In part due to reports of scratch along side of van--but primarily because after studying maps I knew this must lead to the propertly directly between or linking Green La, and properties owned by LSMSr onBuchanan Cir (113, 115 and 131 w waterfront dock that you pointed out).

What I didn't know is that LSMSr's own sister owned that property too wow, what an easy insular route a perp w free access and reign spanning all of that could travel--all the way from Green La even to the dock. I can not tell you how many times I wound up right back fixated on that same confounded yellow arrow sign!

But there was a reason, while I haven't your skills or access to plots and deeds, I did have arrest records you shared, many articles I researched re extensive drug arrests of LSM's entire family, my good ol google street view and mapping tools, and JWG's trusty map--yet that was one hurdle I couldn't get past... good work is right! I wanna know where this LSMJr was on the nite in question. I hope you shared this w LE too (in case they hadn't done their homework). In a town that size where everyone's related one can only hope they are aware of this but there's no telling. Have not found a registered SO by name of LSM (in Putnam, Pasco, Clay County, or Lexington SC) but am now also considering drug vendetta and perp may have had some kind of revenge motive. JMO

arrot:

I have no idea who LSM is, can someone post in PLot

 

[felineforlorn]

Not speaking for anyone but if I may, I think this is the explanation arrived at by some for discovery of the pink shirt by Misty which she first described Haleigh as wearing. It causes some to believe there was a last minute change of clothing by perp before leaving w Haleigh that nite. There are other possible explanations for the confusion, including an innocent mistake. To me it's somewhat problematic because it demonstrates poor recall by Misty; and because it's removal could also be associated w a possible bedwetting incident. JMO

arrot:

I have heard for years that some perps will change the clothing of kids, cut the hair real quick, etc to change their appearance. But they almost can never get the right size shoes, hence when there is a Code Adam in a store, etc they tell ppl to look at the kids' shoes. I'm not sure if this is urban legend or what, but assuming whomever took her maybe dressed her in boys clothes, put her hair up quick and a ball cap on her. Odd that none of her girl shoes were taken from the home too.

 

[tfrohning]

IF the bruises etc started in late 2008, I would tend to think more that Misty may have been more likely to cause them. They may not be intentional. She might have a harder time with discipline since they probably thought of her as a big playmate.

And I've never heard of any child or even adults call someone "stepmom". In talking to someone else an adult might say "my stepmom" but just doesn't seem to be the name that would be the name they call someone. Even my x's grown kids who were wierd in many ways, didn't do that.

I agree , i would think it would be Momma Misty.
I think that statement was a lie.jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

Where do you find the evidence to support this. The time line in question begins after Grandma stopped by with clothes at 7 pm. It has been confirmed that RC was at work during the time line in question.
Between 7 and 3:27 the children were in the care of MC.
40 days has passed=960 + hr since Haleigh's abduction and everyone is hung on only 30 hrs of police interviews with MC.
MC misconstruded comments have been focused on and picked apart.
I want to know how do you define a time line of events after you are asleep.
I must go like this: I rolled over at 11:23. I snored at 12:02 till 12:16. I threw off covers at 1:30 and drooled on my pillow at 2:46.
When ever you hit a dead end you go back to the beginning.
That is what keeps happening because of the obstructions that are being interjected into this investigation. The truth is until the focus is and remains on finding and bringing Haleigh home this case will continue in this direction of chaos.

Maybe I should of stated none of us here at WS will be of any help in finding Haleigh because of the obstructions that are being interjected into this investigation.

 

[nnglas]

Not speaking for anyone but if I may, I think this is the explanation arrived at by some for discovery of the pink shirt by Misty which she first described Haleigh as wearing. It causes some to believe there was a last minute change of clothing by perp before leaving w Haleigh that nite. There are other possible explanations for the confusion, including an innocent mistake. To me it's somewhat problematic because it demonstrates poor recall by Misty; and because it's removal could also be associated w a possible bedwetting incident. JMO

arrot:

But wouldn't it be odd for a person to stop and change her clothes if MC was home, or even with Jr being there? That would require more movement which might wake her up and anybody else in the house.

 

[texasmommy39]

It would be plausibly that the cinder blocks were just used to prop open the screen door to allow the perp to "bump" the locks.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I have been an avid reader of this forum for a long time. I have been disappointed in the argumentative posts of members as to the history and economic status of all the players in this case and have been intimidated until now to become a member and post. I feel this on all fronts has defiantly effected the purpose of the well intended to contribute in this search for this little one that is not where she is supposed to be at this very moment . I feel the talents of many are needed to bring to light the truth of this case and hope that others feel this way also.
These sad cases of missing children have been well researched in the attempt to learn from what Law Enforcement unfortunately have had to learn. The forensic science of the investigation has become an art with many missing and abducted cases solved in a short time.

It became clear to me with the help of all the hard work done on this site that this was not a random crime nor was it committed by a stranger. The truth is most abductions are family abductions.

My opinion is Law Enforcement would defiantly remain tip lipped if they believed that Haleigh is still alive and or they believe a family member is involved. We all would like to believe that a non family member had a hand in this but the evidence just doesn't support that theory. It is a family member! Who in this family would have a motive? This is my heart felt opinion and hope I am right only because it would mean Haleigh is some where right now will be coming home soon to her DADDY!
THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION !

I do not consider rumors or hearsay to form my theory but the evidence that was released by Putnam Count Sheriff dept.
EVIDENCE RELEASED
02/10/09 911 call 3:27 am

02/10/09 police report 3:50 am

1.) No forced entry.

2.) Back door open and screen door propped with cinder block.

3.) Light on in kitchen.

4.) Foot print on wooden path going towards pond.

5.) The lean to, stick chair, shovel and rope found in woods close by.

5.) Haleigh’s night shirt was later found in laundry pile after Misty is asked to find

Haleigh’s clothes she wore that day to school.

6.) Something was discovered missing of Haleigh’s after trailer is released to family.

MY OPINION ON THE EVIDENCE

The fact that there is no forced entry rules out stranger automatically to me. We have not heard mention the front door being locked nor the front door to the screen porch but can assume that defiantly would have been mentioned and picked apart by now. So it still leads me to believe someone close.
The propping of the screen door was planned. It indicates to me they had intentions to get in and out but also they where planning on getting back in and out with Jr. I don't see any other reasoning because they were not afraid to turn on a light. We have been told that Misty was in the big bed with Jr. and I am assuming she was on the outside and Jr. was on the inside near the wall and that is why they were not able to take Jr.
The light on in the kitchen. My opinion is who ever this person was they knew Haleigh but not exactly the layout of the trailer. This person may have known that Haleigh is scared of the dark. Obviously she was not scared of who woke her and removed her from her bed.
The Hanna Montana shirt that Haleigh wore to bed was said to be found at the bottom of the dirty clothes pile on the floor in front of back door and washer machine. We know it was very cool that night I believe 40 something and Haleigh’s shirt was removed probably to leave behind any type of evidence that later can be identified. I am assuming she was dressed in something warmer and they forgot the shoes which is so normal for us southerners.
Child's foot print was found directly on scent trail from back door so I believe it is a vital clue that connects to the crime. It tells me that it is someone who cares about Haleigh. Haleigh is not scared enough to run nor scream. She must be awake and conscious to stand.
That something missing is anyone’s guess at this time. It defiantly would reinforce someone who cares has Haleigh and is taking good care of her for the moment.
The lean-to, chair, shovel & rope I believe was staged.

EVENTS THAT HAVE GIVEN ME CONCERN

It has been stated by many and CS her self she was notified at 3:40am by TN, RC’s mother that Haleigh was missing. It was reported she did not call her father till 5am and that CS did not show till mid morning.

CS and her family have been slinging mud instead of being productive and positive in appreciation of all those that are there for that purpose, the search for Haleigh. CS put Jr. on TV with no fear of him being in danger for being able to identify abductor.



“To catch a mouse , you have to lay the bait and set the trap.”

DOGS AND THE DUMPSTER
My personal opinion is the use of the dogs, dumpster and the media was to observe the reactions of family members. Cs was interviewed and her response was odd, she said she had no knowledge of the search with Dogs in progress yards away nor that they had hit on a dumpster and that it could possible be linked to this abduction. She was not concerned and only asked over her shoulder to others in her camp "Where are the dumpsters?”......ODD!!!!! No mother would act so indifferent with that information if she didn't know where Haleigh was.

THE MARIAGE ANNOUNCEMENT
My personal opinion is this move is to further irritate or anger CS to make a move. I found it odd CS had make-up on at presser and 29 previous days of plain Jane doesn't make any sense unless the bait was taken and she is making her move. She must still have feelings for Ron because that is a move that indicates to me she wants him to notice her after their announcement. This development is definitely a sign they would of been hoping to see and are paying close attention to along with all persons in her camp. I personally find no fault in Misty's age or stated experience to be able to keep kids. I do have some concern for the babysitter to girlfriend to live in only because of her age. I feel if he truly has feelings for misty he would of respected her (no sex) and waited for her to turn 18 and in the mean while encouraged her to return to school or get her GED. But who is to say that was not the truth of the matter before hand and all these events are what prompted the sudden marriage, but I do believe their is more to this sudden event than we know. I am sure they know that this marriage will not protect either in a court of law in regards to Haleigh’s abduction , but are asking all to focus now on Haleigh and not focus on a now legal relationship.
JUSTICE COALITION PRESSER 3/12/09
It was obvious to me the press conference had a hidden agenda.My opinion was that all agency 's involved where not there for a pat on the back but an opportunity to see and hear Ron and Crystal speak and plead for the return of Haleigh. I watched everyone of those VIPs (Justice Coalition. FBI, FDLE and Florida's State Attorney plus Putnam County Sheriff and investigators ) from behind that podium keep watch of all family and others for reactions to the various statements that were given and the parents pleas for the return of Haleigh's return. It seemed to me that RC seems very close to investigators in comparison to Crystal, him standing behind and with all those VIPs said a lot!!!
CS pleas for Haleigh reinforce my suspicion that CS still has feelings for RC because she uses the term “Mommy and Daddy”.
It surely was not for the benefit of the public eye it was planned and staged to observe the squirm of those involved that were present and to send a loud and clear unsaid statement.
YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LIE MUCH LONGER
WE ARE MANY AND WE WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO FIND THE TRUTH

Who took Haleigh?.....
My personal opinion is CS and her mother MG knows who took Haleigh and who is now hiding her .

Why?........
My personal opinion is the way Ronald went about getting the kids in his custody 2005 is probably the main reason why CS went about it this way, to get even. I feel it was her intention to take Jr. also, but was unable to take the risk and remove him from the bed where he was sleeping with MC. CS has some physiological things going on in connection with this new family and the one she and RC started. Possibly some postpartum depression that has brought certain surprised feelings to the surface in regards to her non custody of her two children with RC. I believe that the children expressing their love for MC; RC’s 17 yr. old girlfriend was the last straw on Crystals back. .
It is a fact that Crystal is behind in child support and is possible financially strained with their one income household, new baby and both having support payments due for children outside their home. To obtain custody would solve the support due and lessen their financial responsibility outside the home, but how do you do that with no money and no one who has been on your side? You prove the parent is unfit and call in back up. I believe this is where the story begins.
Please note that this is my opinion.

....do you really believe that is what has transpired? I respect your opinon, just as I hope you will respect mine, when I ask how you excuse Rons and Misty's behavior and inconsistant part in this Heartbreaking 'Mess'? Or for you...is there ANYTHING to excuse? Do really believe that Crystal would plot to 'get rid' of Hayleigh for reasons stated above. I just don't see it at all, but that is just my own humble opinion .....FWIW..

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

....do you really believe that is what has transpired? I respect your opinon, just as I hope you will respect mine, when I ask how you excuse Rons and Misty's behavior and inconsistant part in this Heartbreaking 'Mess'? Or for you...is their ANYTHING to excuse? Do really believe that Crystal would plot to 'get rid' of Hayleigh for reasons stated above. I just don't see it at all, but that is just my own humble opinion .....FWIW..

I don't think she intended her post to say CS "got rid of Haleigh" but may have arranged for her to be taken somewhere else, hidden. Hence I think TexasMommy believes once CS gets custody (assuming she would)...then miraculously out will come Haleigh from hiding and found. This is not what I think occured...but what I took from what I believe TexasMommy believes. (I also do not believe the makeup for RC and still attracted to him. I believe that was for the benefit of the camera's and public tv)....my thoughts are similar, however, I do not believe it is CS. I believe it was someone in the trailer park that knew Haleigh and watched that family and did not like the way she was raised and wanted to "save her from that kind of life" and kidnapped her and went out of state somewhere to raise her. Someone who either used to live there...or friends with people who live there now. I think the perfect time to "move in to get her" was when they saw Crystal left the trailer and the children unattended. None of us know for sure if it was in the middle of the night. It could have been 9pm for all we know. jmo.