Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[texasmommy39]

Originally Posted by texasmommy39
please forgive me if this is not the right thread to post this, please relocate if necessary.
If you will take note of police report, misty stated she ran around the house and noticed the back door propped. It sounds to me she didn't notice the door until after she found Haleigh missing. Correct me if i read it wrong. I realize this again would indicate a"change in story" to some, but feel the chronological order of the events that night that have been stated over the last 5 weeks have been jumbled. IMOO I feel the inconsistencies that are being picked apart is because we have not pieced all said chain of events in their true order. I don't believe misty nor Ron did anything to Haleigh or have anything to hide.
Facts we do know that help us determine to our best ability poi and motive
Haleigh is 5 years old.
Turner syndrome
scared of dark. (per mother and father)
won't go with strangers. (per father)
will struggle if scared. (per picture of getting on bus first day of school.)

moved into trailer around Jan 2009 ( per friends, family and neighbors.)
New work hrs for Ron (night shift)
secluded area.
One road in/ out.

Back door propped.
Kitchen light on.
Shirt removed and found in dirty clothes on floor at back door.
Foot print found on path directly on scent trail dogs followed from back door.


Poi /motive
Stranger : Want child for their own.
Would a stranger have the opportunity? Would Haleigh go with this stranger and if she was scared? The changes in home and Ron's work schedule needs to be factored in to this scenario. Would they turn on the kitchen light? If kitchen light was left on by misty , would they turn it off or not care if they were seen? Would they remove or change Haleigh's clothes?IMOO a stranger would not have the opportunity nor would Haleigh go with a stranger.The recent move and change to nights would be hard to overlook with this POI. IMOO opinion a stranger would not take the risk with a light on. Why would a stranger remove her clothes?IT WAS NOT A STRANGER!!
SO/RSO : Want child to rape/ kill.
Would a SO/RSO have the opportunity? Would Haleigh go with this SO?RSO and if she was scared? The changes in home and Ron's work schedule needs to be factored in to this scenario. Would they turn on the kitchen light? If kitchen light was left on by misty , would they turn it off or not care if they were seen? Would they remove or change Haleigh's clothes?[/color]
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IMOO SO/RSO factor is the same as stranger. Light on would be a problem. IMOO they would not of removed her shirt and put it into Laundry. Haleigh would not go with a stranger SO/ RSO.
associate : Want child for revenge.
Would a associate have the opportunity? Would Haleigh go with this associate and if she was scared? Who would take a child as revenge? Would they turn on the kitchen light? If kitchen light was left on by misty , would they turn it off or not care if they were seen? Would they remove or change Haleigh's clothes?[/color[/color]]This is the improbable to me. IMOO ransom would be a factor. Would they remove Haleigh's shirt
friend : Want child to rape/ kill.
Would a friend have the opportunity? Would Haleigh go with this friend and if she was scared? Would they turn on the kitchen light? If kitchen light was left on by misty , would they turn it off or not care if they were seen? Would they remove or change Haleigh's clothes?
My question would be would they remove Haleigh's shirt? Would they need the light or risk it?
IMOO it is not a friend. IMOO they would not take off her shirt. they would be concerned about light.[/color[/color]caregiver (misty) : Hurt or killed child
She would have the opportunity. She could have a motive. She would have the ability.
Jr. would of been a witness to the dead or the noise. Would she have the opportunity to get rid of body? IMOO there would of been more evidence of a cover up and the act in the trailer and surrounding area. What would be her motive?
Family (Cummings) : ?????????? I don't know.
I do not see a motive here.
What would be their motive?
Family (Sheffield) : Child custody
Would a family member have the opportunity? Would Haleigh go with this family member. She would not be scared. Why would they take Haleigh and not her brother? Would they turn on the kitchen light? If kitchen light was left on by misty , would they turn it off or not care if they were seen? Would they remove or change Haleigh's clothes?[/COLOR][/color[/color]
Would a family member do this? would they be scared of light being on and being discovered or seen by Haleigh? Would Haleigh go
with this family member? Would they remove Haleigh's shirt to put on something warmer. Would they place the shirt in the dirty clothes to not be discovered?

I have done this to work out who might of had opportunity, motive and ability. I have my opinion as to who maybe did it and will share my reasoning if asked. But would rather have other's perspective on these points above. Tia

IMOO it was No stranger, No SO/RSO, No associate, No friend, No Cummings Family member.
That leaves Misty and Sheffield Family. Misty has been under LE pressure with no break or confession she maintains she did nothing to Haleigh. I believe her. I may be wrong. Sheffield Family has yet to be looked at.
Bumped for more discussion

 

[titanfan62702]

The theory I'm working on about what happened takes in consideration that Misty had been gone over the weekend. Is there any information about who she was with? Did they have the van?

I agree, it wasn't a stranger. Both Ron & Misty's sister-in-law have stated they think they know who did it.

 

[Flossie JMO]

IMOO it was No stranger, No SO/RSO, No associate, No friend, No Cummings Family member.
That leaves Misty and Sheffield Family. Misty has been under LE pressure with no break or confession she maintains she did nothing to Haleigh. I believe her. I may be wrong. Sheffield Family has yet to be looked at.

I am thinking the same thing

 

[titanfan62702]

I am thinking the same thing

I hope you're right. I feel the odds of her being safe are better if she's with her mother's family. They wanted her back with their family.

My question would be though, why didn't they take both children?

 

[Flossie JMO]

I don't think being with the family was the motive personally.

I am not sure why they didn't take junior, could possibly be related to crystal having another daughter, I am not sure, just guessing

 

[Flossie JMO]

Thank you for fixing the quote Tom'sGirl!

 

[texasmommy39]

Maybe they just couldn' get him from the bed while he slept next to Misty.

 

[texasmommy39]

She is going after him now.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Appears that way doesn't it.

She is going after him now.

 

[texasmommy39]

It makes sense to me. I just wish we were all more focused on this it might even help others break this case. WS has been able to find out alot about all these other POI. I would hope we don't overook these individuals because of personal opinions. I would wager there is alot to be found in this direction. Better safe than sorry.

 

[texasmommy39]

It has been brought to attention step mom is a nurse with a pediatricians office and dad worked as a jailer and with the Sherrifs Office years ago. I find these two things very interesting. I have done a address search for father and found a address in walaka not Georgetown comes up. Phone was listed in Aug. 2008. No addy but a p.o box listed for Connie in georgetown.

 

[weasel]

Appears that way doesn't it.

Very interesting theory. Does make sense.

 

[SissyPo]

There is just something strange about this case. Why woud someone kidnap one child and not the other for thing.
Maybe the real mother had her kidnapped and she is with someone she knows in another state.
Or also the daddy (Ron) abused her in some way and killed her and took her off way far from home to dispose of her body. He did all this before he left for work that day and Misty is so scared of him that she went along with his story of the kidnapping.
I know they both passed lie detecors test but a good liar could pass them and I feel they both are good liars....

They are strange people and a girl of her age living and marrying a older man like Ron is sick to me. Where was her parents in allowing her to live him in the first place. I would kill a man that old if he went after my 17 yrs. old child.
She should be in high scool and goingto the prom and such things, dating and have friends her own age. Not marrying a older man like that.

 

[kiki the parrot]

It makes sense to me. I just wish we were all more focused on this it might even help others break this case. WS has been able to find out alot about all these other POI. I would hope we don't overook these individuals because of personal opinions. I would wager there is alot to be found in this direction. Better safe than sorry.

txmommy I have welcomed the diversity of opinions and theories on this thread--including your's--and only wish to assure you that many of us have indeed considered this very scenario... in which Haleigh's mother kidnaps just one of two children out of vengance albeit w no means of concealing nor escaping inevitable consequences nor explaining in the long run circumstances surrounding this one child in the distant hope that her one child who's vanished mysteriously off the face of the earth and yet manages to stay out of sight as they go on eluding every LE agency for the remainder of their lives might be eventually presumed dead or whereby dad's proven an unfit father whilst LE goes on surveilling and exhaustively investigating every facet of her entire family's activities and background yet nevertheless being awarded custody of Junior all while managing for the rest of their years to arrange clandestine meetings w her cloistered child and simultaneously either putting both families thru a neverending nightmare and/or making her entire family complicit... all in her desperate plot to exact revenge and avoid child support. But out of an abundance of caution, just can't quite bring ourselves to rule out every other possibility just yet, no matter how remote... just not quite there yet, you know, better safe than sorry JMO

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[not_my_kids]

Theory: Misty put the block there and opened the door to threaten the kids into behaving earlier in the night.
First warning: be good, or I'm putting you out in the dark.
Second warning: Open the door and prop the screen so they can see it.
Third warning: Actually put the kids outside, because scared kids behave and it leaves no marks, like beating them would.

Just a theory...makes as much sense as anything.

 

[Donjeta]

Theory: Mmaisty put the block there and opened the door to threaten the kids into behaving earlier in the night.
First warning: be good, or I'm putting you out in the dark.
Second warning: Open the door and prop the screen so they can see it.
Third warning: Actually put the kids outside, because scared kids behave and it leaves no marks, like beating them would.

Just a theory...makes as much sense as anything.

It makes a lot of sense actually. But where did Haleigh disappear? Did a pervert just happen to be there watching? The river?

Here's another one: Greatgrandma and companion (has he/she ever been identified?) Ron leaving for work, or whoever had borrowed the van was driving under influence and Haleigh got run over. It was too late to do anything for Haleigh, but they invent the abduction story to cover for whoever was driving. Misty is offered money and marriage to keep quiet. If someone in the Cummings family was in need of her silence it would explain why they speak like she's the perfect mommy, the golden girl who can't do anything wrong, and it also would explain why RC said early on that he'd give anything to have his daughter's life back as if he knew what had happened to her.

Ok, I know it probably didn't happen this way because they'd have found blood and other signs of the accident and somebody might have told everything to LE by now if it really was just an accident. Just throwing things out there.

 

[Indigo]

I really don't know which thread to put this on. Hope it fits here.
Any theories on what "timeline part two and afterwards" might be referring to in this interview? It seems to be referring to the latter half of the timeline. Perhaps this dovetails with Schauland's answer when asked about Ron's alibi:

Timeline Part Two--looking back on 2/17 press conference

"We're still working on the timeline.There again, we're not going to divulge that information at this time.The investigation-- we feel pretty confident as to the general timeline when the girlfriend last saw Haleigh to the time where she reported this on the 911 call. That's the timeline we're focusing on. But there again, as far as the timeline part two and afterwards, we're not releasing it."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvThWynsIBQ

Schauland's comment:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://www.studentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

 

[titanfan62702]

I don't think being with the family was the motive personally.

I am not sure why they didn't take junior, could possibly be related to crystal having another daughter, I am not sure, just guessing

That was a "nice" way of saying getting her away from the other family.

 

[balaney]

IMO

Theory that Misty was pregnant - just as a few posters thought - and her 3 day binge was not a binge but possibly under medical supervision. Ron has a way of making young girls pregnant and history always repeats itself. If she was pregnant and went away for a few days, the family would know this and be very protective. If anyone caught wind of it, Ronald could be charged with sex with a minor. He married her just in case somebody figured it out. Hence, why Ron was not angry with the "missing for 3 days" and his family is so loving to her (no more grandkids out of wedlock). She comes home after Ron picks her up since she is not supposed to drive. He picks Haleigh up at the bus Monday - since she is not supposed to drive and probably medicated. He leaves the kids and Misty alone that night and Jr watches tv in the livingroom, Haleigh is put in the tub or possibly given medication to make her fall asleep because Misty is exhausted. Misty falls asleep. Wakes up and Jr is watching tv and Haleigh is dead - drown or from the medication. Misty wraps her in a blanket, wet if from the tub, or gets vomit on it if she was sick. Misty transfers her to a sheet and a plastic bag. Props the backdoor open like she does when she takes the garbage out. She leans the bag against the dumpster. She runs to get the van and uses the van to dispose of the bag. Leaves the back door open to look like an abduction.
Or she calls someone to bring the van to get the garbage bag for her.
Check phone records.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I really don't know which thread to put this on. Hope it fits here.
Any theories on what "timeline part two and afterwards" might be referring to in this interview? It seems to be referring to the latter half of the timeline. Perhaps this dovetails with Schauland's answer when asked about Ron's alibi:

Timeline Part Two--looking back on 2/17 press conference

"We're still working on the timeline.There again, we're not going to divulge that information at this time.The investigation-- we feel pretty confident as to the general timeline when the girlfriend last saw Haleigh to the time where she reported this on the 911 call. That's the timeline we're focusing on. But there again, as far as the timeline part two and afterwards, we're not releasing it."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvThWynsIBQ

Schauland's comment:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://www.studentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

(bold mine) Thanks Indigo, FWIW this is my take on it. As much as the press and public hangs on every word during pressers I think it's not inconceivable there's occasionally a slight inaccuracy or discrepancy in use of a word. So rather than referring to a 2nd timeline subsequent to 911 call, I think we could reasonably infer he may have intended "TIME" (vs "timeline") in first phrase (ie "confident as to the general TIME when the gf last saw Haleigh," and just following that more accurately maybe said or meant to say "AND" to, or "AS" to, "the time where she reported." I think LE IS satisfied w the time of these two particular events--yet may be nevertheless dividing the timeline into BEFORE BEDTIME (Part 1) and AFTER BEDTIME (Part 2). This makes the most sense indicating a confidence in Misty's story up to this point ('Part 1' including most importantly when she last saw Haleigh) while reluctant to disclose problems or holes they're having beyond that ('Part 2' including specifically eg WHERE, w WHOM, and/or in WHAT condition Misty was following that point). I don't think--at that stage anyway--that LE believed her directly responsible. I think they doubted the latter part of her story. As to whether this is still their belief, I'm not certain. HTH I would share this on Timeline Thread too tho (both places!) I could be wrong. JMO

arrot: