Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[lil momma]

hi ya'll this is my first time on here. i have been reading posts from others for about a week. LE is so tight lip about this case and i think it is b/c of the over exposure on Caylee. (so sad) i think that if too much info leaks out that the perp. might end up hurting her possibly killing her. i really don't know how i feel in terms of her being alive or not. i am a true beliver that (and in the words of my favorite person Judge Judy) "if it doesn't make sense it is b/c it is a lie" . it seems a little stange to me that MC would call RC and wait for his arrival home before she contacted LE. i just think that is wierd.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I have thought from the beginning that a SP that lives in the area is responsible. I think RC married MC to keep her close and to keep from getting into trouble with the law (her being underage). I don't think this case will ever be solved and I don't believe Haleigh will ever come home(publicly--she is more than likely there somewhere-deceased-God rest her little soul)

I have to say that I only come to this forum once or twice a week now. I feel so sad for Haleigh. It just got too frustrating between LE giving out zero info, side shows from all players that took the focus off finding Haleigh, and the attitude that took over in the Haleigh forum. I found that strange....... that the Haleigh forum got so contentious, as in the Caylee forum we all have different opinions but it never gets ugly or beligerent, so why did this forum get that way? IDK, but when I go over the few facts we do know about this case and where it occured, I feel like I am looking at a place in never neverland--like all the rules that apply to every other city, it's people, the rule of thumb, the rule of law, etc, etc, etc, --like all of that is upside down in this little piece of the country. For me(an outsider looking in) it seems to be a strange strange place (sorry Satsumians). Kind of like the old wild wild west or maybe it's the land of outlasting, just give any problem enough time and it will fade away on it's own??? Where who ever is left standing wins??? IDK, I just hate that I have given up all hope for Haleigh. jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

I have thought from the beginning that a SP that lives in the area is responsible. I think RC married MC to keep her close and to keep from getting into trouble with the law (her being underage). I don't think this case will ever be solved and I don't believe Haleigh will ever come home(publicly--she is more than likely there somewhere-deceased-God rest her little soul)

I have to say that I only come to this forum once or twice a week now. I feel so sad for Haleigh. It just got too frustrating between LE giving out zero info, side shows from all players that took the focus off finding Haleigh, and the attitude that took over in the Haleigh forum. I found that strange....... that the Haleigh forum got so contentious, as in the Caylee forum we all have different opinions but it never gets ugly or beligerent, so why did this forum get that way? IDK, but when I go over the few facts we do know about this case and where it occured, I feel like I am looking at a place in never neverland--like all the rules that apply to every other city, it's people, the rule of thumb, the rule of law, etc, etc, etc, --like all of that is upside down in this little piece of the country. For me(an outsider looking in) it seems to be a strange strange place (sorry Satsumians). Kind of like the old wild wild west or maybe it's the land of outlasting, just give any problem enough time and it will fade away on it's own??? Where who ever is left standing wins??? IDK, I just hate that I have given up all hope for Haleigh. jmo

You are so right about the feel of this and from what I understand other Forums as well. It is a shame we are here now to only debate opinions based on rumors and hearsay from this and other Forums and the one sided journaliziam that is beinging provided to the public. Digging up dirt and not facts are very distastful IMOO. Has the unspoken laws of integrity been lost in this small community and all know players? It seems that way to me. Do not loose hope, she will be found. It may not be a happy ending but a lesson learned by many. :blowkiss: Hang in there JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!

 

[doogiesgirl]

You are so right about the feel of this and from what I understand other Forums as well. It is a shame we are here now to only debate opinions based on rumors and hearsay from this and other Forums and the one sided journaliziam that is beinging provided to the public. Digging up dirt and not facts are very distastful IMOO. Has the unspoken laws of integrity been lost in this small community and all know players? It seems that way to me. Do not loose hope, she will be found. It may not be a happy ending but a lesson learned by many. :blowkiss: Hang in there JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!

Thanks texasmommy for the encouragement.:blowkiss: I so hope you are right and that little Haleigh will be found. I AM being kinda like a "debbie downer" today huh? I should just read and lurk the rest of the day I think.

 

[yosande]

txsleuth... am bumping my former post #663 (on 3/17) in response to your's. Yes, while possible alternative explanations may be offered for other portions of route that dog's tracked Haleigh--her walk to and from bus along Tyler, and perhaps a portion of the route in blue could be accounted for by walk to outbuilding or pond w Misty, nephews or neighbors--as I said there is no known reason for Haleigh to have traveled to Buchanan via Monroe St. None. Exactly as I've been asking, WTH WAS SHE DOING ALL THE WAY UP THERE? Omg you're gonna get me virtually touring w the google streetview again... JMO
:banghead:

arrot:

Since we do know that it wasn't Crystals weekend, and we think Misty may not have been there that weekend either, we are left with Ron, or friends taking the kids for a walk within a three day period which is what I read the dogs can track for. Threrefore, since I don't think Ron is a stroller kind of guy taking his kids on a nice sunny Sunday afternoon walk, I suggest the kids had spent some part of the day with Misty's sil, and all the kids rode around the block on bikes that weekend. jmo
LE, I think it was LE who said that they brought the sheets, blankets out the side door to give the dogs a scent and the wind was blowing in the direction of the water. That could account for the dogs going in that direction. However, I don't know anything about tracking dogs, but if they took the blanket, and sheet off the big bed, and Haleigh was never threre, then would they be tracking Ron's scent? The route to the bus stop is explainable. moo

 

[osomatta]

Aloha Everyone. This is my first post on the forum although I have been lurking for some time and my wife has become a regular contributor in her own right (under her own login name). She has followed the "Haleigh Case" much more closely than I have and we bounce ideas off each other constantly. Last night, she asked me for my opinion as to what actually happened/is happening in the case and what follows is the most concise version of my explanation to her that I could come up with. I apologize in advance if the post is somewhat long...

It is my theory that Haleigh was abducted by someone other than Ron/Misty or Crystal. The perpetrator(s) was someone who was either trying to extort money from Ron or exact revenge for a previous transgression committed by Ron. It is possible, even probable that this person is a relative (albeit perhaps, a distant relative) or a reasonably well known (enough to be recognized by Haleigh) acquaintance of Ron. My “gut feeling” is that Haleigh is still alive. Whoever has her did not originally take her with the intention of harming or killing her, but with the intention of getting something out of Ron.

By this theory, Ron’s and Misty’s involvement in the abduction is only to the point where they may be guilty (one or both of them) only of some negligence in that Haleigh was abducted while she was their ward. IOW, they weren’t “paying attention” and Haleigh was taken on their watch.

The perpetrator’s original intent was to either hold Haleigh for ransom or torment Ron by taking his child. It wasn’t anticipated by the kidnapper that Ron would immediately go to the authorities and that the search and investigation would escalate so quickly. As such, the perpetrator was put in a position whereby he/she could not immediately return the child without being prosecuted and has now been “backed into a corner” as it were, to where Haleigh is now the only leverage he/she has (or at least, that’s the perception of the perpetrator—the reality is that whomever has done this is going to be prosecuted no matter what the outcome as regards Haleigh’s return).

I suspect that the authorities have a good idea who has Haleigh, but NOT where he/she is and where Haleigh is being kept. Hence, the lack of information forthcoming by said authorities—they are stalling for time while the Fibbies (and everyone else) are frantically trying to figure out where the child is and retrieve her before the kidnapper really panics and does something stupid (like kill her). That’s why in the press conference, the Sheriff asks for patience and says things like, “...everyone is a suspect…” These non-committal comments are a smokescreen to buy time to locate and retrieve the child safely and to not provoke the abductor(s) into doing something rash.

One might question, “Why doesn’t the kidnapper simply release the child—drop her off somewhere and let her be found?” The reason is that the child knows her abductors and they can’t afford to let her go because she can identify him/her. Secondly, in the perpetrator’s mind, Haleigh is the only real “bargaining chip” he/she has for any chance of getting out of this. In his/her mind, he/she is angling for a deal, “...if I return the child, you won’t prosecute me…” (Of course, we all know this will never happen—but in their panicked state, that is the fractured perception of the kidnapper(s).)

This is also why 3rd party searches have been called off by the authorities. They didn’t want anyone stumbling onto the kidnappers/child and precipitating an incident that would further put the child at risk and/or they don’t want to incur any further costs of unnecessary search activities. As for “strange” behavior by parties close to the situation (Ron/Misty’s marriage, Antics of various private investigators, etc.), they are working with authorities to help maintain a smokescreen of impertinence to help buy time for Haleigh to be found.

In my gut, I don’t feel the little girl is dead yet. I just don’t have the feeling that she is deceased. That could very easily change though, depending on what authorities say/do.

I may be completely off the track as I have probably not taken into account every detail that has been brought to light about the case. This is based simply on my overall "feel" and observation of the goings on in this case. Some generalities have been made in the interest of brevity and if necessary, I will attempt to explain further.

 

[concentric]

Aloha Everyone. This is my first post on the forum although I have been lurking for some time and my wife has become a regular contributor in her own right (under her own login name). She has followed the "Haleigh Case" much more closely than I have and we bounce ideas off each other constantly. Last night, she asked me for my opinion as to what actually happened/is happening in the case and what follows is the most concise version of my explanation to her that I could come up with. I apologize in advance if the post is somewhat long...

It is my theory that Haleigh was abducted by someone other than Ron/Misty or Crystal. The perpetrator(s) was someone who was either trying to extort money from Ron or exact revenge for a previous transgression committed by Ron. It is possible, even probable that this person is a relative (albeit perhaps, a distant relative) or a reasonably well known (enough to be recognized by Haleigh) acquaintance of Ron. My “gut feeling” is that Haleigh is still alive. Whoever has her did not originally take her with the intention of harming or killing her, but with the intention of getting something out of Ron.

By this theory, Ron’s and Misty’s involvement in the abduction is only to the point where they may be guilty (one or both of them) only of some negligence in that Haleigh was abducted while she was their ward. IOW, they weren’t “paying attention” and Haleigh was taken on their watch.

The perpetrator’s original intent was to either hold Haleigh for ransom or torment Ron by taking his child. It wasn’t anticipated by the kidnapper that Ron would immediately go to the authorities and that the search and investigation would escalate so quickly. As such, the perpetrator was put in a position whereby he/she could not immediately return the child without being prosecuted and has now been “backed into a corner” as it were, to where Haleigh is now the only leverage he/she has (or at least, that’s the perception of the perpetrator—the reality is that whomever has done this is going to be prosecuted no matter what the outcome as regards Haleigh’s return).

I suspect that the authorities have a good idea who has Haleigh, but NOT where he/she is and where Haleigh is being kept. Hence, the lack of information forthcoming by said authorities—they are stalling for time while the Fibbies (and everyone else) are frantically trying to figure out where the child is and retrieve her before the kidnapper really panics and does something stupid (like kill her). That’s why in the press conference, the Sheriff asks for patience and says things like, “...everyone is a suspect…” These non-committal comments are a smokescreen to buy time to locate and retrieve the child safely and to not provoke the abductor(s) into doing something rash.

One might question, “Why doesn’t the kidnapper simply release the child—drop her off somewhere and let her be found?” The reason is that the child knows her abductors and they can’t afford to let her go because she can identify him/her. Secondly, in the perpetrator’s mind, Haleigh is the only real “bargaining chip” he/she has for any chance of getting out of this. In his/her mind, he/she is angling for a deal, “...if I return the child, you won’t prosecute me…” (Of course, we all know this will never happen—but in their panicked state, that is the fractured perception of the kidnapper(s).)

This is also why 3rd party searches have been called off by the authorities. They didn’t want anyone stumbling onto the kidnappers/child and precipitating an incident that would further put the child at risk and/or they don’t want to incur any further costs of unnecessary search activities. As for “strange” behavior by parties close to the situation (Ron/Misty’s marriage, Antics of various private investigators, etc.), they are working with authorities to help maintain a smokescreen of impertinence to help buy time for Haleigh to be found.

In my gut, I don’t feel the little girl is dead yet. I just don’t have the feeling that she is deceased. That could very easily change though, depending on what authorities say/do.

I may be completely off the track as I have probably not taken into account every detail that has been brought to light about the case. This is based simply on my overall "feel" and observation of the goings on in this case. Some generalities have been made in the interest of brevity and if necessary, I will attempt to explain further.

If I am understanding what you say, this case is seemingly confounded by the lack of veracity of the players involved to reveal their drug supply contacts (any other suggestions as to what a theoretical transgression could be in this case?). There are many reasons for each of them to limit information--it all has to do with the custody issue and who is (are) the better parents? And meanwhile a child's well-being and life hang in the balance.

 

[KMT51]

Aloha Everyone. This is my first post on the forum although I have been lurking for some time and my wife has become a regular contributor in her own right (under her own login name). She has followed the "Haleigh Case" much more closely than I have and we bounce ideas off each other constantly. Last night, she asked me for my opinion as to what actually happened/is happening in the case and what follows is the most concise version of my explanation to her that I could come up with. I apologize in advance if the post is somewhat long...

It is my theory that Haleigh was abducted by someone other than Ron/Misty or Crystal. The perpetrator(s) was someone who was either trying to extort money from Ron or exact revenge for a previous transgression committed by Ron. It is possible, even probable that this person is a relative (albeit perhaps, a distant relative) or a reasonably well known (enough to be recognized by Haleigh) acquaintance of Ron. My “gut feeling” is that Haleigh is still alive. Whoever has her did not originally take her with the intention of harming or killing her, but with the intention of getting something out of Ron.

By this theory, Ron’s and Misty’s involvement in the abduction is only to the point where they may be guilty (one or both of them) only of some negligence in that Haleigh was abducted while she was their ward. IOW, they weren’t “paying attention” and Haleigh was taken on their watch.

The perpetrator’s original intent was to either hold Haleigh for ransom or torment Ron by taking his child. It wasn’t anticipated by the kidnapper that Ron would immediately go to the authorities and that the search and investigation would escalate so quickly. As such, the perpetrator was put in a position whereby he/she could not immediately return the child without being prosecuted and has now been “backed into a corner” as it were, to where Haleigh is now the only leverage he/she has (or at least, that’s the perception of the perpetrator—the reality is that whomever has done this is going to be prosecuted no matter what the outcome as regards Haleigh’s return).

I suspect that the authorities have a good idea who has Haleigh, but NOT where he/she is and where Haleigh is being kept. Hence, the lack of information forthcoming by said authorities—they are stalling for time while the Fibbies (and everyone else) are frantically trying to figure out where the child is and retrieve her before the kidnapper really panics and does something stupid (like kill her). That’s why in the press conference, the Sheriff asks for patience and says things like, “...everyone is a suspect…” These non-committal comments are a smokescreen to buy time to locate and retrieve the child safely and to not provoke the abductor(s) into doing something rash.

One might question, “Why doesn’t the kidnapper simply release the child—drop her off somewhere and let her be found?” The reason is that the child knows her abductors and they can’t afford to let her go because she can identify him/her. Secondly, in the perpetrator’s mind, Haleigh is the only real “bargaining chip” he/she has for any chance of getting out of this. In his/her mind, he/she is angling for a deal, “...if I return the child, you won’t prosecute me…” (Of course, we all know this will never happen—but in their panicked state, that is the fractured perception of the kidnapper(s).)

This is also why 3rd party searches have been called off by the authorities. They didn’t want anyone stumbling onto the kidnappers/child and precipitating an incident that would further put the child at risk and/or they don’t want to incur any further costs of unnecessary search activities. As for “strange” behavior by parties close to the situation (Ron/Misty’s marriage, Antics of various private investigators, etc.), they are working with authorities to help maintain a smokescreen of impertinence to help buy time for Haleigh to be found.

In my gut, I don’t feel the little girl is dead yet. I just don’t have the feeling that she is deceased. That could very easily change though, depending on what authorities say/do.

I may be completely off the track as I have probably not taken into account every detail that has been brought to light about the case. This is based simply on my overall "feel" and observation of the goings on in this case. Some generalities have been made in the interest of brevity and if necessary, I will attempt to explain further.

:Welcome-12-june:

And hope you are right about Haleigh. I believe she may be alive as well and agree on some of the things you brought up. Whoever is involved with Haleigh's disappearance probably didn't expect this case to go nationwide as it has and he/she/they have some connection with the family in some way. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

As for “strange” behavior by parties close to the situation (Ron/Misty’s marriage, Antics of various private investigators, etc.), they are working with authorities to help maintain a smokescreen of impertinence to help buy time for Haleigh to be found.

I hope your gut feeling is right and she's alive and well somewhere.

What do you mean about the smokescreen of impertinence? What is its intended effect on the abductors?

 

[osomatta]

I hope your gut feeling is right and she's alive and well somewhere.

What do you mean about the smokescreen of impertinence? What is its intended effect on the abductors?

If I am understanding what you say, this case is seemingly confounded by the lack of veracity of the players involved to reveal their drug supply contacts (any other suggestions as to what a theoretical transgression could be in this case?). There are many reasons for each of them to limit information--it all has to do with the custody issue and who is (are) the better parents? And meanwhile a child's well-being and life hang in the balance.

Donjeta, I get the feeling that a lot of the "antics" we've seen (by Ron, Misty, Crystal, et al) and the non-committal comments by the authorities are a smokescreen--intended to buy time for them (authorities) to locate and recover the child safely. By making statements to the effect that they have no idea who is behind the abduction, LE hopes to give (the abductor(s)) a false sense of security--or at least lessen the threat level a bit, so as to prevent them from panicking and doing something rash. I would expect that parties close to the investigation (Ron, Misty, Crystal, for e.g.) have been asked to go along with the program--even if it means they get beat up by public opinion or the press. After all, the first priority here is to retrieve the child safely--I would think all would immediately go along with the deal.

Concentric, I believe the "lack of veracity" by the players in this case is neither here nor there right now. Likewise, the whole custody issue and debate about one parent's fitness (to have custody) over the other parent is also (almost) irrelevant at the moment. That can all be hashed out later, after Haleigh has been returned. The fact that it is even brought up publicly is in such bad taste (or seemingly in bad taste), that I kind of suspect that even that is merely a distraction--to keep the abductors thinking that everyone is focused on the legal issues of custody, etc.

Overall, it seems to me that much of the behavior of Ron, Misty and Crystal and that of some peripheral players (lawyers, PI's, etc.) is so impertinent and arguably "bad form" (even considering the demographic of the community), that it must be some kind of diversion. The only reason to create such a diversion would be to buy time so that Haleigh can be located and rescued.

I suspect that the authorities have a good idea of who has her, but are not in a position to either locate the abductors or the child. One might ask, "Why not force the issue and confront the suspect directly and forcefully?" The reason is that Haleigh is still alive--and to do that would probably jeopardize her safety.

Again, I might be completely full of it--but that's my gut feeling about what's happening. BTW, TYVM for the greeting KMT51!

 

[kolokolo]

Aloha Osomatta

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Partial from Osomatta theory:


I suspect that the authorities have a good idea who has Haleigh, but NOT where he/she is and where Haleigh is being kept. Hence, the lack of information forthcoming by said authorities&#8212;they are stalling for time while the Fibbies (and everyone else) are frantically trying to figure out where the child is and retrieve her before the kidnapper really panics and does something stupid (like kill her). That&#8217;s why in the press conference, the Sheriff asks for patience and says things like, &#8220;...everyone is a suspect&#8230;&#8221; These non-committal comments are a smokescreen to buy time to locate and retrieve the child safely and to not provoke the abductor(s) into doing something rash.

I have to agree with you on the tactics of LE. I dont believe LE is flirting with the public/community, I believe they are being very cautious as to what they say.
I believe LE is very happy to have the public/community hash out things such as custody, wedding, fair ... etc it takes our eyes off what they LE is really investigating.
Does anyone really know who they are investigating? NO
Does anyone really know where they are investigating? NO
I dont believe any of the players involved can outwit the brightest minds ....JMHO
The statement in the last presser asking for the community to have Patience, maybe Im reading too much into that ... but I believe LE has information about lil Haleigh or took her ... LE maybe trying to figure out her location and that in itself cant be easy.
Ive stated from the beginning that I thought this was a "crime for profit," and I still believe that. LE hasnt changed lil Haleigh status from Missing to anything other, which leads me to believe LE is still working the Missing Status.

Mahalo Osomatta and Welcome.

 

[Pope Jean]

I am really very new to this board, and to sleuthing in general, so please forgive me if I do something wrong. I have been trying for days and days to keep up with the posts... so I am sorry if this is something someone else has already brought up and its been shot down. I was thinking of this last night, and when I thought of this theory, I got the kind of chills down my spine that stopped me cold.

There are so many things about this case that are confusing, so many inconsistencies, not only from RC and MC, but it seems also others that are involved - The 2am sighting at the store of RC by a co-worker, the radio call tapes that state Haleigh was seen 1.5 hours before 3:30am (or something to that effect) when all we hear from the news is that she was last seen at 10pm (or some other time?) the night before. It seems like the only thing consistent with this case is the inconsistencies.

So that got me thinking about WHY that would be. Here is what I came up with. Now last night, I was a bit tipsy (lol) when I thought this up, so I am not sure like I said if this is something that was already brought to light, or if there are holes in this theory that have been proven to make it unrealistic. If there are holes, please do tell me where they are, so that I can reformulate

What I came up with last night:

Motive - Could be $$. Could be custody. This part I am really not sure of.

(I also want to add, I feel so bad for coming up with this theory, because it hurts me to say that I really think RC had something to do with this. I am not on any sides, but.. I hate to think that of anyone at all).

So, RC for some motive or reason wants to get 'rid' of Haleigh. It could have been he wanted to hide her away and use the situation to get the $$ he needed, or it could be that he was having some other problems with Haleigh and get fed up. Now, from looking at the photos, he seems to really love this child and she seemed very happy. So I don't get the feeling that any death was intentional if it did happen.

Anyway, in my theory, he and an accomplice, figure out a way to drug MC. She is into drugs anyway, so I don't think this would be too hard. I do think that an accomplice was necessary though, and I think that perhaps this accomplice stopped by earlier in the evening and somehow drugged MC. To me, this completely explains her inconsistencies - She woke up groggy at around 3am, maybe she woke up to a noise of someone taking Haleigh, and she is inconsistent because she really does not remember what happened. It is coming back, but slowly. Which is why she looks at RC when asked a question and then replies "I don't know". She really does not know. And RC is making her keep quiet about being drugged.

So, RC leaves work early, and is seen at a store/gas station 1 hour before he should be getting home. His accomplice is already taking care of business with Haleigh, and RC is seen and has an alibi.

The accomplice grabs Haleigh, MC wakes up hearing a noise, groggy, ect, she is so groggy and out of it that she does not 'get' that she has to call 911. She calls RC, and he's right there - he is home before she knows it because he left work early. He instructs her to call 911 and then proceeds to yell at her, talking about how she let his daughter get stolen, ect, in order to set up that he didn't know anything about it, and put the blame on MC.

This also explains why he married MC and made the comment to Cobra that "you keep your enemies close". I don't think RC ever wanted to marry MC. Notice on the video of the court house, she is giddy and excited and he walks right by here, can't even smile. He does not want to marry MC, but he HAS to because otherwise she is going to spill about being drugged and not really understanding what happened.

Now that is as far as I got with this theory. I am not even sure if Haleigh would still be alive, or killed. I think that she was killed, almost by accident (in my mind that is how it makes sense). The sheet with blood/rust makes me think that. She was accidentally killed somehow, and the sheet was tossed to either throw off the investigation, or because it was evidence and they wanted to get rid of it.

Since there has been literally no news lately, I cannot go further with this theory. I hate typing all of this too. It hurts my heart. I pray that little Haleigh is found safe, and sound, and that I am dead wrong.

Thanks for giving me a chance to put this out there. I want to contribute to this community so badly - you guys are all awesome. I would love to know how to search to find the things you guys find! You're amazing. I am so glad that I found Websleuths and decided to join here.

Pope Jean

 

[lil momma]

i have given a lot of thought as to what i think happened. I want to start off by saying i think Ron has a lot more to do with this than he is leading anyone to believe. I think MC had someone in the house, this unknown male was getting busy with MC on the couch (bouncing couch, JR statement) and before the unknown male left, he unlocked the back door. i think there may have been a drug debt or maybe MC was bardering sex for drugs or even money. (JMO) the reason i think RC knows is b/c of the debt or the bardering, how else would she get the money to pay for the drugs? (she doesn't work, or atleast i haven't heard anything about her working) once MC was heavily drugged(which explains why she can't remember the timeline) the unknown male came back into the house and took HC. which is why there is no forced entry. I think the reason RC married MC is b/c of the law that states the proscution can't use one spouse against another, so in that way MC is protected and so is RC. (unless one of them confess, i guess, not too sure on quoting laws, but it is something along those lines) the other thing that gets me is that there seems that there is no urgency from MC or RC to find her. i don't get it, i would be searching day and night, sleepless, until i found something, anything. i hope she is found soon and safe!!!!

 

[Pope Jean]

i have given a lot of thought as to what i think happened. I want to start off by saying i think Ron has a lot more to do with this than he is leading anyone to believe. I think MC had someone in the house, this unknown male was getting busy with MC on the couch (bouncing couch, JR statement) and before the unknown male left, he unlocked the back door. i think there may have been a drug debt or maybe MC was bardering sex for drugs or even money. (JMO) the reason i think RC knows is b/c of the debt or the bardering, how else would she get the money to pay for the drugs? (she doesn't work, or atleast i haven't heard anything about her working) once MC was heavily drugged(which explains why she can't remember the timeline) the unknown male came back into the house and took HC. which is why there is no forced entry. I think the reason RC married MC is b/c of the law that states the proscution can't use one spouse against another, so in that way MC is protected and so is RC. (unless one of them confess, i guess, not too sure on quoting laws, but it is something along those lines) the other thing that gets me is that there seems that there is no urgency from MC or RC to find her. i don't get it, i would be searching day and night, sleepless, until i found something, anything. i hope she is found soon and safe!!!!

This sounds close to my theory, in fact it actually fills in some of the holes - how she got drugged (someone she was trading sex for whatever for), the absence of urgency in finding her. One thing I did find out was that a crime against a child is not covered in the spousal privilege... so unless they just didn't know that, and thought that they were saving themselves from having to testify against each other, it would not work for them.

Great thoughts... :clap::clap::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Welcome Pope Jean and thanks for sharing your ideas here! There are parts of your theory which ring VERY true as in the point from which Ron's spotted, arrives the minute Misty calls him, the 911 call, etc. What *I* can't figure out is what it is that motivated Ron to marry Misty or if I'm even convinced that's anything more than an effort by him to normalize everything re children's homelife, avoid charges and maintain custody of Junior. If he did drug Misty eg, she likely wouldn't know who'd done that, nor could she testify concerning that, nor would he need to indenture her to himself. What I mean is, that's not enough. He must fear Misty could reveal something much larger... and either one or more of the crimes are unrelated to child Haleigh, or he wasn't aware spousal privilege wouldn't apply to such crime/s. Because if he had nothing whatsoever to do w Haleigh's disappearance, what other reason could there be for him to marry this girl, right?

On the other hand, if he were involved (w/out Misty's knowledge) it's entirely plausible things did not go quite according to plan... Maybe it started out he knew Misty was leaving--and he either went home (on break or w/e) to check on her, or intended to teach her a lesson by taking Haleigh. Maybe he figures Misty has just stepped out for a minute (if door left unlocked eg) or assumes she will discover Haleigh missing sooner--while he's still back at work w an alibi eg. Maybe he does hope she'll call 911 first (and not him), long before he is due home, in order to distance himself from the crime. Maybe something happens when he goes home to do an impromptu "check" on Misty, finding the kids alone and losing his temper over bedwetting or w/e. Maybe Misty doesn't discover Haleigh's gone until close to 2:30 am, when woman is heard yelling. And maybe Misty waits as long as she possibly can before alerting Ron... while he waits as long as he possibly can before he's normally returning from work. Maybe it's Misty who isn't in on what actually happens to Haleigh but just knows she left the kids so can't let dad find out. Lots of maybe's, I know. Just thinking aloud here. JMO
arrot:

 

[Pope Jean]

Welcome Pope Jean and thanks for sharing your ideas here! There are parts of your theory which ring VERY true as in the point from which Ron's spotted, arrives the minute Misty calls him, the 911 call, etc. What *I* can't figure out is what it is that motivated Ron to marry Misty or if I'm even convinced that's anything more than an effort by him to normalize everything re children's homelife, avoid charges and maintain custody of Junior. If he did drug Misty eg, she likely wouldn't know who'd done that, nor could she testify concerning that, nor would he need to indenture her to himself. What I mean is, that's not enough. He must fear Misty could reveal something much larger... and either one or more of the crimes are unrelated to child Haleigh, or he wasn't aware spousal privilege wouldn't apply to such crime/s. Because if he had nothing whatsoever to do w Haleigh's disappearance, what other reason could there be for him to marry this girl, right?

On the other hand, if he were involved (w/out Misty's knowledge) it's entirely plausible things did not go quite according to plan... Maybe it started out he knew Misty was leaving--and he either went home (on break or w/e) to check on her, or intended to teach her a lesson by taking Haleigh. Maybe he figures Misty has just stepped out for a minute (if door left unlocked eg) or assumes she will discover Haleigh missing sooner--while he's still back at work w an alibi eg. Maybe he does hope she'll call 911 first (and not him), long before he is due home, in order to distance himself from the crime. Maybe something happens when he goes home to do an impromptu "check" on Misty, finding the kids alone and losing his temper over bedwetting or w/e. Maybe Misty doesn't discover Haleigh's gone until close to 2:30 am, when woman is heard yelling. And maybe Misty waits as long as she possibly can before alerting Ron... while he waits as long as he possibly can before he's normally returning from work. Maybe it's Misty who isn't in on what actually happens to Haleigh but just knows she left the kids so can't let dad find out. Lots of maybe's, I know. Just thinking aloud here. JMO
arrot:

Kiki, thank you so much for the welcome! I respectfully bolded parts of your post that made me think more

The marriage thing. Could it have been something like RC saying "If you help me with this, I'll marry you" or something?

I have to admit, until last night, I really in my own mind pinned it all on MC. But then I started to think about what a child she really is, and I do not mean that in a bad way, I mean, I was 17 and I had a very, very hard childhood, and a lot of what is reported to have happened to MC, I also went through (sexual abuse, parented, dating much older men when I was in my teens) so in a way I can sort of see a lot of what she's doing or not doing as being 17, a kid with a troubled home, past, family life, ect. It almost is starting to feel to me that she is being used. As a scapegoat, or she was talked into part of it, something like that. Convinced that if she did this one thing she would get what she wanted (marriage, baby, whatever).

The second part that I bolded above also kinda rings true to me. RC seems to have a nasty temper - now I have not seen him lose his temper, but I did listen to that interview with Cobra, and I did hear the profanities, and I recall the 911 tape where he was calling MC a b!tch, and that leads me to think this man has some anger management problems. This does not mean I think he was abusive to the kids though.. a lot of men will beat their wife or g/f and treat their kids like gold (also from experience *sigh*). And when he talked about MC's relationship with Greg, he called him the N word, but then later said that he had 'black' friends. So in his case, I don't think the N word was pure ignorance (like when my grandma uses it *sigh*), it seemed to be a way to say it mean. So I can totally see him checking in on MC, especially with the 3 day bender happening and him knowing she was sleeping with Greg (can I use his first name? Or initials for him too? please feel free to edit), and losing control of the situation in some way shape or form.

I keep trying to figure out the motive though. WHY Haleigh? Why not JR? What was it about Haleigh that it had to be her?

The motives I come up with are:
Sexual (RSO or just SO type thing - which means RC isn't involved and this does not match my theory!)
Money - RC or MC could have traded the little girl, or I hate to say traded "use" of her, for cash for any number of things, rent, food, drugs... and that could have led to an accidental death.
Custody battle - But wow, this is a huge deal for a custody thing isn't it? That one does not make as much sense to me.
Getting back at CS - For??? I don't know. Child Support arears? (sp). $4k seems paltry considering a childs life...

I am praying that some news breaks soon. This is killing me. I pray that this little girl be brought home and justice be done to the fullest extent for whoever did this to her.

Thanks so much for the reply, and the 'verbal sparring' - not sure if I am saying that right, basically your post helped me see more and I appreciate that!

 

[Pope Jean]

...What I mean is, that's not enough. He must fear Misty could reveal something much larger... and either one or more of the crimes are unrelated to child Haleigh, or he wasn't aware spousal privilege wouldn't apply to such crime/s. Because if he had nothing whatsoever to do w Haleigh's disappearance, what other reason could there be for him to marry this girl, right? ...


arrot:

Sorry, I forgot something. I hope I snipped correctly .

I did a little experiment a few weeks ago, when I found out that RC and MC were getting married. I asked several people hypothetically this question: "If a crime is committed involving two single people, and after the crime, they get married, does spousal privilege apply?"

Mostly the answer I got was "Yes". At the time, I knew it didn't apply, but I wanted to see what people in general thought.

So that led me to wonder, did RC know that Spousal Privilege would not apply? Then I thought someone must have told him - but he didn't lawyer up until after the marriage right? So maybe he really didn't know? I have seen a ton of comments (not just here) that bring up the spousal thing, so its MHO that not everyone realizes what the limits on that are.

Curious!! :waitasec:

 

[Issi]

Sorry, I forgot something. I hope I snipped correctly .

I did a little experiment a few weeks ago, when I found out that RC and MC were getting married. I asked several people hypothetically this question: "If a crime is committed involving two single people, and after the crime, they get married, does spousal privilege apply?"

Mostly the answer I got was "Yes". At the time, I knew it didn't apply, but I wanted to see what people in general thought.

So that led me to wonder, did RC know that Spousal Privilege would not apply? Then I thought someone must have told him - but he didn't lawyer up until after the marriage right? So maybe he really didn't know? I have seen a ton of comments (not just here) that bring up the spousal thing, so its MHO that not everyone realizes what the limits on that are.

Curious!! :waitasec:

This was my theory as well. I've been going on the guess that someone gave RC some really really bad advice as far as spousal privilege goes.

RC is doubly screwed in this respect. 1. He got married ex post facto, and 2. The crime in question involves a child.

Both nullify any benefit.

 

[titanfan62702]

Sorry, I forgot something. I hope I snipped correctly .

I did a little experiment a few weeks ago, when I found out that RC and MC were getting married. I asked several people hypothetically this question: "If a crime is committed involving two single people, and after the crime, they get married, does spousal privilege apply?"

Mostly the answer I got was "Yes". At the time, I knew it didn't apply, but I wanted to see what people in general thought.

So that led me to wonder, did RC know that Spousal Privilege would not apply? Then I thought someone must have told him - but he didn't lawyer up until after the marriage right? So maybe he really didn't know? I have seen a ton of comments (not just here) that bring up the spousal thing, so its MHO that not everyone realizes what the limits on that are.

Curious!! :waitasec:

If he didn't know Spousal Priviledge didn't apply when he married, he found out soon after.

I believe it was on NG that a caller made the comment and he denied that had anything to do with it.

 

[lil momma]

Thanks Pope Jean! your post gave me insight as well. Still new to this posting opinions.

there are so many things that could have happened! i saw something the other day when i was reading a post somewhere, please let me know if anyone has heard the same.

RC was seen at a store about an hour prior to the scheduled time he is suppose to get off from work, the night HC went missing.