Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[Trino]

H could have been hidden just as well as any other scenario. Has anything this extended family done really made sense? Anything goes. Nothing should surprise anyone who's been following the case.

 

[titanfan62702]

bolded by me.

maybe one of MC & RC's mothers, maybe CS was threating custody before the abduction, they figure as long as they don't have HC then CS can't gain custody of the her...hey, it is a thought, sure wouldn't be the first time..and HC grandmother (RC mom) could have sent her off somewhere for a while, then MC & RC move out of Fl ( it hurts too much to live there, that would be the excuse for them to move) then end up with HC in another state. ok, way out there, didn't even consider JR.... anything is possible.

That's not that farfetched. They might think RC would be more likely to keep his son. There also might be a special bond between TN and Haleigh that isn't there with JR. I have grandchildren the same ages. The older one has some issues and while I love both of them to no end, there is still a special bond with the older one partially created because he & his parents lived with me for over a year.

 

[kant]

I've enjoyed reading all the theories - very thoughtful and interesting posts. I'll add my quick two-cents after all these weeks. I believe this is an inside job, that Misti and Ron are fully involved. Most likely a relative or close associate (or several) are conspiring together.

The main reason I believe this is simply because: the police have not implored the local public to be vigilant of a dangerous mysterious child predator in their area.

If a complete stranger had just appeared in the middle of the night in this tiny area, broken into a home and stolen a child from their bed, I'd image the police would be howling for people to lock their doors, arm themselves, be on the look-out for this mysterious stranger. There would be security in the trailer park, at the local school, anywhere children would gather. This just hasn't happened.

I'm not sure whether or not Haleigh is still alive. If she is, then where the heck is she? Children have to eat, get some sort of fresh air, move around. They have to be seen at some point, even if just for a quick moment. After all this time, she'd be wondering where mom and dad are, why she isn't going home soon. She'd be getting anxious and acting out.

It makes more likely sense that she is no longer alive and her body may never be found. I think R&M believe they've pulled off the perfect crime, but it will catch up with them some day.

Excellent post and not only are the things you mentioned great points, but the idea of someone secreting her away as a hoax or something or some selfish or monetary gain... I wish.......

I mean as far as being Haleigh seen at some point, yes... and especially since she requires more medical attention than the average kid.

And she's old enough to talk and question things, but not old enough to understand the whys of some convoluted secret plan.... and keep it straight... and remember not to answer to her own name.... I just dont see it happening. Also whoever has supposedly secreted her, do they plan to never see her again? or let her EVER see her family again?

jus sayin

MOO

 

[TxLady2]

Most work places have time clocks where the employees run thier time card through the clock and it stamps the time. They do this when they come to work...when they take a dinner break...and when they leave for the night or day. You really can't cheat on those clocks and that is the purpose of companys having them.

Yep, you can cheat on them... it's been done. Just have a trusted co-worker to punch the clock for you. People do it all the time.
My husband has worked for some pretty big companies. They sign in on the computer at some places. Other companies just have time sheets the employees sign. No matter what system is put in place, somebody's going to find a way to beat the system.

 

[TxLady2]

Well I can say if it were me, I'd use the bathroom furthest from where folks were sleeping too, but, um, I have my reasons for that... I'll leave that there.

The fact that she used a different bathroom does not really bug me much. Maybe she didn't want to wake them, or she liked the privacy of the other bathroom - remember she is a 17 year old girl. So that fact alone never stuck with me as being weird, IMO.

However, what you said about noticing the bed was empty when she got up, now that gets me. I agree with you, even in my most out of it sleep state, I notice when things are not right. I dunno how to say that. I don't have children, but if I notice my dog is not in his kennel or on our bed, I'm sure I would notice if my child was missing.

And like you said, how did she sleep through someone coming into the room, bending down to the floor like that, grabbing Haleigh, even if she stayed asleep the entire time - I dunno, I like to think I'd wake up. But if my husband came in at 3am each morning, maybe I wouldn't, you know?

Too friggen confusing! :bang::bang:

Is it a confirmed fact that she started to go to the other bathroom? All I've heard her say is that she got up to go to the bathroom and noticed the light on, never made it to the bathroom. I think it was speculation that she was going to use the other one, because of seeing light on. But Ron said that the house is normally dark, and you can see the light shining from the bedroom.

The thing that bothers me so much is that she says she got up, noticed the light, went to check, noticed the door wide open, ran to the bedroom to get her cell phone to call Ron and THEN.... she noticed Haleigh missing. That puzzles me because no matter which side of the bed she was on, once she woke up she should have noticed she wasn't there as soon as she got out of bed!!

 

[PinkyPoo]

Oh nevermind, I'm in the wrong thread! LOL

 

[Bobbisangel]

Is it a confirmed fact that she started to go to the other bathroom? All I've heard her say is that she got up to go to the bathroom and noticed the light on, never made it to the bathroom. I think it was speculation that she was going to use the other one, because of seeing light on. But Ron said that the house is normally dark, and you can see the light shining from the bedroom.

The thing that bothers me so much is that she says she got up, noticed the light, went to check, noticed the door wide open, ran to the bedroom to get her cell phone to call Ron and THEN.... she noticed Haleigh missing. That puzzles me because no matter which side of the bed she was on, once she woke up she should have noticed she wasn't there as soon as she got out of bed!!

She wouldn't have noticed if she was half asleep and heading to the bathroom. Most people get out of bed after being in a deep sleep and they don't notice anything around them until they wake up a little. I don't know anyone who gets up from a deep sleep and is wide awake.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I feel that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's "disappearance" - I also think that Ronald knew (or figured it out shortly after), confronted Misty, Misty gave it up and in addition she pointed out the dilemma that he would face if he turned on her/turned her in;
1 Statutory Rape Charges.
2. Supplying a minor with alcohol/illegal drugs.
3. Reporting his use of drugs and involvement in dealing/selling; *most especially to underage kids in the community
4. Reporting to DCF the regular use of disciplinary measures outside of the perimeters that DCF specified, "spanking on the behind."

So now Ron and Misty are in a "if you tell then I'll tell" relationship. If one of them talks, they both lose, big time. If both of them shut their mouths (and of course get married), Ron at least has a chance of keeping Butterbean. Haleighbug and Butterbean are merely possessions to Ronald, like a badge worn on a sleeve - not, imo, healthy parental love. (Crystal hasn't been any better BUT Haleigh wasn't at Crystal's home when she disappeared therefore I'm sticking to the known facts in this case rather than inserting unlikely scenerios, albeit creative)
The kids have become an extension of the conflict between Ron and Crystal. Custody is simply Ronald's way of outwardly proving his win with the added benefit of repeatedly stroking his extremely "adolescent" ego everytime he relives it. If RC truly loved and cared about his children he would not have sexual relations with underage girls, he certainly wouldn't move one into the home that he shares with his children. A loving caring father (parent) does not leave their child(ren) in the care of a 16 year-old that is known to use drugs and is known to hang out with other individuals that use drugs and/or are questionable characters for some other reasons.
The week before Ron left Haleighbug and Butterbean with Misty that night, Misty had been out on a bender...how many red flags, alarms, whistles, bells and horns does a parent need in order to be alerted to the real possibility that your child(ren) are at risk and/or in danger??? Ron's priority was not his child(ren) - Ron is consumed with Ron, getting laid by underage girls, getting high, keeping up his tuff guy/gangsta image and his hatred of/for Crystal. In my opinion, for Ron, the court's awarding of Haleigh and Jr was like a night at the carnival with his mother (TN) - he plays and wins the game because Mommy wanted the prize and the prize, in this case, was Haleigh and Jr.
For parents like RC, all the red flags, alarms, whistles, bells and horns in the whole world wouldn't change a thing because they're not looking for or listening to them. They're too busy getting their "fill" somewhere from someone or something. I think Misty gave Haleigh "something" to put her to sleep so that she could slip out of the house that night but when she returned Haleigh wasn't breathing - thus the reason for the urine, possibly other body fluids (vomit, feces) on her blanket and the need to wash it. Do I think that RC's bares some responsibility? You bet your azz I do! IMO He ignored the obvious and made choices that served only himself, certainly not his children and if this had happened on Crystal's watch (her home), I'd be looking at them, but it didn't - IT IS WHAT IT IS!
I think that LE needs to take some lessons from the Sandra Cantu case. Thank god they were willing to look outside of the "RSO theory" and were actually able to recognize the direction that the evidence was pointing even though it didn't fit the typical profile or scenerio. I have now reached the point in this case where I am completely frustrated with LE. Although LE has never been overly vocal in this case, IMO, they began actively backing away right after the "GR" visit to camp Ronald. GR woke and provoked Mama bear (TN) when he asked baby bear (RC) if he ate the pourage - since then LE has gone from saying very little to saying nothing...SILENCE.

I get the distinct feeling that someone(s) wants the public to simply forget about it and move on to somebody else, somewhere else, anyone else but Haleigh C, and anywhere else but Satsuma...
JMOHO

 

[MissJames]

One red flag for me is that no trace of Haleigh has been found.When someone outside of the family abducts a child very little time goes by before family members report a child missing.When the reporters are somehow involved themselves they have time to cover up ,then make a report.I know there are exceptions and I really have no idea what happened.It's just another red flag.

 

[TxLady2]

She wouldn't have noticed if she was half asleep and heading to the bathroom. Most people get out of bed after being in a deep sleep and they don't notice anything around them until they wake up a little. I don't know anyone who gets up from a deep sleep and is wide awake.

Ok, so she wasn't wide awake when she got out of bed to go to the bathroom, but she was awake enough to notice the light from the kitchen on, and the back door open, and awake enough to go get her phone to call Ron, BEFORE she noticed Haleigh gone? Got it.
Considering she's not the mother, I can halfway understand that. Haleigh's bed was right inside the door, so was the big bed. If the light was shining into the bedroom, and she was going to the other bathroom, she should have noticed her not there as soon as she got up before she noticed all the other stuff. I'm thinking she might have headed to the master bath and did not look that way, but then she said she never made it to the bathroom. And once she said she got up to get a drink of water, which is it?

 

[TxLady2]

I feel that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's "disappearance" - I also think that Ronald knew (or figured it out shortly after), confronted Misty, Misty gave it up and in addition she pointed out the dilemma that he would face if he turned on her/turned her in;
1 Statutory Rape Charges.
2. Supplying a minor with alcohol/illegal drugs.
3. Reporting his use of drugs and involvement in dealing/selling; *most especially to underage kids in the community
4. Reporting to DCF the regular use of disciplinary measures outside of the perimeters that DCF specified, "spanking on the behind."

So now Ron and Misty are in a "if you tell then I'll tell" relationship. If one of them talks, they both lose, big time. If both of them shut their mouths (and of course get married), Ron at least has a chance of keeping Butterbean. Haleighbug and Butterbean are merely possessions to Ronald, like a badge worn on a sleeve - not, imo, healthy parental love. (Crystal hasn't been any better BUT Haleigh wasn't at Crystal's home when she disappeared therefore I'm sticking to the known facts in this case rather than inserting unlikely scenerios, albeit creative)
The kids have become an extension of the conflict between Ron and Crystal. Custody is simply Ronald's way of outwardly proving his win with the added benefit of repeatedly stroking his extremely "adolescent" ego everytime he relives it. If RC truly loved and cared about his children he would not have sexual relations with underage girls, he certainly wouldn't move one into the home that he shares with his children. A loving caring father (parent) does not leave their child(ren) in the care of a 16 year-old that is known to use drugs and is known to hang out with other individuals that use drugs and/or are questionable characters for some other reasons.
The week before Ron left Haleighbug and Butterbean with Misty that night, Misty had been out on a bender...how many red flags, alarms, whistles, bells and horns does a parent need in order to be alerted to the real possibility that your child(ren) are at risk and/or in danger??? Ron's priority was not his child(ren) - Ron is consumed with Ron, getting laid by underage girls, getting high, keeping up his tuff guy/gangsta image and his hatred of/for Crystal. In my opinion, for Ron, the court's awarding of Haleigh and Jr was like a night at the carnival with his mother (TN) - he plays and wins the game because Mommy wanted the prize and the prize, in this case, was Haleigh and Jr.
For parents like RC, all the red flags, alarms, whistles, bells and horns in the whole world wouldn't change a thing because they're not looking for or listening to them. They're too busy getting their "fill" somewhere from someone or something. I think Misty gave Haleigh "something" to put her to sleep so that she could slip out of the house that night but when she returned Haleigh wasn't breathing - thus the reason for the urine, possibly other body fluids (vomit, feces) on her blanket and the need to wash it. Do I think that RC's bares some responsibility? You bet your azz I do! IMO He ignored the obvious and made choices that served only himself, certainly not his children and if this had happened on Crystal's watch (her home), I'd be looking at them, but it didn't - IT IS WHAT IT IS!
I think that LE needs to take some lessons from the Sandra Cantu case. Thank god they were willing to look outside of the "RSO theory" and were actually able to recognize the direction that the evidence was pointing even though it didn't fit the typical profile or scenerio. I have now reached the point in this case where I am completely frustrated with LE. Although LE has never been overly vocal in this case, IMO, they began actively backing away right after the "GR" visit to camp Ronald. GR woke and provoked Mama bear (TN) when he asked baby bear (RC) if he ate the pourage - since then LE has gone from saying very little to saying nothing...SILENCE.

I get the distinct feeling that someone(s) wants the public to simply forget about it and move on to somebody else, somewhere else, anyone else but Haleigh C, and anywhere else but Satsuma...
JMOHO

I agree with most of what you said except for one thing: I don't believe Ron hates Crystal... quite the opposite, I think there are still feelings between them, which is natural because of the two children they had together. I think getting custody of them was partly because it was a way to get her to come back... which she said she did a couple of times, and then left because he continued to abuse her. I'm sure he loves his kids, but he is blind to the fact that their mother loves them as much if not more than he does.
I also agree that someone there wants this swept under the rug... they might think if enough time passes, the public will forget, and Haleigh can come home and all will be will. If Ron is responsible, then he is ignoring the fact that Crystal won't give up, she will keep looking, and if she ends up with Jr. he is going to be paying HER support. If Crystal is responsible, then she stands to lose Jr. and Chloe too, because she would be in jail.
I wish to God that one or the other scenarios is true, and Haleigh is alive and well, but I really don't have much hope of that. My heart goes out to ALL the family on both sides, these little ones do not deserve to be hurt, OR dead.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Is it a confirmed fact that she started to go to the other bathroom? All I've heard her say is that she got up to go to the bathroom and noticed the light on, never made it to the bathroom. I think it was speculation that she was going to use the other one, because of seeing light on. But Ron said that the house is normally dark, and you can see the light shining from the bedroom.

The thing that bothers me so much is that she says she got up, noticed the light, went to check, noticed the door wide open, ran to the bedroom to get her cell phone to call Ron and THEN.... she noticed Haleigh missing. That puzzles me because no matter which side of the bed she was on, once she woke up she should have noticed she wasn't there as soon as she got out of bed!!

This strikes me as odd also. Mostly because if the door being ajar was the only thing she'd noticed unusual, why was she racing for her phone...? I don't think this alone would be sufficient cause for alarm if all else is normal. Why was she making the call at this point. Just close the door and go back to bed. Not adding up. Not in the order she told it anyway. That time. JMO
arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

I am starting to focus on what the underlying reason was for Ron wanting to vacate the home they were living in so hurriedly. I'll say only that I think it was more than simply happy memories which drove him away. Could there be another reason, ie his landlord, other menacing associates whom he personally knows are still in the area? Or perhaps unhappy memories? Many scenarios are running through my mind... anyone else care to share their thoughts on possible reasons for this other than provided already by Ron? JMO

arrot:

 

[kikid]

I am starting to focus on what the underlying reason was for Ron wanting to vacate the home they were living in so hurriedly. I'll say only that I think it was more than simply happy memories which drove him away. Could there be another reason, ie his landlord, other menacing associates whom he personally knows are still in the area? Or perhaps unhappy memories? Many scenarios are running through my mind... anyone else care to share their thoughts on possible reasons for this other than provided already by Ron? JMO

arrot:

yes, I don't think I could leave the last place I saw my child if they were abducted!

as I recall (and I don't have a link) it wasn't JUST the trailer in general Ron couldn't bear, but specifically the master bedroom. I recall a report stating he couldn't even go in that room again.

I suspect it is because something bad happened there, and I don't mean someone picked his live daughter up out of her bed and carried her away!! But, for him to be so emotionally distraught about going into that room, I'd think he'd have to have some memories (mental/flashback visuals) to make it so difficult. Meaning he saw whatever happened in that room.

jmoo of course

 

[balaney]

I have been saying Misti was the reason Haleigh is missing and sticking to it - even to the point where I felt she hurt her. Then I had the weirdest, unexpected dream that makes me think again about Misti.

I dreamed Haleigh was in bed and choked on something - first I saw a dice then I saw a balloon. It got lodged in her throat. Misti was not in the room. When Misti checked on Haleigh before going to bed, Haleigh was dead. Misti could not call the police because she was already dead and the house had drugs and stolen stuff. There was a gun and electonics and stuff in the master bedroom she knew she had to get rid of. She covered Haleigh with a sheet - just like she said she did and took the blanket to wash (Haleigh had peed). She wrapped up a bunch of the drugs/stolen stuff and put it in the laundry room. She ran over to get the van, propped the back door open and drove off with Haleigh and the stolen stuff and the drugs. I saw the van leaving into the night but did no recall any more of the dream. Just Misti driving away and the door was still open.

Maybe Misty did not intentionally harm Haleigh - maybe there was an accident and since she was young and probably stoned, she did what she thought would protect her and Ron. Ron goes along with it since he had the drugs and stolen items in the house and if the police found out, he would go to jail AND lose his son.

 

[kikid]

I agree with most of what you said except for one thing: I don't believe Ron hates Crystal... quite the opposite, I think there are still feelings between them, which is natural because of the two children they had together. I think getting custody of them was partly because it was a way to get her to come back... which she said she did a couple of times, and then left because he continued to abuse her. I'm sure he loves his kids, but he is blind to the fact that their mother loves them as much if not more than he does.
I also agree that someone there wants this swept under the rug... they might think if enough time passes, the public will forget, and Haleigh can come home and all will be will. If Ron is responsible, then he is ignoring the fact that Crystal won't give up, she will keep looking, and if she ends up with Jr. he is going to be paying HER support. If Crystal is responsible, then she stands to lose Jr. and Chloe too, because she would be in jail.
I wish to God that one or the other scenarios is true, and Haleigh is alive and well, but I really don't have much hope of that. My heart goes out to ALL the family on both sides, these little ones do not deserve to be hurt, OR dead.

I actually believe the whole custody thing was at TN's instigation. Crystal left and took TN's two babies who I'm sure she had been caring for and supporting up until that time. I think she (TN) instigated it, and Ron went along to "Pay back" Crystal for leaving him. I don't think this was ever about the children.

I think it was a manipulative move on Ron's part - just as the story of kicking Misty out and not letting her take her clothes. He likes control (classic abusive personality) because he feels powerless with women.

 

[lonetraveler]

OT, but thought I would let you know. US Captain rescued unharmed, three pirates dead, one taken into custody.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I feel that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's "disappearance" - I also think that Ronald knew (or figured it out shortly after), confronted Misty, Misty gave it up and in addition she pointed out the dilemma that he would face if he turned on her/turned her in;
1 Statutory Rape Charges.
2. Supplying a minor with alcohol/illegal drugs.
3. Reporting his use of drugs and involvement in dealing/selling; *most especially to underage kids in the community
4. Reporting to DCF the regular use of disciplinary measures outside of the perimeters that DCF specified, "spanking on the behind."

So now Ron and Misty are in a "if you tell then I'll tell" relationship. If one of them talks, they both lose, big time. If both of them shut their mouths (and of course get married), Ron at least has a chance of keeping Butterbean. Haleighbug and Butterbean are merely possessions to Ronald, like a badge worn on a sleeve - not, imo, healthy parental love. (Crystal hasn't been any better BUT Haleigh wasn't at Crystal's home when she disappeared therefore I'm sticking to the known facts in this case rather than inserting unlikely scenerios, albeit creative)
The kids have become an extension of the conflict between Ron and Crystal. Custody is simply Ronald's way of outwardly proving his win with the added benefit of repeatedly stroking his extremely "adolescent" ego everytime he relives it. If RC truly loved and cared about his children he would not have sexual relations with underage girls, he certainly wouldn't move one into the home that he shares with his children. A loving caring father (parent) does not leave their child(ren) in the care of a 16 year-old that is known to use drugs and is known to hang out with other individuals that use drugs and/or are questionable characters for some other reasons.
The week before Ron left Haleighbug and Butterbean with Misty that night, Misty had been out on a bender...how many red flags, alarms, whistles, bells and horns does a parent need in order to be alerted to the real possibility that your child(ren) are at risk and/or in danger??? Ron's priority was not his child(ren) - Ron is consumed with Ron, getting laid by underage girls, getting high, keeping up his tuff guy/gangsta image and his hatred of/for Crystal. In my opinion, for Ron, the court's awarding of Haleigh and Jr was like a night at the carnival with his mother (TN) - he plays and wins the game because Mommy wanted the prize and the prize, in this case, was Haleigh and Jr.
For parents like RC, all the red flags, alarms, whistles, bells and horns in the whole world wouldn't change a thing because they're not looking for or listening to them. They're too busy getting their "fill" somewhere from someone or something. I think Misty gave Haleigh "something" to put her to sleep so that she could slip out of the house that night but when she returned Haleigh wasn't breathing - thus the reason for the urine, possibly other body fluids (vomit, feces) on her blanket and the need to wash it. Do I think that RC's bares some responsibility? You bet your azz I do! IMO He ignored the obvious and made choices that served only himself, certainly not his children and if this had happened on Crystal's watch (her home), I'd be looking at them, but it didn't - IT IS WHAT IT IS!
I think that LE needs to take some lessons from the Sandra Cantu case. Thank god they were willing to look outside of the "RSO theory" and were actually able to recognize the direction that the evidence was pointing even though it didn't fit the typical profile or scenerio. I have now reached the point in this case where I am completely frustrated with LE. Although LE has never been overly vocal in this case, IMO, they began actively backing away right after the "GR" visit to camp Ronald. GR woke and provoked Mama bear (TN) when he asked baby bear (RC) if he ate the pourage - since then LE has gone from saying very little to saying nothing...SILENCE.

I get the distinct feeling that someone(s) wants the public to simply forget about it and move on to somebody else, somewhere else, anyone else but Haleigh C, and anywhere else but Satsuma...
JMOHO

(bold mine) OT Happy Easter all...
:blowkiss:
My heart aches for the Cantu family today, Sandra should be opening her Easter surprises this morning...
Am keeping them all in my prayers.
:rose:
No More Sorrow is right. This needs to stop. And LE can take a lesson from Sandra's case. I am guessing most profilers would not have predicted a female was responsible for her disappearance nor the heinous, callous manner in which she was disposed. Who would have believed it was not only a mother, but the Sunday School teacher. Geesh, nothing should surprise us anymore. I'd already considered the possibility of "insider" in the case of Haleigh--but w/e compunctions I had about considering Misty as capable went right out the window. (Still struggling however w her managing a cover-up w/out an accomplice.)
:waitasec:
I believe Ron's motive for marrying Misty was twofold. I agree completely w no. '3' ie Haleigh's disappearance aside even, Misty no doubt had sufficient knowledge of other crimes unrelated to Haleigh, as to compel Ron to marry her and acquire a spousal privilege. But the underlying reason for even this all goes back to Numero Uno which IMO is custody. He needs to maintain custody of the children in order to control the finances and thus is seeking to "normalize" everything about their homelife and anything which could threaten or jeopardize that custody. Marrying Misty not only assured she would not be in a position to reveal or expose any illicit activities--but was the proverbial perfume on a pig. No longer theoretically could others point to his underage gf as proof of the childrens' unfitting lifestyle--nor his unfitness as a parent.

I think Ron does have an overriding need, at any and all costs, to control--and that sadly children often do become pawns to a parent, particularly if money is at stake. In this case I think he's demonstrated he is hellbent on remaining in a position of collecting versus paying support. Unfortunately in many cases I think parents see right thru their children in their fierce determination to have the upper hand w their spouse and to call the shots.

What are the implications for solving this case? Well, I can say only that it has seemed clear from the outset that whoever else Ron's believed may or may not be responsible, he's not questioned Crystal nor suspected her involvement. And this in itself tells me he knows something that we don't (and no, I don't believe this is merely attributed to his longsuffering self-control, nobleness of heart, and benevolent character). We need to remind or ask our selves for what reason can he--unlike so many of us here and thru all the maligning others do of Crystal's motives and accusations leveled against her for her involvement--remain so steadfastly convinced and unquestioning of their mother's innocence?

That alone speaks volumes to me. He hasn't accused Crystal because he KNOWS she is not responsible. And the only way he can be so confident of what didn't happen is if he has at least a hunch of what DID. JMO

arrot:

 

[lonetraveler]

Yep, you can cheat on them... it's been done. Just have a trusted co-worker to punch the clock for you. People do it all the time.
My husband has worked for some pretty big companies. They sign in on the computer at some places. Other companies just have time sheets the employees sign. No matter what system is put in place, somebody's going to find a way to beat the system.

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I agree, I've worked in the industrial plant environment and there is always a method of cheating the old time clock. It is done all the time. Someone at that plant the Ron worked at knows the truth of if he was there the entire time, arrived on time, left on time, around at breaks, around at lunch, and hopefully they will come forward.

 

[lonetraveler]

I woke up this morning thinking about this case but I was also thinking about another case, the Trenton Duckett disappearance. The two cases are similar in my opinion. In both, you have a parent using a child to hurt the other parent. You have someone having custody of a child who IMO not competent to be the parent. You also, IMO, have two parents who will do anything and everything possible to keep the other parent from getting custody, not because they necessarily care for the child that much, but because they can control the other parent and enjoy making that parent totally hurt and miserable by keeping the child from them. There is the "kidnapping" of the children. One, supposedly taken from his crib in his bedroom via a cut screen while his "mother" is entertaining guests in the very next room. And the other one, supposedly taken from her own little bed on the floor while the "mother figure", father's girlfriend, whatever you want to call her, is "sleeping" not four feet away. Then you have the mother of Trenton, throwing away his sonogram, his toys, his clothes as if she is completely finished with him, because she knows that he is gone forever. Then you have a father of Haleigh, moving out of the house, getting a tattoo to remember her by (where have we seen this before????), getting married, honeymooning in NY, going to mudbogs, the county fair and getting on with his life as if Hayleigh is gone for good. She is already spoken about in the past tense. I guess in a way the mother of Trenton and the father of Hayleigh "won" and the children's other parent "lost". When it is all said and done, both these little children "lost" and were used as pawns between the parents. This is my theory and I'm sticking to it.