Theories on what happened to Lindsey B.

[Jules71]

It does not look like there was enough precip in June or July to cause the flood shown in the pictures on the City site at 6th and Fir.

I know nothing about waste water, culverts, or sewer flushing - but could that "flushing" cause flooding like this? OR, are we convinced these flood pics are not from July? If so, I still think a hole in the road or in that grassy area on Fir along JM's could be a possibility. It just seems like a lot of things are pointing there.....

1. JM's property being searched 6 times
2. JM saying the kids went swimming in his "creek"
3. The scent from dogs
4. The repaved area of the road (could mean it was dug up to fix a past flood problem)
5. Seems very logical Lindsey could take this route on her way to LN's.

I hope I am not driving you all crazy - I just can't seem to get this out of my head. I think I will take a break now.

 

[scandi]

And we can't forget this picture of Sam's Canal on Maple and 7th.

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/verti...ds/{EE631930-ECAC-428C-9EFD-38805B896A24}.JPG

Hi Jules, You've been busy! lol

That must be the spot up by the water treatment plant where Sam's Canal is exposed. It doesn't look like it would be hard to get into, but if she were put there they would have had to stuff her in the culvert, right? I don't know about that. They would have no control as to if her body would float out into the water, and if it were carried thru the culvert down to Sand Creek Lake she would have been found. They searched that area with helicopter.

I do think the Astros are right and she was moved once. I can't see her being put in a marshy area like that and then going back to retreive her. Too messy and too much out in the open.

I can still imagine she was first put someplace like one of those vacant apts at the Beehive for several hours. Did they ever take the cadaver dogs to the Beehive?

 

[scandi]

It does not look like there was enough precip in June or July to cause the flood shown in the pictures on the City site at 6th and Fir.

I know nothing about waste water, culverts, or sewer flushing - but could that "flushing" cause flooding like this? OR, are we convinced these flood pics are not from July? If so, I still think a hole in the road or in that grassy area on Fir along JM's could be a possibility. It just seems like a lot of things are pointing there.....

1. JM's property being searched 6 times
2. JM saying the kids went swimming in his "creek"
3. The scent from dogs
4. The repaved area of the road (could mean it was dug up to fix a past flood problem)
5. Seems very logical Lindsey could take this route on her way to LN's.

I hope I am not driving you all crazy - I just can't seem to get this out of my head. I think I will take a break now.

They found nothing suspicious about JM or his property from what I read, but I wonder if they still have him in their radar? I think they knew right away by someone seeing her walk up 6th that it was the route she took. I aqgree with you. What JM said in that TV interview was not the case, as the local kids do not play in that ditch. They go up N of the Simpson mill and play in the water there, right?

When it all boils down to whaz up, I still look at the Mayor more heavily tho than JM. One known fact is that the Affidavit says she was last seen about or close to 6th and Maple so either walking down Maple or up 6th, she had to wal past his house and at a time when he had just returned home from a celebratory partee! And he fits so many of the Astro perameters, older, teacher, person of authority, knew her as she probably walked that way often between Kara and Libby's houses.

Broken record I know and sorry for that. It just seems that is where so many things point.

 

[Jules71]

They found nothing suspicious about JM or his property from what I read, but I wonder if they still have him in their radar? I think they knew right away by someone seeing her walk up 6th that it was the route she took. I aqgree with you. What JM said in that TV interview was not the case, as the local kids do not play in that ditch. They go up N of the Simpson mill and play in the water there, right?

When it all boils down to whaz up, I still look at the Mayor more heavily tho than JM. One known fact is that the Affidavit says she was last seen about or close to 6th and Maple so either walking down Maple or up 6th, she had to wal past his house and at a time when he had just returned home from a celebratory partee! And he fits so many of the Astro perameters, older, teacher, person of authority, knew her as she probably walked that way often between Kara and Libby's houses.

Broken record I know and sorry for that. It just seems that is where so many things point.

Ahhhhhh Scandi! He still bothers me too. I just don't know what to think anymore... I wish we had some answers. LINDSEY WHERE ARE YOU SWEET GIRL?

 

[Jules71]

Do we have a way to find out what time the party let out that night, to give us an idea of what time WB might have made it home?

ETA: Do we know what color of car he drives?

 

[scandi]

I just don't think they get enough rain in those months to create that kind of flooding. Only way to know for sure is to call the City?

I'll be happy to call that gentleman in the Bldg Dept again tomorrow morning. If anyone has any specific questions let me know. I was quite sure they 'flushed the culverts this summer.

I'd like to know:
* if they re-searched the culverts after the flushing,

* are there branches or any rebar on the inside of the culvert walls that could grab something if it washed by,

* how did they search the culverts, with a camera or looking down with a flashlight,

* is Sam's Canal culverted all the way down to Sand Creek Lake/Pond, and

* if the bridge and 7th and Maple are 2 of the spots where Sam's Canal is exposed, where is the 3rd?

 

[Jules71]

I'll be happy to call that gentleman in the Bldg Dept again tomorrow morning. If anyone has any specific questions let me know. I was quite sure they 'flushed the culverts this summer.

I'd like to know:
* if they re-searched the culverts after the flushing,

* are there branches or any rebar on the inside of the culvert walls that could grab something if it washed by,

* how did they search the culverts, with a camera or looking down with a flashlight,

* is Sam's Canal culverted all the way down to Sand Creek Lake/Pond, and

* if the bridge and 7th and Maple are 2 of the spots where Sam's Canal is exposed, where is the 3rd?

Thanks Scandi!

Also, what work was done at 6th and Fir that required the road be cut open and repaved. When was that done - does it pertain to that area flooding?

ETA: This could also be connected to what I wrote above - JVC said they just dug or re-dug a creek? along the side of Fir just East of 6th (along JM's property line) - Why?

 

[CorallaroC]

I'll be happy to call that gentleman in the Bldg Dept again tomorrow morning. If anyone has any specific questions let me know. I was quite sure they 'flushed the culverts this summer.

I'd like to know:
* if they re-searched the culverts after the flushing,

* are there branches or any rebar on the inside of the culvert walls that could grab something if it washed by,

* how did they search the culverts, with a camera or looking down with a flashlight,

* is Sam's Canal culverted all the way down to Sand Creek Lake/Pond, and

* if the bridge and 7th and Maple are 2 of the spots where Sam's Canal is exposed, where is the 3rd?

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excellent questions!

Can we also find out if there were scheduled Time slots when these flushes took place?

(esp. on Friday, June 26th)

 

[scandi]

Do we have a way to find out what time the party let out that night, to give us an idea of what time WB might have made it home?

ETA: Do we know what color of car he drives?

??? ??? lol, in other words I have no idea. That would take a master researcher, eh? Or a Local driving by his house. He has a big paved place to park right N of his house and adjacent to it and then there is an outbuilding on the NE corner of his lot, probably for gardening, or a small garage and is a freestanding bldg.

It is interesting. Looking in the White Pages he only has a PO box for an address. I think he must have owned the property JM bought. Those 2 lots are double sized for the average lot in McCleary so some of the best in town I would think.

It looks like between JM and the Mayor's properties there is a platted easement for ingress and egress going just to the center of that whole block. Whether it is open to drive back there I don't know as often it is only on paper. I also see a platted easement, maybe for the city, and it runs between 6th and 5th and runs E and W and is adjacent to the dedicated roadway of Fir St. Maybe that is where the city dug the new ditch.

I don't know what any of that has to do with Lindsey being abducted, but I do consider 6th and Maple the temporary 'scene of the crime', where she was last seen, so the more we know the better. Right?

 

[scandi]

Whoops, double post!

So while I'm in here, Jvk, can you tell us where those 2 vacant apts were in the Beehive complex? And do the apts that front on 6th have windows to look out at the street? I wonder if anyone living there saw anything.


Also, someone here posted right after we got the Affidavit that a Relke'y' who is mentioned therein as a witness is a probation officer. I can't find that info anywhere so hope that poster can let me know where they found this out. xox xox xox


In this wet and windy weather my heart just goes to Lindsey and wishing she could be found ASAP.

 

[scandi]

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excellent questions!

Can we also find out if there were scheduled Time slots when these flushes took place?

(esp. on Friday, June 26th)

I'll add it to the list, xox

 

[scandi]

Thanks Scandi!

Also, what work was done at 6th and Fir that required the road be cut open and repaved. When was that done - does it pertain to that area flooding?

ETA: This could also be connected to what I wrote above - JVC said they just dug or re-dug a creek? along the side of Fir just East of 6th (along JM's property line) - Why?

OK, I'll put that on the list too.

There is some confusion I see with the Google Map and the map posted on the last page here.

The Google map shows no improvements on the property S of JM's on the other side of Fir and 6th. The map just posted shows houses there. It must be the satellite maps for Google are waaay out of date, and yet I remember that TV camera panning out on a big field as the reporter and Jim looked out S in that direction as they stood by the shop. ???


PS: I could see someone temporarily hiding a body in an outbuilding, shop or storage shed, eh? There are several of those bldgs on those 2 lots. Just sayin'.

 

[Knox]

Scandi point out to the City that the pictures of the flood which occurred in January 2009, are labeled July 1, 2009, lol. Their IT guy should put a notation on the page to clarify.

 

[scandi]

Scandi point out to the City that the pictures of the flood which occurred in January 2009, are labeled July 1, 2009, lol. Their IT guy should put a notation on the page to clarify.

OK, I bet July 1st was the date the pics were added to the site but I agree it should be corrected as to the date of the flooding. xox

 

[Jules71]

Whoops, double post!

So while I'm in here, Jvk, can you tell us where those 2 vacant apts were in the Beehive complex? And do the apts that front on 6th have windows to look out at the street? I wonder if anyone living there saw anything.


Also, someone here posted right after we got the Affidavit that a Relke'y' who is mentioned therein as a witness is a probation officer. I can't find that info anywhere so hope that poster can let me know where they found this out. xox xox xox


In this wet and windy weather my heart just goes to Lindsey and wishing she could be found ASAP.

I don't have info on Ralke being a PO but today when I was looking at all the houses along 6th and Fir, I found Mr Sample's house. He was also mentioned in the affidavit.

I found a Ralkey listed in the "2009 State of Washington Department of Corrections List of Employees, Job Title and Salary". Position is OFF ASST 3 though. I will keep looking. I found another Ralkey over on 1st.

ETA: I found the wife of the Ralkey on 1st listed in the above referenced document also. She is a OFF SUPPT SUP 2. Neither one of these positions look like a probation officer though. I'll keep digging.

 

[scandi]

I don't have info on Ralke being a PO but today when I was looking at all the houses along 6th and Fir, I found Mr Sample's house. He was also mentioned in the affidavit.

I found a Ralkey listed in the "2009 State of Washington Department of Corrections List of Employees, Job Title and Salary". Position is OFF ASST 3 though. I will keep looking. I found another Ralkey over on 1st.

WOW. Jules. You are just a peach, and a good one too. LOL Tak sa mycker ;}

 

[Jules71]

WOW. Jules. You are just a peach, and a good one too. LOL Tak sa mycker ;}

Tee hee, thanks! I'm on a roll. My DH wants the computer now so I better get off of here. But it looks like I found that the Mrs. Ralkey on 1st ST received Federal Assistance money in 2001 for TRAINING TO ASSIST PROBATION/PAROLE OFFICERS - in Michigan though. I will look more at it tomorrow. G'Night!

It's somewhere in this mess: http://www.fedspending.org/faads/fa...tate_code=26&fiscal_year=2001&sum_expand=PACS

 

[Knox]

11-29-2009, 01:45 PM

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Thank you Tuba. Brainstorming here; So let's say a driver at the station had his hood up, another driver had just given their car a jump start. Lindsey is walking by at that moment and starts a conversation with this person. She tells him her Mom's battery is dead too or that her car has a similar problem, the person offers to look at Melissa's car and says jump in. Is this where your thoughts are headed?

Since none of this was picked up by video camera's I guess the person could have pushed their car out of the fueling area, off to the side of the station. Possibly next to the bike which was left there... I wonder if this thought should be reported to GHSO?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85929&page=24
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This is the post Tuba refer's to ...

 

[Knox]

Do we need to look at local mechanic's? Both in McCleary and Elma?

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I think she was kidnapped and put somewhere else in the country, in a human trafficing ring.

Finding no body, or evidence that she is dead, this late in the investigation makes me believe that she is moved somewhere underground.