Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

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  • #101
petra said:
Doogie, you are amazing.:dance: I have been reading this all along with no way to post--frustrating.

I think you are right on with this assesment. Question about the name Christian-is it a family name, maiden name, religion, named after someone--usually a boy's name here in norway. that is why i was wondering where it came from.

The BFH is providing some interesting tidbits--curious as to what annasmom has to say about the actual note.

Keep up the great work doogie and other sleuths--great to be back posting.
Petra, "Anna" is my sister and also Anna's grandmother; "Christian" just because I liked it and liked the connotations.
 
  • #102
MONY has merged with AXA Financial Protection now.
 
  • #103
"L's have been made"

At my job (DMV) L's is short for (driver) licenses. Could have been fake drivers licenses they would need to present to the insurance company before the policy was finalized.
 
  • #104
Whoooa!! If there was an insurance policy and Anna was the original beneficiary, then the beneficiary was being changed to Brody, who was the party they insured?? This doesn't make sense. Anna wasn't the person that was insured so why would they abduct her (I believe 1 million percent they did). I just don't understand what the whole plan was. I doubt GW was the imsured. Suicide cancels most policies, he wasn't sick and GB needed GW around him to do everything for him.

Hmmm, How did the lady die that GB said Anna was the reincarnation of (before the woman was even dead)???
 
  • #105
MONT- Montesano, WA

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Annasbro, do any of these look familiar?
 
  • #106
I am no expert on life insurance but it is possible to get an insurance policy and then use it as collateral for a loan. So perhaps that's why it was done?

As for the suicide... Brody wasn't sick, and hadn't died then so suicide wasn't the plan. It only became the plan after Brody died.
 
  • #107
Dr. Doogie said:
I have found an interesting handwritten note in the Box From Hell. Some words are undeciperable, but here it is in its entirity:

Plan

1. Contact (undecipherable, looks like "mome") (a p with a line above it) Final arrangements (a c with a line above it) L's have been made. Jan 1973

2. Apply for $100.000 (a c with a line above it) A.C.E. as B (scribbled out word)

3. 3 months later negotiate increase to 5. (undecipherable, looks like "slils") ACE

4. 3 mos later change B.

What is interesting is that this note outlines a plan where the "final arrangements" conclude with something happening in January 1973, the month and year that Anna disappeared. This plan also includes applying for a sum of money (either $100.00 with one too many zeros behind the decimal or $100,000 with a period instead of a comma in the number). It appears the plan was to apply as Brody, then change the name on the loan three months later (which does not make a lot of sense, but that was apparently the plan).

The symbols used in the note appear to be shorthand. Is anyone out there familar with these symbols?

p with a line over it means "after" in medical jargon. (you will see it a lot of times on perscriptions as p meals) c with a line over it means "with".

My interpetation:
1. Contact Mont (Montgomery? Monty? Montreal? or the Washington city or most probably the insurance company) after Final arrangements with L's have been made. Jan. 1973
2. Apply for $100,000 with ACE, as (Bscribbled, possibly beneficiary)
3. 3 months later negotiate increase to 5. ____ with ACE.
4. 3 mos later change B.

I would check the BFH for communication with any couple with the last name beginning with L. ACE could most likely be an insurance company or loan company or an agency name. I think this was written by George W. due to the medical shorthand, maybe he was writing down the instructions from GB. I do think this is a significant find.
 
  • #108
i still think ace in the letter is refering to anna. i also think that the ls stand for lawyers contact l's for finaly arangements i belive it said must be laywers but.. if they were selling anna or giving her out to a family wouldnt they need annas mom to sign papers? did gw have any custody rights to anna like joint? or something. i mean you cant just give your child away to someone without both parents signing something?. unless gw and brody had a shady lawyer who produced documents of some sort and this was done in the black market?
 
  • #109
smile22 said:
i still think ace in the letter is refering to anna. i also think that the ls stand for lawyers contact l's for finaly arangements i belive it said must be laywers but.. if they were selling anna or giving her out to a family wouldnt they need annas mom to sign papers? did gw have any custody rights to anna like joint? or something. i mean you cant just give your child away to someone without both parents signing something?. unless gw and brody had a shady lawyer who produced documents of some sort and this was done in the black market?
Annasmom and GW had joint legal custody, yet Anna lived with Annasmom exclusively. GW never had any dealings with Anna after the divorce and never showed any interest in her except for the sending of child support checks. This note is the first evidence that Anna was even in his thoughts.

It is possible that GW & GB arranged for false paperwork showing that Annasmom was deceased or had abandoned Anna which would allow GW to "legally" sign adoption papers.
 
  • #110
2. Apply for $100.000 (a c with a line above it) A.C.E. as B (scribbled out word)
I interpret that as:

2. Apply for $100,000 (insurance policy) with A.C.E. (Anna Christian Eifee) as B (beneficiary).
 
  • #111
This was in the 1970s Smile22 and sadly many "authorities" did not take custody into account. Whoever had the child frequently made all the decisions, no matter what the courts said. Its hard to believe in today's world but oftentimes family abduction reports weren't even taken.

Add to this the fact the George Waters was a doctor and you have a whole new catagory of "allowable leeway" that other mere mortals didn't enjoy.

So yes... a lot of money, an "ask no questions" lawyer, a father, a plan, and more than one person would have assisted.

Finally, George Waters lived in a hotel room that was in a run down area. Who knows how many times he treated some "unsavory characters" who didn't want to go to the hospital. Perhaps one was more than willing to help out the doctor with some forged papers?

Pure speculation on my part though.
 
  • #112
MagicRose99 said:
I hate to say it... but if those 2 were involved with taking her... God help us all.
Actually, if they were involved (and I believe that they were), it increases the chances that Anna is still alive. As crazy as these two were, they were not predators or murderers. Brody was filled with a sense of "self importance" that lead him to believe that he was some sort of messiah - I do not believe that he or Waters would bring physical harm to Anna. I can, however, see where they would abduct her and get her into a "safe" environment "for her own good".
 
  • #113
PonderingThings said:
Pure speculation on my part though.
Your speculations seem right on to me.
 
  • #114
SherlockJr said:
oh, gee, somewhere in all these posts, doogie or annasmom has listed things that anna would have remembered. I can't find this post. I am e-mailing a woman in california who says there were no adoption record on her and I would like to include some things in the e-mail to jog her memory. Help me out!
I also have pictures of the whole family (Annasmom, Joe Ford, Annasbro and her other brother) from within a few short months before Anna disappeared that have not been posted for privacy reasons. If the woman that you are in contact with feels that there is a possibility that she is Anna, let me know and I will send you the pics.
 
  • #115
Sherlock, the things she would have remembered would have been: Joka (Joe), her brother's names Nonda and Eddie, a dog named Saturn, and her neighbors Peggy and Suzy.
 
  • #116
I have just spent my morning digging through the Box from Hell, reviewing copies of dozens of insurance policies that might relate to the note that we have been discussing. A few observations:

1. All of the policies seem to been generated between late 1973 and 1975.

2. None of the policies have Anna listed as the beneficiary, but that may be because they were generated after Anna's disappearance.

3. All of the policies list "George Brody, Friend" as the beneficiary. Some of the policies show Brody as a "change in beneficiary", but no records exist that show who the original beneficiary was. A few of the policies have letters from Waters naming Brody as the "Irrevocable Beneficiary" where even Waters could not remove Brody as the benefiociary without Brody's written permission.

4. None of the policies were traditional life insurance where the benefits would be paid out upon the death of the insured for any reason. These were all "Accidental Death and Dismemberment" policies that frequently are offered through credit card companies as an added benefit of membership (Shell Oil, Sears, etc.) These are usually very low monthy cost policies where premiums are charged to the members credit card and require very little paperwork to apply for.
 
  • #117
I just found a reference to an Accidental Death insurance policy issued by Lloyd's of London issued in 1970 with Brody as beneficiary. On July 30th, 1970, Waters presented it Brody as a "birthday gift" (remember, Brody claimed to have been born August 15th, 1925). The policy was for $100,000 with the promise to increase it to $1,000,000 in the future.

I do not believe that this was the policy mentioned in the above note because it was written two and a half years before the date mentioned of January 1973. It does appear to be the first instance of an insurance policy taken out by Waters listing Brody as the beneficiary.
 
  • #118
I have also found a list of alimony and child support payments in 1972 in George Waters' handwriting. It methodically lists alimony payments of $125 to Annasmom on the 15th of the months and $175 to Anna on the first of the months. There is a notation that say "D/C (discontinue) Alimony - Remarried 9/16/72". All payments had been made by Bank of America money order until this point. Waters made one more child support payment with a BofA money order on 10/1. His last three child support payments were made by personal check - he listed the payee on this list as "A.C.E.W." This matches the "Plan" note's reference to "A.C.E." This tells me that "A.C.E." is definitely Anna.

The list shows his last payment was made 1/1/73. Chillingly, the last entry on this list says "Anna Lost - 1/16/73".
 
  • #119
Annasmom said:
1. Contact MONY (possibly Mutual of New York) regarding Final arrangements with L's have been made. (Jan. 1973)
After looking at the note, I agree that it probably says "MONY" which would be Mutual of New York. I cannot find any records of a MONY insurance policy in the Box from Hell. I wonder if this was among the items that GW destryed between Brody's and Waters' deaths.
 
  • #120
ok, so L's could refer to Lloyd's of London. The use of the words "final arrangements" always reminds me of funeral plans.

I just don't understand the need to list Anna as the beneficiary, raise the amount 3 months later, then change the beneficiary. Why not put the intended beneficiary in the first place? What would be the benefit of that?
 
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