Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody, Part 2

[Annasbro]

As you can see, I am on line here churning away at work and trying to distract myself. Talk radio in one ear, working on a complicated project with most of my conciousness, and periodically checking in with you sleuths. The results will be in at any time. I have been trying to exercise a little emotional separation otherwise I couldn't function. I have tried to prepare myself for a number of the possible outcomes including a match with the remains of someone else in the system. It is all very difficult but I am ok. Thanks for asking.

 

[mysteriew]

I've noticed you peeking in a few times in the last couple of days, but have been trying to restrain myself from questioning you. I am glad you are surviving. Hopefully it won't be much longer now.

 

[GraceBlue]

I think they know the results now. I saw Doogie online and "Creating a Thread" He signed off. Now I am having an anxiety attack

 

[MagicRose99]

As you can see, I am on line here churning away at work and trying to distract myself. Talk radio in one ear, working on a complicated project with most of my conciousness, and periodically checking in with you sleuths. The results will be in at any time. I have been trying to exercise a little emotional separation otherwise I couldn't function. I have tried to prepare myself for a number of the possible outcomes including a match with the remains of someone else in the system. It is all very difficult but I am ok. Thanks for asking.

(((HUGS))) Annasbro! We're here with you... even if it's silently...

 

[JDB]

I think they know the results now. I saw Doogie online and "Creating a Thread" He signed off. Now I am having an anxiety attack

I saw that to!!!! Doug come back and tell us something please

 

[GraceBlue]

Ok...now that we know C isn't Anna. More than ever I am determined to find Anna. I am willing to contribute a lot...even if it means traveling by plane to other cities to check out libraries, public records, etc. My husband is a librarian and he is an excellent researcher. I will get him involved in the search for Anna.

Back to the drawing board...

Few things about GB and GW that REALLY bother me:

-The "I am glad the tot is dead" statement (although it may not be related to Anna)
-GB's weird obession with Anna
-The fact that GW took a week off work around the time Anna went missing.
-The handwritten "Jan 1973" note that was found in BFH (I believe?)

I am not 100% convinced that they were involved in Anna's disapearrance but I think it is worth looking into.

 

[smile22]

back to searching but we wont give up we have alot of good people involved in this case we will keep on searching for answers

 

[InterestedNHelping]

I am still 'mostly convinced' that the two George's did have some involvement in this, I will continue to work on GB's identity.

 

[NJshrink]

The name "Effie" is a nickname for Esther. Remember the EdBurnes/Barnes/George Murman's mother was named Esther. Another thought is that in the psychotic's mind having a name that is Christian wouldn't work especially if your background might be Jewish originally. Another thought, again if I remember this correctly, an older woman took Anna as a babysitter. Perhaps someone in Brody's family thought they were rescuing a little girl from a "psychotic" relative as a help not fully realizing at the time what this was. I'm sorry to hear that the DNA for a "C" is not a match.

 

[GraceBlue]

Annasmom/Doogie- I know it is soon after getting the negative DNA results. I have 2 questions. When (what year) did GW meet GB? Was GW ever a president of the SF Kiwanis club in 1966? http://www.kiwanissanfrancisco.org/about_kiwanis_sf.shtml
Is it possible Brody was also a member?
Thank you.

 

[GraceBlue]

The name "Effie" is a nickname for Esther. Remember the EdBurnes/Barnes/George Murman's mother was named Esther. Another thought is that in the psychotic's mind having a name that is Christian wouldn't work especially if your background might be Jewish originally. Another thought, again if I remember this correctly, an older woman took Anna as a babysitter. Perhaps someone in Brody's family thought they were rescuing a little girl from a "psychotic" relative as a help not fully realizing at the time what this was. I'm sorry to hear that the DNA for a "C" is not a match.

That is interesting because Esther (I believe) was Margaret Kukoda's mother's name. Anna's middle name was spelled Eifee not Effie but I wonder if GB mispelled it by accident or on purpose? It will be interesting to ask Annasmom if she has anything in the BFH that was written by GB to see if he wrote words as they sounded which often results in mispelling.

I highly doubt GB's family 'rescued' Anna from them because according to the hotel GB and GW lived in, they didnt have visitors. I am sure they would have mentioned a little blonde girl to Joe Ford when he asked if they had visitors. But that is an interesting theory. We have looked into the possibility of the two Georges taking Anna and giving her to either Brody or Kukoda's family.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Brody
George Brody
George Bee (B)
"Bobby" - this one may be the most likely real first name

Waters
George Waters
He registered at the hotel as "Walters", but that may have been an error by the clerk

Kukoda
Margaret Kukoda
Mary Kukoda
Mary Kay (K)

I wanted to add that IF George Brody's Friend Margaret is in fact the Margaret Kukoda of Bucks County PA, (Born in NJ 1921 & Daughter of Esther and Anthony). This family had several variations on the spelling of their last name. So there is a possibility she could have used any of them throughout the years.

1910 Census they spelled it Kukido and Kuksdo
1920 Census they spelled it Kahnke and Kokoda
1930 Census they spelled it Kukoda, (Though 2 brothers continued to spell it Kokoda in 1930 when they where living in MI.) On the death and SS records of the male family members the name was finally spelled Kukoda.

Esthers mother was Susanna Boeniat according to the 1910 census, stating that she was the head of the house holds Mother- in- Law.

 

[GraceBlue]

I've been looking into the name Eifee. I tried a different spelling: EifFee with 2 fs and it appears to be a last name. Could it be GB's "real" last name? Or Margaret's real last name? Or one of their family names.

Ok, now according to this http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?&fid=7&ln=Eiffee&fn=&yr=1880 people with the last name Eiffee in the 1880s lived in Massachusetts and in the 1920s in New York. New York is right above Pennsylvania.

All this probably means nothing but if it does, it could bring us closer to GB's real identity.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

GraceBlue, you are also looking at a similar theory that I was thinking...this is my thought, that the name Eifee, was who they were GOING TO GIVE ANNA TO, and it might be a last name, then there would be no legal question as to her background if the birth certificate had already been changed, well before the fact. ANy thoughts that Eifee or any variation therof, might have been who actually has Anna? I have always thought this was a possiblility, since it would be unquestioned legally.

 

[GraceBlue]

InterestedNHelping- That is an interesting theory. But my question is, they waited 5 long years from the time Anna was born/they added Eifee to her name before kidnapping her and giving her to someone else?

Couple of thoughts I have: Maybe GB's real last name was Eifee/Eiffee and he felt 'left out' of the excitement of Anna's birth and wanted his name included next to the Waters name? Is there any way we can look up military records for someone with the last name Eifee and Eiffee? Did they take out life insurance policies and use both GB's real and fake names?

 

[InterestedNHelping]

My first theory is that GB formulated this plan from the moment he met Anna. Just a theory..the other theory that I am following is that he is closer to home than we think, and I have a guy that I have found that is born in CA, is a leo, is older than what GB said he actually was, and ironically, this man has not died, and would be 97 years old. I am trying to track him, see what happened to him, and if he might really be GB.

ANother theory I have held to, is that they took her out of the country, with that name. ACE means many things, and I think it was calculated, though I wonder how many names they went through before deciding, and how close the names resembled this one.

Military records are searchable all over the net, and he could be found, but I think we really have to find a real name first. Eifee is very abstract, and I dont think it was GBs name, he was too secretive to do that in my opinion.

I am following up various ideas at this time, if I find anything I will certainly post it!

 

[GraceBlue]

InterestedNHelping- That's an interesting theory. Let us know what you find on this "GB" fellow! Geez, how did GB come up with a fake name and Eifee? He must've just opened up a telephone book! Really!

What country do you think they took Anna to?


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Has anyone followed up with Margaret Kukoda's sister Madlyn to find out if the woman in the picture we have is in fact Margaret Kukoda and see if they know anything about GB? I think if anything, the truth about GB lies with Madlyn and her family and possibly all the photographs and letters from Margaret she may have kept (if there are any)...or even better, Margaret's personal posessions.

 

[GraceBlue]

I hate going this direction but...why (all of the sudden) do I have this bad 'feeling' that GW and GB could have been involved in Anna's disappearance. Perhaps it was all for money and GB knew how to get GW and Anna fake identities/stolen identities, GW (being a doctor) had access to medicine such as cyanide. They could've filed for an insurance policy under fake names, given Anna cyanide or something, filed for a death certificate, had her cremated (which could be why we can't find her) and gotten insurance money all under the false names.

Doogie, are there ANY names in the BFH? If so, can you write them all down so we can look into whether there were any insurance policies filed under that name or if there are any death certificates under a certain name?

I hate being negative, I certainly hope this is NOT what happened but it is all just a theory.

 

[NJshrink]

I think some of you are clearly onto something. "Elizabeth" Ann "Anna" Peggy (sic Margaret) Bouslag Davis, a nurse went missing somewhere between 1939 and 1944. She apparently left Colorado with a "John Spooner" to go to San Francisco. She was a nurse in Colorado at Jewish National Hospital in the 1030's and at the Presidio Military hospital in SF in the 1940's. She was being investigated for performing illegal abortions during that time. There is the newspaper article link a few posts ago. Her children couldn't find her in the 1940's. Apparently she told them she was "going out to sea." This may be the woman GB married. Ironically no one can find actual records on her either. See the picture on Anna Waters my space for Elizabeth Davis and read the history. Something tells me there is a connection with abortions/baby rings. Remember, once abortions became legal in the US, back room ones were less lucrative. Perhaps another means was needed for financial purposes, especially for GB. Any thoughts?

 

[mysteriew]

I think some of you are clearly onto something. "Elizabeth" Ann "Anna" Peggy (sic Margaret) Bouslag Davis, a nurse went missing somewhere between 1939 and 1944. She apparently left Colorado with a "John Spooner" to go to San Francisco. She was a nurse in Colorado at Jewish National Hospital in the 1030's and at the Presidio Military hospital in SF in the 1940's. She was being investigated for performing illegal abortions during that time. There is the newspaper article link a few posts ago. Her children couldn't find her in the 1940's. Apparently she told them she was "going out to sea." This may be the woman GB married. Ironically no one can find actual records on her either. See the picture on Anna Waters my space for Elizabeth Davis and read the history. Something tells me there is a connection with abortions/baby rings. Remember, once abortions became legal in the US, back room ones were less lucrative. Perhaps another means was needed for financial purposes, especially for GB. Any thoughts?

A lot of that matches up to the Margaret K. info.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1059881&highlight=presido#post1059881