Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody, Part 2

[InterestedNHelping]

I decided that since everyone is looking into Kudoda and Brody and the back east connection, I would try to see if our 'conman' Brody actually is from California. I am still researching, and have been for the last few months, and have a few characters of interest. If there is any relation whatsoever, I will post them for all to inspect, I just want to rule them in or out at this point.

 

[GraceBlue]

Interestedinhelping- Good idea about searching under the house! But forgive me for being graphic, I've had a dead animal under my house and it STUNK up the entire house. I can imagine a dead body would make the house smell if Anna somehow got stuck under the house.
As for Brody. Interesting!!!!! Honestly, I think our best shot would to be contact MK's relatives. They could have saved old letters or whatever from MK that may state who she's living with. We can only hope! If so, then it could save us hours, days, months, and years of research!

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I decided that since everyone is looking into Kudoda and Brody and the back east connection, I would try to see if our 'conman' Brody actually is from California. I am still researching, and have been for the last few months, and have a few characters of interest. If there is any relation whatsoever, I will post them for all to inspect, I just want to rule them in or out at this point.

There was a George Brody (b. 1890) and his wife Margaret (b.1895) that moved to SF between 1920 and 1930. I've posted all the info on here before. But no one seemed to think it could be a match. Anyway, I have never been able to find death records for either of them, nor did they have any children as of 1930. He worked at a hardware store. He was originally from Philly. where he worked at the ship yard. This Brody is a little older than originally thought but I still should have found SS death index on him.

ETA: I have wrote to several Older Hardware stores in the SF area asking if they remember a Brody ever working/owning it. So far they have all said no.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

GraceBlue, that makes perfect sense, thus the dumb question is answered...kind of graphic if you want to remove the answer from the forum it would be ok. SInce everyone is looking into MK, I went a different direction on purpose. I think you are right about that, I just decided, that I might find something on this side that may fit, and save research time doing it. Thanks for the obvious answer on the house.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

There was a George Brody (b. 1890) and his wife Margaret (b.1895) that moved to SF between 1920 and 1930. I've posted all the info on here before. But no one seemed to think it could be a match. Anyway, I have never been able to find death records for either of them, nor did they have any children as of 1930. He worked at a hardware store. He was originally from Philly. where he worked at the ship yard. This Brody is a little older than originally thought but I still should have found SS death index on him.

The SSDI is a funny thing, they do not have everyone that has actually died in it, even when it is a long time ago. Thats what makes this so hard, if you get a good searchable name like you did, then you can't find them, and they might be dead, and they might be Brody, it is very very frustrating. My brother passed away some time ago, and is not listed, and should be. If I were you I think I would keep checking your lead out, you never know who he could have been, if you think its worth a shot, never give up!

 

[InterestedNHelping]

On pins and needles here...Noe st anyone? is the address in the BFH? grrrr...that darned elusive box...perhaps it could be scanned and some of the contents posted, for us to work on. Well, Noe street intrigues me, I may have something, and I may have nothing...just doing that rule in or out thing :banghead:

 

[Dr. Doogie]

On pins and needles here...Noe st anyone? is the address in the BFH? grrrr...that darned elusive box...perhaps it could be scanned and some of the contents posted, for us to work on. Well, Noe street intrigues me, I may have something, and I may have nothing...just doing that rule in or out thing :banghead:

1006 Noe Street

 

[Cubby]

On pins and needles here...Noe st anyone? is the address in the BFH? grrrr...that darned elusive box...perhaps it could be scanned and some of the contents posted, for us to work on. Well, Noe street intrigues me, I may have something, and I may have nothing...just doing that rule in or out thing :banghead:

Here is the address listed on the george brody myspace

1006 Noe St.

http://www.myspace.com/georgebrody

eta: looks like Doogie and I posted at the same time.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Thank you all...ugh, not same address, still looking to see if connected in any way, thanks again

 

[GraceBlue]

GraceBlue, that makes perfect sense, thus the dumb question is answered...kind of graphic if you want to remove the answer from the forum it would be ok. SInce everyone is looking into MK, I went a different direction on purpose. I think you are right about that, I just decided, that I might find something on this side that may fit, and save research time doing it. Thanks for the obvious answer on the house.

No! It isnt a dumb question! There are no dumb questions in this case! No one knows what happened to Anna so we all should be questioning everything!

Good for you for going a different direction! Please dont let me stop you because I said MK's family MAY or may not have info on GB's real identity! I think you're doing good in terms of researching!!

 

[Gina_M]

I wrote to Marki, who runs the Bouslog page, and here is her reply regarding Margaret Kukoda:

"I actually did read the write up here on myspace about George Brody and looked at the photo of Margaret Kukoda but I don't believe that is her. I sent a copy of the photo to her daugher and granddaughter in law... none of us believe that she resembles her.

Is there anymore information on MK? What were her physical attributes... height, weight, hair color etc.? Does anyone know?"

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone know MK's height, weight, hair color, etc?

 

[GraceBlue]

Thank you all...ugh, not same address, still looking to see if connected in any way, thanks again

How close was the address you had in hand to 1006 Noe St? Remember, GW and GB lived in the same hotel but different room # so you never know...

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone know MK's height, weight, hair color, etc?

Those answers are in the BFH which I hope to have back in my possesion soon. I don't think that they exist anywhere else. Sorry.

 

[Gina_M]

Thanks DD!

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

So, back to posting pics of Brody in "Pictures of the Past" web sites. Has this been done? (I asked earlier today). If not, would anyone mind if I plastered GB's pictures in every Genealogy/old photo web site I can find. (That will except them?) With a very brief summary & contact info if someone recognizes him.

 

[Gina_M]

DD,
I will see if I can get Brody's myspace moving. I really have not had that many views on it. I'll do a bulletin and get more friends. I'm having a slight technical difficulty with his myspace.As soon as I get that straightened out, I'll devote some time to getting him out there a little more.

I have a lot of friends at MySpace...I just posted a bulletin hoping to get people interested in him as a possible connection to Anna's disappearance.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

So, back to posting pics of Brody in "Pictures of the Past" web sites. Has this been done? (I asked earlier today). If not, would anyone mind if I plastered GB's pictures in every Genealogy/old photo web site I can find. (That will except them?) With a very brief summary & contact info if someone recognizes him.

I believe that this was attempted, but it would never hurt to try again. Thanks for your efforts!

 

[mysteriew]

The SSDI is a funny thing, they do not have everyone that has actually died in it, even when it is a long time ago. Thats what makes this so hard, if you get a good searchable name like you did, then you can't find them, and they might be dead, and they might be Brody, it is very very frustrating. My brother passed away some time ago, and is not listed, and should be. If I were you I think I would keep checking your lead out, you never know who he could have been, if you think its worth a shot, never give up!

I have heard that the only way someone will end up on the SSDI is if the person was somehow connected to Social Security funds before or after they died. IOW, they were receiving SSA or SSI before they died or SSA burial funds were applied for.
If GB did not apply for any SSA or SSI benefits then he most likely wouldn't be on there. And a lot of persons with paranoid disorders won't apply for the benefits because they are seen as being connected to the government.

This link says it would be up to the funeral home or family to report the death to the SSDI.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm


Other reasons it might not be included.
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I have heard that the only way someone will end up on the SSDI is if the person was somehow connected to Social Security funds before or after they died. IOW, they were receiving SSA or SSI before they died or SSA burial funds were applied for.
If GB did not apply for any SSA or SSI benefits then he most likely wouldn't be on there. And a lot of persons with paranoid disorders won't apply for the benefits because they are seen as being connected to the government....

That's exactly right and my point, Thank you. To be listed in the SS death index, the person would have to had to applied for SS at one point in time. In the 1930 SF, CA census the GB I'm referring to would have been 40. He either died before he was old enough to apply, OR never applied. Also, the state of CA has some of the best death records I've ever researched. I have found every deceased relative of mine who died in CA (as early as the 20's). Even if they where not old enough to collect SS benefits, they still have all been listed in the state death records. That is why I find it odd I can't find that particular state death OR SS death index record for the GB (b. 1890 Ohio) or his wife Margaret Brody (b. 1895 New Jersey)...that moved to SF, CA in the 20's from PA. I looked in all states and can't find an exact match. He either vanished, left the country or died without any forwarding address...LOL

ETA: Even "Our" George Brody is listed in the state Death records...but not on the SSDI. (with no Birthdate...leading me to believe it COULD be him)

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I do not want to say more than this right now, but it has been confirmed by Kukoda family members that Margaret is the sister of Madlyn. We are trying now to see what information the family can provide about Brody.

Again, the dedicated researchers here at WS have come through. You folks are great. Thanks! :clap: