Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody, Part 2

[GraceBlue]

That's great news! :clap: I hope they can provide information on whoever Brody was!

 

[SherlockJr]

Doogie-

Have you or anyone else gotten in touch with Margaret Kukoda's sister/family? If not, are you planning to?

I have spoken with the wife of a relative who did not know very much. She offered that I call back in the evening when her husband gets home from work. If he doesn't know, he may be able to direct me to an even closer relative.

 

[SherlockJr]

I do not want to say more than this right now, but it has been confirmed by Kukoda family members that Margaret is the sister of Madlyn. We are trying now to see what information the family can provide about Brody.

Again, the dedicated researchers here at WS have come through. You folks are great. Thanks! :clap:

DD, is there someone else working on this angle? I don't want to make the same phone call if someone else has made a call.

 

[GraceBlue]

I have spoken with the wife of a relative who did not know very much. She offered that I call back in the evening when her husband gets home from work. If he doesn't know, he may be able to direct me to an even closer relative.

Thats great! I am sure someone knows something! Did you mention the name "Bobby" or do you plan to?

ETA Thank you for being brave enough to make the phonecall! I am also GLAD her last name is Kukoda, unusual compared to Smith or Jones...then our chance of finding her family would be slim to none!

 

[Dr. Doogie]

DD, is there someone else working on this angle? I don't want to make the same phone call if someone else has made a call.

Yes, check your email for the details. Since this other researcher has had successful contact, it would be wise to let her continue before we bombard the family with inquiries. Thanks for asking!

 

[Cubby]

I do not want to say more than this right now, but it has been confirmed by Kukoda family members that Margaret is the sister of Madlyn. We are trying now to see what information the family can provide about Brody.

Again, the dedicated researchers here at WS have come through. You folks are great. Thanks! :clap:

Wonderful news! Although, I have to admit with the two Georges being so elusive I wonder if Brody remained in contact with any of his family members during those years. Regardless his background could possibly provide some answers, including contacts of people he "socialized" with previously.Along with info on why contact ended with his family, maybe due to mental illness or some kind of criminal activity.

Changing thoughts. Has anyone ever interviewed or sought information on any of the employees/waitresses from the restaurants the two Georges frequented? I wonder if it's possible they arranged an illegal adoption through a contact in that area. Especially with GW's medical background. Perhaps he was able to obtain paperwork he could forge where the person adopting was not able to determine the paperwork was not legit. I imagine with the media attention at the time it may not be likely, however contact with someone outside the immediate area may never have seen any of the info in the media. Just a thought.
ETA: that is if the restaurants are still even there.

That and I sure wish there was some way to find out exactly where GW traveled during the days immediately after Anna went missing.

 

[GraceBlue]

After the disappointment of the negative DNA results with C just last week, this thread is getting exciting again!
-Getting in touch with MK's family
-The 2 adoptees (especially the one in Washington who had 2 older brothers!)

 

[GraceBlue]

That and I sure wish there was some way to find out exactly where GW traveled during the days immediately after Anna went missing.

Me too!

 

[Dr. Doogie]

..Has anyone ever interviewed or sought information on any of the employees/waitresses from the restaurants the two Georges frequented?...ETA: that is if the restaurants are still even there...

The only restaurants specifically mentioned were "Zim's", a chain of restaurants in SF that closed about a decade ago. We would not be able to pursue that angle.

 

[GraceBlue]

The only restaurants specifically mentioned were "Zim's", a chain of restaurants in SF that closed about a decade ago. We would not be able to pursue that angle.

Ahh, now I know why GB went to Zim's....
http://mistersf.com/sanfran/index.html?sanfranbrowns.htm

:laugh:

 

[Cubby]

The only restaurants specifically mentioned were "Zim's", a chain of restaurants in SF that closed about a decade ago. We would not be able to pursue that angle.

I found this on Zim's (although it's so dark you need pretty good eyes to read) http://content.cdlib.org/view?docId=kt4580131s&doc.view=entire_text&brand=default

Guide to the Hotel & Restaurant Employees and Bartenders International Union Records, 1974-1985

Scope and Content of Collection

This collection is comprised of leaflets, posters, newsletters and photocopied correspondence related to union activities and events in San Francisco, California. The material follows the donor order and is organized into 36 folders.


Indexing Terms

The following terms have been used to index the description of this collection in the library's online public access catalog.
Zim's (Restaurant)

Container List

Box-folder 1:1-2 ]
1974-76
[ Box-folder 1:9 ]
Zim's strike


I wonder if any names are available in the information on Zim's strike. Link's say they are available online, but the link to inquire goes to the UCSC library........


Still digging around in here....... wonder if a letter sent to any of the names would hurt. Perhaps someone remembers something.

The son, Steve Zimmerman, of the Zim' who owned the restaurant is also listed as a Realtor who specializes in restauraunt sales. Wonder if he has a list of former employee's anywhere.

 

[Cubby]

http://www.bloggard.com/blog/member/2

http://tinyurl.com/2ny97z


We took turns taking breaks in Zim's restaurant, the coffee shop in the corner of the lobby, where a repeating crew of regulars assembled every night. There was a lucid and intelligent fellow who held forth every night on politics and current events, and the regular waitresses, Henry, myself, Lonesome Chuck or Mr. Slocum the security guys, Earnest the janitor, and another handful of night-time eccentrics.


Wonder if this was Brody and what else he might have discussed.

 

[natasha-cupcake]

http://www.bloggard.com/blog/member/2

http://tinyurl.com/2ny97z


We took turns taking breaks in Zim's restaurant, the coffee shop in the corner of the lobby, where a repeating crew of regulars assembled every night. There was a lucid and intelligent fellow who held forth every night on politics and current events, and the regular waitresses, Henry, myself, Lonesome Chuck or Mr. Slocum the security guys, Earnest the janitor, and another handful of night-time eccentrics.


Wonder if this was Brody and what else he might have discussed.

Interesting! I can't see who wrote this entry (clueless me!). If there is some sort of contact info, then maybe we should forward pics of Brody and GW to this blogger and see if they are recognized. If the time period fits, that is.

 

[GraceBlue]

http://www.bloggard.com/blog/member/2

http://tinyurl.com/2ny97z


We took turns taking breaks in Zim's restaurant, the coffee shop in the corner of the lobby, where a repeating crew of regulars assembled every night. There was a lucid and intelligent fellow who held forth every night on politics and current events, and the regular waitresses, Henry, myself, Lonesome Chuck or Mr. Slocum the security guys, Earnest the janitor, and another handful of night-time eccentrics.


Wonder if this was Brody and what else he might have discussed.

Wow Cubby! You are GOOD!

 

[SherlockJr]

http://www.bloggard.com/blog/member/2

http://tinyurl.com/2ny97z


We took turns taking breaks in Zim's restaurant, the coffee shop in the corner of the lobby, where a repeating crew of regulars assembled every night. There was a lucid and intelligent fellow who held forth every night on politics and current events, and the regular waitresses, Henry, myself, Lonesome Chuck or Mr. Slocum the security guys, Earnest the janitor, and another handful of night-time eccentrics.


Wonder if this was Brody and what else he might have discussed.

This blogger also writes: "Fine with me. I'd found the courses in Creative Writing both helped and interfered with my writing, so I dropped out, found the Apartment from Hell, and located a job as part-time night auditor at the Westbury Hotel, downtown just off Union Square."

Gee, this must be where the BFH came from!

 

[Dr. Doogie]

The blogger states that this occured at a Zim's in the lobby of the Westbury Hotel near Union Square in 1974. This is the right time and place for it to have been Brody. The blogger's profile lists a phone number - I will call him soon and see if he might be able to identify Brody (not that this will advance our investigation, but it would be interesting to get another take on GB).

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Holy cow! I stepped out for half a day and you WSers have found alot! What a great group! All this info in so many directions, excellent excellent work! I am still working (fruitless so far) angles of Brody in the SF area, hopefully it will match up to all of this!

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I do not want to say more than this right now, but it has been confirmed by Kukoda family members that Margaret is the sister of Madlyn. We are trying now to see what information the family can provide about Brody.

Again, the dedicated researchers here at WS have come through. You folks are great. Thanks! :clap:

Confirmed that she had a sister named Margaret (obvious), or confirmed that she was in fact GB "friend"?

 

[SherlockJr]

Confirmed that she had a sister named Margaret (obvious), or confirmed that she was in fact GB "friend"?

At one time there was question as to which Kukoda family Margaret belonged to. It is now confirmed that the person we had planned to approach is indeed Margaret's sister. It is also confirmed that Margaret did have a boyfriend at the time of her death in 1967 and another WS'er is in the process of confirming the photo of Brody as her boyfriend. Once that is confirmed we hopefully will find out his name if it is not Brody.

 

[GraceBlue]

At one time there was question as to which Kukoda family Margaret belonged to. It is now confirmed that the person we had planned to approach is indeed Margaret's sister. It is also confirmed that Margaret did have a boyfriend at the time of her death in 1967 and another WS'er is in the process of confirming the photo of Brody as her boyfriend. Once that is confirmed we hopefully will find out his name if it is not Brody.

Sleepless in Florida here...WOW! That is wonderful!!! Thanks for sharing that news!