Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody, Part 2

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Interested Woman,
Have you read the book by the Lawson woman who was at People's Temple as was most of her family? (sorry I can't remember her first name at the moment). If you haven't, you might be interested in it. I thought it was a great book. And I remember these names you're mentioning from being in the book, also.

Hey Laini, Are you referring to the book, Seductive Poison by Debra Layton? If so, no, I haven't read it yet. I wrote to Debra Layton 4 times now. 2 e-mail and 2 snail mail (one to her & one to her publisher) and they will not respond to me. I'm a little perturbed, so I haven't spent the money on the book. I may see if it's at the local library.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I really don't know what to think at this point. I feel like I should back off. As I said last week I was starting to get some good response from ex-members of the Peoples Temple when I was asking about the Talley family. All in all, every response told me that they where absolutely certain that the Brady kids where in fact biological children of Michaeleen Patricia Brady. I thought I was building a good repoire with them, so I took the plunge and wrote a fairly detailed summary on the history of Anna Waters and the possible George Waters and George Brody abduction theory. I also attached 2 pictures of Anna and told them a few reason why I thought she might have been in Jonestown...(Evergreen Cemetery- GB connection, cyanide poison/suicide- Waters connection, socialism, etc...) After I sent that letter, all correspondence has stopped. I have a bad feeling.

 

[mysteriew]

At the time that George said that about the tot- how close in time was that to the People's Temple?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

At the time that George said that about the tot- how close in time was that to the People's Temple?

I asked that several times, and the only person who would know for sure is Mr. Ford. Annasmom said she thought it was within the first several months of her disappearance, but didn't know for absolute certain. The mass death/suicide in Jonestown was November 18, 1978. There where 408 people, (mostly children) who where never identified. They where buried in a mass grave in Evergreen cemetery in Oakland, CA (Where Brody was cremated) According to Fielding McGehee III (one of the experts on Jonestown I've been in contact with), no data of any kind was taken from these children for future reference. No hair/tissue/blood samples, and no post mortem pictures. They, (as in our government officials) just buried them all together in one huge grave. What a tragedy.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I asked that several times, and the only person who would know for sure is Mr. Ford. Annasmom said she thought it was within the first several months of her disappearance, but didn't know for absolute certain.

I found a previous post by Joe Ford where he indicates that it occured sometime between 1973 and 1975, which would put it prior to the Jonestown suicide. When I get the BFH back, I can confirm this from the postmark on the envelope.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Thanks for looking that up Doogie, I couldn't find anywhere Mr. Ford had posted that, I must have overlooked it.

Also one PT person wrote the following response to a previous e-mail I had written, where I had very briefly mentioned names of Anna & the 2 Georges...but went in depth on the Talley family. This person never responded to my last letter, so I don't know "Which" families they are referring to. I'd give my left arm to search these records but since I'm stuck in NE I don't see that happening. Just thought I'd throw it out there in case someone had a day to spend in SF, CA.

There are some files on the families you mentioned in the Peoples Temple collection at the California Historical Society [on Mission Street in San Francisco] in the personal records of MS 3800 as well as additional photos among the photography collections. I think you would have to go to CHS to do this research. There may be copies of birth certificates among the papers that would help with identifications.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

I need to ask a basic question here, what color were George Brody's eyes? The pictures appear to be brown (but they are black and white photos) so it's hard to tell. I am looking at an idea of ancestry for a few reasons that might give us a link to identity. Any idea for certain? perhaps Annasmom remembers? Thanks

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I have contacted the blogger and he has no specific memories of the man in Zim's beyond what he posted. He was a very nice man, but cannot give us any additional information. I know as for myself, I may remember an incident from thirty years ago, but I certainly couldn't give a physical description or remember any specific details about the people involved.

 

[Cubby]

I have contacted the blogger and he has no specific memories of the man in Zim's beyond what he posted. He was a very nice man, but cannot give us any additional information. I know as for myself, I may remember an incident from thirty years ago, but I certainly couldn't give a physical description or remember any specific details about the people involved.

Thanks for checking this out......

 

[Annasmom]

I need to ask a basic question here, what color were George Brody's eyes? The pictures appear to be brown (but they are black and white photos) so it's hard to tell. I am looking at an idea of ancestry for a few reasons that might give us a link to identity. Any idea for certain? perhaps Annasmom remembers? Thanks

Yes. He had pale blue eyes.

 

[Cubby]

Yes. He had pale blue eyes.

What is the status with contacting Margaret Kukoda's sister?

 

[Tuffy101]

Someone refresh my memory did George go to Oxford and what did he study what years....???? or show me that thread

 

[Annasmom]

Someone refresh my memory did George go to Oxford and what did he study what years....???? or show me that thread

No, Princeton..English, then medical school.

 

[NJshrink]

Hi guys, I'm not sure if I'm posting in the correct thread but here goes...I was looking at an old post about George Waters, Jr. missing from The Royal Canadian Air Force. It referenced him formerly working in WI as an auditor and his father George Sr. as working as a probation officer also in WI. It seemed odd that one would have joined a foreign military in those years unless one wouldn't be allowed to due to something unsavory in one's history. If George Sr. were in probation might he have helped son leave the US? The picture of St. George H. Waters, Jr. looks like a young George Brody from my untrained eyes. In addition, there is a follw-up letter from an Iris M. Waltham to George, Sr. claiming she was in touch with a Mrs. Logan who claimed that the air ministry received communication from Germany about a body washed ashore. It is hard to believe that during WWII Germany would have taken the time to notify about "deaths" to foreign military. I think this whole death/disappearance was a ruse. It even references the poor woman (Mrs. Logan) who had a baby at the time. Since I am also working on the Anna-Bouslog-Davis missing thread, it is interesting that she also went missing in WWII as a nurse and there is some references on her sight to the Philippines and also Germany. Do I remember correctly a reference to the Philippines with Anna's dad being born there? Presuming any of this is true, it is interesting that this man may have trained as a pilot (back to my earlier theory of abortion and later baby selling rings with pilots and nurses being essential to both. To be continued...

 

[Annasmom]

Hi guys, I'm not sure if I'm posting in the correct thread but here goes...I was looking at an old post about George Waters, Jr. missing from The Royal Canadian Air Force. It referenced him formerly working in WI as an auditor and his father George Sr. as working as a probation officer also in WI. It seemed odd that one would have joined a foreign military in those years unless one wouldn't be allowed to due to something unsavory in one's history. If George Sr. were in probation might he have helped son leave the US? The picture of St. George H. Waters, Jr. looks like a young George Brody from my untrained eyes. In addition, there is a follw-up letter from an Iris M. Waltham to George, Sr. claiming she was in touch with a Mrs. Logan who claimed that the air ministry received communication from Germany about a body washed ashore. It is hard to believe that during WWII Germany would have taken the time to notify about "deaths" to foreign military. I think this whole death/disappearance was a ruse. It even references the poor woman (Mrs. Logan) who had a baby at the time. Since I am also working on the Anna-Bouslog-Davis missing thread, it is interesting that she also went missing in WWII as a nurse and there is some references on her sight to the Philippines and also Germany. Do I remember correctly a reference to the Philippines with Anna's dad being born there? Presuming any of this is true, it is interesting that this man may have trained as a pilot (back to my earlier theory of abortion and later baby selling rings with pilots and nurses being essential to both. To be continued...

George Waters was not a "Junior", his father's name was not George, he was never in the armed services, never went to Canada. I really don't understand this post. There is absolutely no possibility that this family is not who they say they are.

 

[NJshrink]

I am only hypothesizing ...weren"t George Water's parents missionaries? Were they in the Philippines? Did George Water's parents bring back a child while in the Philippines?

 

[Annasmom]

I am only hypothesizing ...weren"t George Water's parents missionaries? Were they in the Philippines? Did George Water's parents bring back a child while in the Philippines?

Because I do not wish to add to this family's tragedy or to intrude upon their privacy any more than this search has already done, I will simply tell you that I am completely aware of the family history on both sides--from birth, in most cases, and that the random facts you present as being possibly pertinent to our case are just that--random--and have no bearing on or connection to the families concerned with the search for Anna. I appreciate your brainstorming on the matter, but this is a different family you are looking at. You have only to Google the name to see that it is anything but an uncommon name.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

What is the status with contacting Margaret Kukoda's sister?

I sent a detailed email today and recieved a phone call from one of Margaret's relatives. He is being very helpful and gracious in his efforts to assist us. He personally did not know Margaret, but his mother is Margaret's sister. He is going to ask his mother some new questions based on our conversation today and will be getting back with the answers. We have already received some interesting information, but there are all sorts of new questions being raised. I want to wait until we fill in some of the gaps before I report what we find.

 

[Cubby]

I sent a detailed email today and recieved a phone call from one of Margaret's relatives. He is being very helpful and gracious in his efforts to assist us. He personally did not know Margaret, but his mother is Margaret's sister. He is going to ask his mother some new questions based on our conversation today and will be getting back with the answers. We have already received some interesting information, but there are all sorts of new questions being raised. I want to wait until we fill in some of the gaps before I report what we find.

Thank's for the update. Will be awaiting more info.

I wonder if with GB's belief that Anna was Margaret reincarnated, perhaps he somehow convinced GW to allow her adoption or convinced him she would be better off somewhere into Margarets family. Especially with his bizare behavior relating to his belief Annasmom was "in love" with GB. It would be interesting to know if they have any adopted females close to Annas age. A strange theory, but..............

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I wonder if with GB's belief that Anna was Margaret reincarnated, perhaps he somehow convinced GW to allow her adoption or convinced him she would be better off somewhere into Margarets family. Especially with his bizare behavior relating to his belief Annasmom was "in love" with GB. It would be interesting to know if they have any adopted females close to Annas age. A strange theory, but..............

Not too strange of a theory - I discussed this exact possibility with the Kukoda relative yesterday (in particular, in reference to a specific Kukoda family member who is the same age as Anna and lived within fifteen miles of where Anna disappeared from at one point in her life). He stated that the woman in question was his niece and he remembers when she was born, so she is not Anna. He did state that there was one female family member who was adopted, but that she was at least ten years older than Anna.

The relative is very open and honest with his information. He is helping us by providing information, but also providing us answers to questions that we would have spent months researching, only to come up with dead ends. By helping us eliminate these "red herrings", we will be able to focus our research on those areas that still hold promise.