Theory - Illegal Adoption was EJ's Plan A
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Thanks so much for posting that. I didn't even think to check there. But sure nuff, that documents says EJ was arrested.
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I'm not convinced that TPS wasn't still looking for a way to get Gabriel through the "back door"--passing the child through the adoption underground, maybe relocating to a new neighborhood or town, even a new state, and then getting him "back."
After reading the below, I am now doubtful EJ was in jail after her arrest on 12/9/09. Per the below site the charge for false reporting to L.E. is a class 1 misdemeanor.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/02907-01.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
Ok, I know this is going to sound crazy...but I'm going to throw it out there. Why does GB have to be adopted ?? Isn't adoptions and guardianship's just to make things legal?? Say after the debacle in AZ, maybe she found someone, or someone else found someone for her, that she could trust and just give GB to. No paper trail...This person could live in an area who has never heard of this case and GB would not be noticed or no one would be questioned ??? What would give way to GB except his SS #, and at what point would that be an issue ???? Say I was that person, everybody knows everybody in my town, and if someone asked why I had him, I could just say I'm taking care of him for my neice.I know...far fetched!
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I don't think it sounds that farfetched. So many people have asked how he could be hidden, but I don't feel like it would be that hard to hide a baby, if you just give some thought on precautions to take. If he was given to someone that doesn't care about an adoption taking place, just having a child, something like that could have happened.
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I don't think this is that far fetched.
I don't know that an SS# would come into play until Gabe was ready to go to school. And I'm not sure if schools actually run SS#'s. It's possible they could just put some random SS# down and it wouldn't be looked into. When Gabe is old enough to work and file taxes, it might become a real problem.
I'm not sure how they would handle medical care though. Not sure how they would get him on insurance or anything, but maybe there are ways around that. Or heck, one of them could be a Dr. or know a Dr. that would care for Gabe "under the table".
Hi. I'm new posting but have been reading for a while. The medical issue has been my question, too. If Gabriel is in the States and 1) being held until someone can claim him; 2) "adopted" by some other person; Gabriel has to have medical care. Even if he doesn't get sick - which I can't imagine 8-11 month baby not getting sick, he will need is regular check ups. How do you get this past a doctor's office? Don't you have to provide medical history? Even if you say you adopted, won't they ask for medical history? Can you just say "we don't know"? Wouldn't that be a flag to the doctor?
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Welcome to Websleuths, rekabal! Good to have you here
I think someone could just not get routine medical care, and if the baby got very sick, take him to an emergency room, where the focus would be on the baby's immediate medical crisis. Lack of medical records could be passed off and distracted from. "Oh we just rushed here and we just moved into town - I didn't even bring my purse with me! I think I may have lost his medical and shot records in the move! Is he okay, doctor? What's wrong with him?". A particularly manipulative person might even be able to convince a doctor to bring the baby's shots up to date.
At some point though, I would think lack of regular medical care and shots etc would be bound to start causing health problems that a doctor or nurse would start questioning. But then, whoever had Gabe could just move out of town.
Well howdy rekabal...glad you joined us....I certainly agree in regards to medical care. I can say I have an adoptive daughter, and when medical history comes up, we just say adopted, no history known. Never been questioned....
BeanE and Kappy, thanks for the information. That is disappointing to know. I was hoping that could be a flag to find Gabe.
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Sorry rekabal. A person could always wait a few months, until Gabe isn't as recognizable and go to a clinic for the shots, and keep the records...possibly going clinic to clinic for the shots. Also, in TX, when you start school you can claim an exemption from vaccines...saying it's for religious reasons.
A person could always wait a few months, until Gabe isn't as recognizable and go to a clinic for the shots, and keep the records...possibly going clinic to clinic for the shots. Also, in TX, when you start school you can claim an exemption from vaccines...saying it's for religious reasons.
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BeanE and Kappy, thanks for the information. That is disappointing to know. I was hoping that could be a flag to find Gabe.
I think it definitely could be a flag, rekabal. There are ways to avoid it, but at some point, without adequate, regular medical care, the chances of someone seeing the situation was suspicious would increase. And the more risks whoever has Gabe takes, the higher the chance of them being caught.
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Welcome to Websleuths, rekabal! Good to have you here
I think someone could just not get routine medical care, and if the baby got very sick, take him to an emergency room, where the focus would be on the baby's immediate medical crisis. Lack of medical records could be passed off and distracted from. "Oh we just rushed here and we just moved into town - I didn't even bring my purse with me! I think I may have lost his medical and shot records in the move! Is he okay, doctor? What's wrong with him?". A particularly manipulative person might even be able to convince a doctor to bring the baby's shots up to date.
At some point though, I would think lack of regular medical care and shots etc would be bound to start causing health problems that a doctor or nurse would start questioning. But then, whoever had Gabe could just move out of town.
ITA. That's why I suggested that one of the people who has Gabe might be a Dr. or know someone who is a Dr. that would keep things quiet and still administer medical care to Gabriel. I'd like to add to that now and say that it could even just be someone who has medical background and/or access to supplies like immunizations, prescription notepads, etc.
In a worse scenario, these people did not want Gabriel to love as their own, but are using him for nefarious purposes, in which case, they would not care a lick about his medical care.
I'm very concerned about Gabriel's situation. My son had to see his Dr. every 2 months until he was 9 months old, and now he doesn't have to go again until his 1st birthday. At 8 or 9 months, they typically receive the last of their immunizations until they are 12 months. At 12 months, they receive more immunizations including their MMR.
Since Gabriel went missing before 8 months, I'd wager a guess that he is overdue for some of these immunizations already.
The immunizations don't concern me as much as the thought that his progress is not being followed by a Dr. The first year is SO important on many levels. Dr's chart the child's growth patterns based on their own curve and also what would be normal for a child their age. They watch to make sure they are growing in length, weight, and head size properly. If the baby is not following his/her curve properly, it can be an indicator of different problems that should be looked into. They also keep an eye on nutrition and things like if they have good fat layering, if they are on par with their milestones, etc.
Gabriel went missing at a time when many babies start having seperation anxiety, are learning object permanence (meaning they know a person or object still exists even though they can't see it), and tend to become clingy to one or both parents. I'm concerned about how this has effected him mentally and emotionally.
BTW, Welcome to WS Rekabal!!! Glad to have you join us.
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Very good question, Kappy. And that leads me to another question. How easy would it be to Dr. those papers to change some of Gabriel's information, such as his name, etc.?
what if he was adopted out through an underground adoption ring, wouldn't they more than likely have provisions for medical care and the ability to alter birth/medical records? i would think that any underground illegal activity group would definitely try and cover all their bases so as not to bring attention to themselves.
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Gabriel went missing at a time when many babies start having seperation anxiety, are learning object permanence (meaning they know a person or object still exists even though they can't see it), and tend to become clingy to one or both parents. I'm concerned about how this has effected him mentally and emotionally.
BTW, Welcome to WS Rekabal!!! Glad to have you join us.[/QUOTE]
Based on what we have heard of how EJ treated Gabe, and the somberness of Gabriel's last photos in the motel room, he might bond quickly to anyone who gives him proper care and affection. It sounds like he got very little true, natural affection from his mother. That is another aspect of this case, the possibility he will suffer if taken from the new "parents", due to his development stage and age. Of course, I want him to be with his Dad, but the longer this goes, he may possibly forget his biological family, or is that possible?
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Based on what we have heard of how EJ treated Gabe, and the somberness of Gabriel's last photos in the motel room, he might bond quickly to anyone who gives him proper care and affection. It sounds like he got very little true, natural affection from his mother. That is another aspect of this case, the possibility he will suffer if taken from the new "parents", due to his development stage and age. Of course, I want him to be with his Dad, but the longer this goes, he may possibly forget his biological family, or is that possible?
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We know from TS that he was current with all his shots, because that seemed to be the litmus test for a good parent to HER!
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Yes, she did say that. However, I don't just automatically trust any info she gives. I do think she was telling the truth about this, but I hesitate to put 100% stock in anything that spews from her mouth.
Either way, if whoever has Gabe has not provided medical care for him, he is most likely already overdue for more immunizations.
I like your comment about the shots being up to date meaning to TS that EJ was a good parent.
I think it was more likely that EJ had him up to date because she thought it would help her "sell" him, either literally, or figuratively.
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