If it's an underground adoption/human trafficking than JM wouldn't have to still be in the adoption business since whatever happened wasn't legal-she could of had the connections from before and could of known who to call in a situation like this-especially if she was under the false impression that LM was a danger to Gabriel.
Theory - Is JM a Possible Middle Man Connection?
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BeanE
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That's true, but what we're doing here is seeing if we can find any factual indication that she may have been involved in any wrongdoing.
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This site still lists JM as a home study provider with her current cell number.
http://www.onetruegift.com/home-study-providers/tn
Also found a couple of indications of another adoption company with JM as principal:
http://dnb.powerprofiles.com/profile/842670254/JANET+MORRIS+ADOPTION+CON-MOUNT+JULIET-TN
http://www.yellowpages.com/info-26042104/Janet-Morris-Adoption-Con?lid=26042104
http://www.manta.com/c/mm06snq/janet-morris-adoption-con
I also still find Adoption Place listings but with a different principal named.
And by doing the math, since the yellowpages listing shows the JMAC as starting in 2000, and the dnb listing showing she's been in business for 10 to 20 years, it stands to reason that she is STILL in the adoption business! :waitasec:
And JM must not own the (Nashville) property she lists for her business (which is residential), or has it in trust to hide her ownership, because the property assessor shows it is owned by a trustee in GA since 1993.
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I know there are a lot of listings on the internet. There are listings all over the internet for companies that have been out of business for years. So the listings don't tell us if she's doing adoption work, or when she stopped if she indeed stopped.
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That math is over my head. JMAC starting in 2000 tells me that she advertised it at some time as having started in 2000. Doesn't mean it did start in 2000. Doesn't mean it ever made it further.
For dnb, having been in business for 10 -20 years doesn't tell me she's still in business.
It would not surprise me to find out I'm stupid. It's happened to me a time or two in my life. But can you please explain to me what I'm not getting?
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I agree, although I put a little more faith in those companies that have a DUNs number because I used DUNs reports to research companies all the time in my profession. Of course, I'd have to purchase the report to really see how much info is in there.
I believe these listings are merely potential indicators that she is still in the adoption business, not confirmation.
Ok, here's my thinking. When you look at the source coding of the dnb listing, it shows as 2010 profiles, which I assume means it is a current listing for her. But, you know what they say about assuming.... :silenced:
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The only thing I see in the source is the html to display "Build 1.4.0 © 2010 PowerProfiles.com, LLC" at the bottom of the page. It's the version of the software with the copyright to show they own the software, I think.
My mistake - I got distracted by someone and missed part of that. I saw the 2010 power profiles.... Guess I need more sleep.... :banghead:
Ok, cleared my head, here's an interesting JM tidbit, that gets me to thinking:
In Adoption Place, Inc. v. Doe, TN case #20071205_0001730.TN, Date: 2007-12-05, it shows:
"*fn7 Notarized by Janet L. Morris" (snipped)
1) If JM was a principal in the Adoption Place, she should not have notarized ANY of their documents. A notary is legally bound to not have a financial interest in anything they notarize. So why was she notarizing?
2) In an NG interview on January 13, TS is talking about her conversation with EJ and she says:
"And she said that she went ahead and signed the papers. She signed custody over to them and I asked her, was it notarized? She said no. And she said she put the baby in the car seat and they walked out the door with him." (snipped)
Why would TS be concerned if the documents were notarized? A notary doesn't guarantee the legitimacy of a document, a notary only verifies the signer's identity, so the documents wouldn't have mattered if they were notarized or not from a legal standpoint.
So, did TS think that notarizing the documents made them legal because she knew that JM was notarizing the adoption documents for the Adoption Place, and had been expecting JM to notarize EJ's paperwork?
The other thing about notaries, they can only legally notarize paperwork in the state in which they have their commission. Since JM's commission is in TN, she couldn't have legally notarized EJ's documents, anyway...unless....
There just happens to be a JLM who is a commissioned notary in the state of TX. Could it be the same person? And if so, doesn't that tie the knot tighter?
In Adoption Place, Inc. v. Doe, TN case #20071205_0001730.TN, Date: 2007-12-05, it shows:
"*fn7 Notarized by Janet L. Morris" (snipped)
1) If JM was a principal in the Adoption Place, she should not have notarized ANY of their documents. A notary is legally bound to not have a financial interest in anything they notarize. So why was she notarizing?
2) In an NG interview on January 13, TS is talking about her conversation with EJ and she says:
"And she said that she went ahead and signed the papers. She signed custody over to them and I asked her, was it notarized? She said no. And she said she put the baby in the car seat and they walked out the door with him." (snipped)
Why would TS be concerned if the documents were notarized? A notary doesn't guarantee the legitimacy of a document, a notary only verifies the signer's identity, so the documents wouldn't have mattered if they were notarized or not from a legal standpoint.
So, did TS think that notarizing the documents made them legal because she knew that JM was notarizing the adoption documents for the Adoption Place, and had been expecting JM to notarize EJ's paperwork?
The other thing about notaries, they can only legally notarize paperwork in the state in which they have their commission. Since JM's commission is in TN, she couldn't have legally notarized EJ's documents, anyway...unless....
There just happens to be a JLM who is a commissioned notary in the state of TX. Could it be the same person? And if so, doesn't that tie the knot tighter?
BeanE
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In your #1, you mention a financial interest. Does it apply to non-profits like Adoption Place? If JM illegally notarized the documents for the past court case, how would that indicate wrongdoing on her part in relation to what happened Gabe?
In your #2, is it the same person?
If it is the same person, how would being a notary indicate wrongdoing on JM's part in relation to what happened to Gabe? Do we have a document regarding Gabe that JM notarized, or is it something else?
Ok, I guess the way I worded it might have indicated wrongdoing on her part related to Gabriel.
What I meant to say is that I was theorizing that TS was expecting JM to notarize EJ's documents, since she was notarizing the docs for the Adoption Place, and was surprised that they weren't notarized (even though notarizing any documents wouldn't have made them legal). Which would tie JM and TS to "the adoption" of Gabe. :banghead:
And I don't know if the TX notary is the same person or not. I'm going to do some searching to see if yes or no.
BeanE
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Okay
I'm worn out tonight so I was having trouble following it. I see what you're saying. Yes, it could be that in their conversations JM stressed having the papers notarized was important. Speaking of which. Those temporary guardianship papers. Were they notarized? I'm thinking they were. We should peek at who the notary is if so.
ther_beatingA_DeadIf there's a notary on the temp guardianship papers, is that someone from the courts? I would still love to know what adoption agency TS and JS planned to use if the adoption of G had successfully gone through. The fact that TS contacted JM prior to the Dec. timeframe in order to ask if she was still handling placements suggests that TS mnay have been planning to use JM--that is as long as JM's answer to the question was "Yes." If not JM, then TS should be made to say who they had retained because they certainly couldn't have planned to adopt anytime soon and not have made contact with someone. If notaries were employed by the same companies making all these arrangements and having a vested interest in seeing them through to successful completion, the conflicting interests (putting your seal on a document to say that the right proof has been shown and that the doc is legally true vs. being someone who is aware that proof has not been shown and the intended action of the doc is not legal) suggest the opportunity for some serious wrongdoing.
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I don't know if it's true in all states, but I know in my state, notaries have nothing to do with whether or not a document is legally true. All a notary does is verify the IDENTITY of the signer - they are not legal professionals, and therefore do not read the documents that are being signed.
No real confirmation, except for JM's post. The time frame from 12/13/09-12/18/09 was not a pageant but according to the post below, it was a meeting getting ready for their "2010 World's Universal Beauty Scholarship Competition" in San Marcos, TX which is located between Austin and San Antonio.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...+Reserve+Your+Room!"&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
http://wyfolm1.tripod.com/index.html
http://ourlittlemiss.com/
Please note *King Red Productions* King Red Records * King Red TV from the page above.
Below is a video from King Red TV. Our Little Miss Scholarship Competetion Community Service Projects. One of the first pictures is showing a sign "Working Against Violence" "Providing Domestic Violence and Sexual Programs". Another picture shows an Emergency Foster Home. I wonder if they took EJ and Gabe in?
http://www.veoh.com/collection/KINGREDTV/watch/v6814264tfdQwfjy#watch=v6980322by598ZzN
There's a chapter of OLM in AZ and in Ft. Lauderdale as well. Are these all coincidences? 2 people from "The Adoption Group" Board are also showing up within "Our Little Miss Scholarship Competition" organization. Another coincidence?
Please note *King Red Productions* King Red Records * King Red TV from the page above.
Below is a video from King Red TV. Our Little Miss Scholarship Competetion Community Service Projects. One of the first pictures is showing a sign "Working Against Violence" "Providing Domestic Violence and Sexual Programs". Another picture shows an Emergency Foster Home. I wonder if they took EJ and Gabe in?
http://www.veoh.com/collection/KINGREDTV/watch/v6814264tfdQwfjy#watch=v6980322by598ZzN
There's a chapter of OLM in AZ and in Ft. Lauderdale as well. Are these all coincidences? 2 people from "The Adoption Group" Board are also showing up within "Our Little Miss Scholarship Competition" organization. Another coincidence?
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