They have a verdict!!!!!!!!!

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  • #781
I just made this almost exact statement to my dtr a few minutes ago........

ALL 12 people think she did NOTHING wrong???I cannot comprehend this, it's just not logical..... I could see a hung jury but all 12 jurors think she did nothing wrong?????????????????

I heard Beth K tell a little while ago when the jury came in, the juror #11 looked very upset.
She said, IHO, that it looked like he did not agree with what was about to be told.

Beats me ~

I just don't see how they could not look at the 31 days!!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #782
yeah CM-She won't need them anymore..she will be living high with all the blood money she'll make off killing her daughter!

Even tho Jose 'saved' KC, maybe he will be next on her list, after all, he did call her a sl*t!

If I was LDB or JA, I'd be lookin' over my shoulder for a long, long time.
 
  • #783
Look i think they are gonna think they made wrong decision tomm! why because they do not know everything that we know! i cant even imagine what the jurors will face. I say STERALIZE casey!!!! mooo!!!!!
 
  • #784
I was looking forward to KC spending some hard time in a real prison instead of jail.

Yeah...even those who admit to murder like Maya D. go to prison, so I guess it's better to lie, lie lie. I am so very angry right now...but I know the minute my husband walks thru that door I will begin sobbing...and the really sad thing is, my husband thought I was a nutcase to follow this...so no support there.
 
  • #785
I'm still trying to figure this all out. How did this happen??!!!!
 
  • #786
You know, the biggest problem I have is that even if I give the jury the benefit of the doubt regarding their inability to agree on an intentional act (1st degree) or even proof of cause of death, I do not see how at least one of them didn't say, "How do we know that Caylee would not have been revived had ICA called 911?" I don't believe for a minute they believed the George involvement story. So, that leaves them having accepted the accident as at least possible. Okay -- how do you get around that obvious question?

At the very least, that makes her guilty of negligence. At worst, it's certainly criminal negligence leading to the death of her child. Not one person even thought of that? I would think a hung jury at best if it had come up. Just shaking my head.
 
  • #787
only "reasonable" doubt. Again, our jury selection process is flawed. Nothing is ever without any doubt. Cases have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt and to evaluate that you need reasonable people and I do think IMO that's what was lacking here. Most cases only have circumstantial evidence and, in fact, it is generally viewed as more reliable than eyewitness testimony/evidence which has been found to be surprisingly inacurrate. So, I am not going to fault the prosecution here. IMO the jury wanted out and to convict would have required much more time and evidence evaluation to determine which level of responsibility she had for Caylees death. But, to find she bore NO responsibility is not, IMO, a reasonable decision under any circumstances. Parents have been held responsible for childrens deaths in cases where they did things must less egregious than what Casey did. Sorry, but I have no respect for the jury at this time. Perhaps if they have some explanation for what they did that could change, but it's not likely.



I wrote a post under this thread, maybe on page 2 or 3, thanking everyone here for 'being there' for me during the past 3 years because family and friends just don't quite 'get it'.

I clicked the POST REPLY button and that was the last time I was able to see any posts until about 10 minutes ago....server for WS was too busy.
In other words, I'm a little late to the topic.
I had to listen, in shock, to the verdict all by myself without my support system (WS) to fall back on.

This morning my husband told me to be prepared.
He said "I hope you can prepare your heart now for the verdict today (somehow he knew the verdict would be revealed today)."

When I asked him what he meant he told me he was 99% sure that Casey would NOT get charged for the worst of charges against her.

He told me the Pros case was too much circumstantial, not enough 'meat'.
He went over their case almost point by point and then explained how how the Def. was able to go through loop-holes to get around those points.

I should have listened.
I should have done as husband said and prepared my heart.

About a half hour ago I got an email from hubby (he's at work) and told me not to blame the jury.
The jury, each member, was given a list of questions they had to ask themselves.
They had to be true to not only themselves with the answers but true to our court system, the public, their Higher Power (if they have one).

If each juror had even the slightest, the tiniest, the most minute nagging doubt, they HAD to go with their heart....with their own truth. That's our justice system.

I keep re-reading my husband's email, trying to think this whole thing through logically and Not with my heart. I've even asked questions of myself, playing devil's advocate.
I'm having a hard time.

I'm just rambling now.
I'm just trying to understand.
 
  • #788
Just heartbroken. I feel like I should have no faith in the system. I physically feel like I got beat with a bag of oranges.

All I can think is why? I want one of the jurors, even if they blur their appearence so they are not recognized, to explain to me why? Thirty one days...and this is the best they could come up with? Decomp, and it's not guilty? Tell me why!
 
  • #789
I get that most people feel that she is guilty, because she probably is.

But you can't convict someone in a court of law on a personal opinion, which I am very much thankful for.

I'm also happy to see 12 jurors actually base their verdict on the actual evidence, instead of just voting along with their emotion and public opinion.

Again, I do feel like she is probably guilty, but the evidence just wasn't there to convict. It just wasn't presented beyond a reasonable doubt.

For all of the people calling the jurors cowards and all of that nonsense, all I can do is shake my head. These people are going to have to deal with this for the rest of their lives. Do you really think that they think she is 100% innocent? Of course not. But they couldn't say that the prosecution proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. They gave their verdict based on how our court system is supposed to work, which I am actually very thankful for. I'm sure they are extremely upset, as would I be. But they did what they were supposed to by law, without voting based on their gut feelings.

And for the people suggesting that there should be some type of street-justice enacted against this family, all I can do is shake my head at that too.

This is actually why the justice system works. No one should be sent to jail for the rest of their lives, or even death, based on a bunch of hunches and personal opinions.

How do you know what the jury based their verdict on? I believe they didn't even ask to see the evidence...they didn't review it or go over it properly. They had their minds made up yesterday after a few hours and came in today dressed and ready to give the verdict. They should have rewatched the tapes, they should have touched, looked at, opened the evidence! All that hard work for 3 years in vain. This is not proof that the justice system works- just the opposite, this is proof of how flawed the justice system is.

They should have been allowed to see and know how Casey reacted to the remains that were found not on Suburban drive compared to her reaction to when remains were found ON Suburban...before they were identified.

They should have been allowed to hear that she stole money from her grandmother and was confronted by Cindy about it.

They should have looked over every single pieces of evidence that was presented to them.

Our justice system is VERY flawed when a child can be bagged up and thrown in a swamp and the mother does not report it and goes partying for a month. The problem with this justice system is just how much the Defendant gets protected and how much evidence can be hidden away because it is "prejudicial". I'm so sick.

I didn't even think she should get the Death Penalty per se, but I cannot believe that she wasn't convicted on any other charge when her child clearly is DEAD, found in a garbage bag in a swamp!
 
  • #790
I wrote a post under this thread, maybe on page 2 or 3, thanking everyone here for 'being there' for me during the past 3 years because family and friends just don't quite 'get it'.

I clicked the POST REPLY button and that was the last time I was able to see any posts until about 10 minutes ago....server for WS was too busy.
In other words, I'm a little late to the topic.
I had to listen, in shock, to the verdict all by myself without my support system (WS) to fall back on.

This morning my husband told me to be prepared.
He said "I hope you can prepare your heart now for the verdict today (somehow he knew the verdict would be revealed today)."

When I asked him what he meant he told me he was 99% sure that Casey would NOT get charged for the worst of charges against her.

He told me the Pros case was too much circumstantial, not enough 'meat'.
He went over their case almost point by point and then explained how how the Def. was able to go through loop-holes to get around those points.

I should have listened.
I should have done as husband said and prepared my heart.

About a half hour ago I got an email from hubby (he's at work) and told me not to blame the jury.
The jury, each member, was given a list of questions they had to ask themselves.
They had to be true to not only themselves with the answers but true to our court system, the public, their Higher Power (if they have one).

If each juror had even the slightest, the tiniest, the most minute nagging doubt, they HAD to go with their heart....with their own truth. That's our justice system.

I keep re-reading my husband's email, trying to think this whole thing through logically and Not with my heart. I've even asked questions of myself, playing devil's advocate.
I'm having a hard time.

I'm just rambling now.
I'm just trying to understand.

your post made me cry!!I so believed in our justice system and today it failed a 3 yr old little girl.I can not for the life of me explain why 12 people did not see through KC lies..I am heartbroken just like you my friend!
 
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  • #792
I am just numb. I think it best I get offline for awhile and try to live my life and not think about this case anymore. What a travesty of justice. My heart and soul are just crushed. I am definitely going to need a glass or two of wine tonight.
 
  • #793
Yeah...even those who admit to murder like Maya D. go to prison, so I guess it's better to lie, lie lie. I am so very angry right now...but I know the minute my husband walks thru that door I will begin sobbing...and the really sad thing is, my husband thought I was a nutcase to follow this...so no support there.
Well, when your husband sees how upset you are, he will support you. You can also find support from your fellow WSers too. It is so very hard for me to be seeing that DT smiling and hugging with absolutely not a thought in the world about a child being murdered and they helped the murderer get off scot free. I am sure there will be a lot of sleepless nights here in my house after this. I doubt my husband understands me being this upset too, come to think of it though. Hugs to you Mitzi.
 
  • #794
How do you know what the jury based their verdict on? I believe they didn't even ask to see the evidence...they didn't review it or go over it properly. They had their minds made up yesterday after a few hours and came in today dressed and ready to give the verdict. They should have rewatched the tapes, they should have touched, looked at, opened the evidence! All that hard work for 3 years in vain. This is not proof that the justice system works- just the opposite, this is proof of how flawed the justice system is.

They should have been allowed to see and know how Casey reacted to the remains that were found not on Suburban drive compared to her reaction to when remains were found ON Suburban...before they were identified.

They should have been allowed to hear that she stole money from her grandmother and was confronted by Cindy about it.


They should have looked over every single pieces of evidence that was presented to them.

Our justice system is VERY flawed when a child can be bagged up and thrown in a swamp and the mother does not report it and goes partying for a month. The problem with this justice system is just how much the Defendant gets protected and how much evidence can be hidden away because it is "prejudicial". I'm so sick.

I didn't even think she should get the Death Penalty per se, but I cannot believe that she wasn't convicted on any other charge when her child clearly is DEAD, found in a garbage bag in a swamp!

BRAVO, BRAVO. They also should have been able to read the Myspace posting of....EVERYONE LIES, EVERYONE DIES...... hmm. Wonder what they could have interpreted that to mean?
 
  • #795
I am just numb. I think it best I get offline for awhile and try to live my life and not think about this case anymore. What a travesty of justice. My heart and soul are just crushed. I am definitely going to need a glass or two of wine tonight.

Aedrys...I'm with you babe. I think I am done for awhile.
 
  • #796
I am just numb. I think it best I get offline for awhile and try to live my life and not think about this case anymore. What a travesty of justice. My heart and soul are just crushed. I am definitely going to need a glass or two of wine tonight.

Take care of yourself, Aedrys.
 
  • #797
I read a lot of Victorian-era and early 20th century true crime and until about the 1950's or so, women were almost never convicted of crimes, especially murder. Jurors just did not believe that women could kill or if they did, that they could/should be held responsible. I think there is still some element of sexual bias in the courts, in favor of female defendants.

While I did not expect what amounts to an acquittal, I am not as stunned and shocked as many. The case dragged on, probably lost the jurors a while ago, the scientific stuff was difficult and "boring", too many experts, etc. I wish they had used more of Casey's friends, more of her FB and MS posts, some testimony from her relatives, they should have called Kronk first, etc...the State decided to go with the scientific/forensics instead of making it more about motive and Casey...and also went for the top penalty and stuck with it, which I think was a mistake.
JMO
 
  • #798
since the verdict I've gone back to listening to NPR which nevers mentions ICA. No more HLN, nancy grace etc. Just stay away from it. What's done is done when there is a NG verdict in our system. I can't imagne what the SA team feels like. I am devastated for them. Theyw ere truly on the side of the angels. Some days, there is no justice.


I am just numb. I think it best I get offline for awhile and try to live my life and not think about this case anymore. What a travesty of justice. My heart and soul are just crushed. I am definitely going to need a glass or two of wine tonight.
 
  • #799
I suspect a lot of members will be banned over what they say now...all I can say is God I am sick!!! These jurors are sick!!! They did not look at the evidence or they thought because she was a young woman, small in stature....whatever, she looked like a victim. I guess lowering your chair and lying through your teeth works. WTF did these jurors think why she lied to police??? Do they think George did it, Roy Knonk???...WTF were they thinking? They did not ask for any evidence, clarification....NOTHING!!!!...DID THEY JUST WANT TO GO HOME???....I AM SICK!!!! AND I HOPE SHE MEETS KARMA JUST LIKE OJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #800
Have to think that the prosecution team would not be in a bar uncorking champagne if the verdict had been guilty. Sickening, just sickening how anyone could be celebrating this in any way, shape or form.
 
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