'They Haven't Even Found Caylee's Clothes,' Anthony Says

[Pondering Mind]

Would you want an innocent child of yours that was murdered to be left out in the elements, never to be found? That would forever haunt me and destroy me if that were my child. Why does Caylee deserve that, just because her family is evil? I think the least we can do for that little girl is to find her and give her a place to rest.

Janis, I SO agree with you! I HAVE lost a child and even though I know that my child as I knew him is not there anymore, I can not imagine him NOT having a final resting place. The comfort of at least being able to go there and feel like I am close is something that I can't imagine not having.

 

[Pink Panther]

If she did have the audacity to make such a statement (which I have no problem believing after having seen her strut her stolen goods) then surely, she's slipped and said other similarly allarming things...BEFORE CA "clued in" and found her! I'm very curious to see if any of her friends and/or acquaintances might have remembered something she said or did now that they have a better understanding of who she really is and what she is capable of!

 

[Mama52dsm]

Can we even discount the possibility that Caylee was still alive but drugged when she dumped her into some lake?

If Caylee was just DUMPed in the lake or river without being weighted down, eventually she would have floated to the top.

 

[impatientredhead]

If Caylee was just DUMPed in the lake or river without being weighted down, eventually she would have floated to the top.

That will vary with the water conditions, temps, body condition, and what is eating the body and how quickly. I believe they eventually sink again once the CO2 is expelled at the surface, so depending on where she was she still may not be spotted.

I think she put her in a dumpsters personally. The one at Tony's that was probably picked up 2.6 days after the time of death.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The reason I brought it up is because she mentions it in her interview with LE when they were at Universal.

I think if security had found anything like cut hair...they would have called LE immediately tho. Just finding clothing, they would not.

 

[Skully]

I don't see her going that far. She isn't really leading them to the body, but leading them into the Z kidnap scenario.

Even when she was talking to her friend christen at jail, she said LE wasn't listening to a thing she said. She said that again to LA. She mentions JBP 8 times a LP points out. I think she did stuff after the fact to make this fit her story. It is a game of sorts to her, a hunt for who will find her and she will say I told you so.

I think we need to go back over the interviews and phone calls. I don't think she had her phone on or with her when she disposed of Caylee because she dated 3 or 4 cops, her dad was cop, she knows she can be traced by it. I think if you look at the places you SHOULD see pings and don't you will have a better chance of finding Caylee. JMO

 

[Lanie]

This sounds like something right out of the defense handbook as a strategy defending the perp's statement:


After reading this it was a light bulb moment for me. Of course, the clothes she planted at Universal and why she took LE there to begin with! She thought they would start looking at Universal and talk to security who record found items. She planted the clothes to look like a kidnapping near the office building where they were sitting during that interview (she mentioned to Lee going back there in the jail house call?), imo. She told them it was why she wanted them to be there and told them to talk to security if you listen to the interview...in her backwards kind of way. It is the perfect scenario to fit in the Z story that she lined up for them. A real treasure hunt they did not follow up on much to her dismay!

(Hopefully, this will get us back on topic here, too!!)

Casey's story to LE was she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass with ZFG. Why would ZFG then take Caylee to Universal Studios, isn't this a massive theme park with tons of people and cameras(?) to change her appearance?
Lanie

 

[Lovejac]

Even when she was talking to her friend christen at jail, she said LE wasn't listening to a thing she said. She said that again to LA. She mentions JBP 8 times a LP points out. I think she did stuff after the fact to make this fit her story. It is a game of sorts to her, a hunt for who will find her and she will say I told you so.

I think we need to go back over the interviews and phone calls. I don't think she had her phone on or with her when she disposed of Caylee because she dated 3 or 4 cops, her dad was cop, she knows she can be traced by it. I think if you look at the places you SHOULD see pings and don't you will have a better chance of finding Caylee. JMO

This heartless beotch thinks the search for Caylee is a 'scavenger' hunt :furious:

 

[Lovejac]

Lemme add a little speculation myself to some points already posted...jus summarizing for convenience.

• Consider that Casey began the process of digging a hole in the backyard with intent to bury the body, but, after some effort the bagged body was placed in the shallow hole, and perhaps Casey began the process of covering it with loose dirt. At this point Casey observed the hole wasn't deep enough and aborted this burial location in favor of a disposal elsewhere, and returned the shovel. The bagged body was placed in the trunk and carried with it some loose dirt.
• Consider that Caylee's clothes weren't removed until after the first day of death had elapsed in hopes that if/when discovered the remains would be unidentifiable otherwise, in which case they may have already contained some early decomp fluid
• Consider the removed clothes were bagged and thrown in the trunk of the Pontiac with the intent to dispose of them.
• Consider the disposal of the body became an unanticipated and overwhelming problem for Casey, and disposing of the bag of clothes faded in comparison to this problem.
• Consider the flurry of calls 6/16PM was to support a planned "unable to find ZFG", and, "I tried to reach you" claim later, and the disappearance of Casey from the G&C's presence was necessitated by the presence of the body in the trunk or backyard which required dealing with prior to coming forward. This mode of delaying the inevitable confrontation with G&C became easier over time, even after the body had been disposed - ultimately stretching to 31 days and Cindy's forcing the issue.
• Consider, following the disposal of the body, the bag of clothing remained in the trunk until 6/27 when Casey investigates the source of the smell, discovers the bag and tosses it, subsequently commenting to Amy about getting rid of the source of the smell.
• Consider there may have been several bags of trash in the trunk of the Pontiac as at least one was discovered and submitted into evidence when the car was recovered on 7/15.
• Consider some bags of trash were discovered ~11/9 in a wooded area on Sunderson Rd in a "hole" created by some trees, with searchers commenting on the stench from many, many yards away, and causing them to run the other direction for relief...yet, no remains were not located with this trash. Recall that DNA testing may require several weeks to process.
• Consider the cell tower Casey pinged the morning of 6/27 @ 11:34AM commenting to Amy about getting rid of the smell IS ON Sunderson Road, albeit a slight detour, on her return trip toward Tony's - cut short @ Amscot that morning.
• Consider Casey did not intend to lose the Pontiac as she was taking actions to secure gas (see "the chase" post in 6/29-only ping thread, and Amy's statements about securing gas can 6/30 morning).

IMO this is making the most sense. You have a gift Bond......are you in LE?!

 

[pregodego2]

ZFG/Zanny/nanny/kidnapping was nothing more than the "vessel" to get all of the clues in. She talked about Blanchard Park- so maybe the cross that was found was one clue she arranged. I heard it was found on a jogging path, so the clues are probably not well hidden. Just maybe not easily recognized.

KC did meantion things about jogging there too.

(You know what ? I don't buy this about the blouse and skirt. I cannot tell you what I wore 31 days ago. Can any of you remember what your child wore 31 days ago ?)

i believe george would. my dad was an EMT,and everytime i went out alone he would remember what i wore. It was in his nature in case anything ever came over his scanner, or he showed up to a scene he would know it was me.

george was a cop, i think he really could have remembered.

Even when she was talking to her friend christen at jail, she said LE wasn't listening to a thing she said. She said that again to LA. She mentions JBP 8 times a LP points out. I think she did stuff after the fact to make this fit her story. It is a game of sorts to her, a hunt for who will find her and she will say I told you so.

I think we need to go back over the interviews and phone calls. I don't think she had her phone on or with her when she disposed of Caylee because she dated 3 or 4 cops, her dad was cop, she knows she can be traced by it. I think if you look at the places you SHOULD see pings and don't you will have a better chance of finding Caylee. JMO

And i don't put it past casey to ask questions like this in passing...no one owuld have thought about it then.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Casey's story to LE was she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass with ZFG. Why would ZFG then take Caylee to Universal Studios, isn't this a massive theme park with tons of people and cameras(?) to change her appearance?
Lanie

She explains it in her statement that day. In perpland, it makes sense to her while it wouldn't to anyone else. She said that Z would bring Caylee there because it was a place she was familiar with. She gave other reasons, too.

The point is that it would be a Casey thing to do and the reason it was mentioned here at all could be because it is being bantered about with the defense, imo.

 

[rozey]

I think if security had found anything like cut hair...they would have called LE immediately tho. Just finding clothing, they would not.

I wonder if some of the hair found in the trunk could have been cut. When I was reviewing her interview it stood out. It seemed like she wanted to make sure they knew this. Why even bring it up?

 

[pregodego2]

she's just using pieces of movies she watches. cut hair and finding clothing...all movie CSI type stuff.

 

[kgeaux]

As posted by ibyoungr, the ZG search was JULY 16th.

Thank you, sweetie. I read the post referencing June 16, followed the link, read all of the documents, and STILL didn't catch the "JULY." :blowkiss:

 

[CapsDeej]

I'm curious about KC's statement about searchers not finding the clothes. This implies that Caylee did not have said clothing on. Assuming that KC disposed of the clothing and the body, what reason would KC have for removing the clothing? Could this reason shed some light on where Caylee might be?

 

[Skully]

I don't know why she would take the cloths off of her, but what if she is referring to cloths that were "extra things". Like we don't know where the back pack is. There were 2, one on the list LE took from the home (DORA THE EXPLORER ONE) then the one GA mentions, with the monkeys on it. She must have had things she took with her, even if it was a small amount. A toothbrush, hair brush, toys.

The other reason could be that the cloths had clorophorm on them or like some one else said, vomit. The body also swell from the gases that omit after death so maybe it had to do with that?? I don't really what to invision that, don't want that in my memory bank.

 

[CourtsInSession]

SHe is one sick puppy. Casey probably put Caylee's clothes in MANY locations. I think half of her statements while out & with Tracey were probably to see if she was right. Maybe she was hoping Tracey would confirm they hadn't or they did in fact recover. I think Casey was fishing. But, like I said before, she probably put Caylee's clothes in many locations.

It wouldn't have been hard for Casey to have washed Caylele's clothes with hers, when washing at Amy's. Casey could have thrown them in the Goodwill bin to get rid of them also.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I was raised catholic. And truthfully if her short life was as sad as it appears it was, maybe laying out in the peacefulness of nature is just where she needs to be, I think alot of people (waho really when you boil it down are strangers to caylee)are geting a little overly melodramatic about it. The person that Caylee is/was lives on in the hearts of people who knew her.

Rather than imagining the "peacefulness of nature" (ie alligators, landfills, being torn limb from limb) that her tiny body may be laying in, I think we can take genuine comfort that Caylee's spirit, like all innocents, went to heaven. JMO

I'll grant you that the last weeks of Caylee's life were probably sad and scary, but I think the majority of her life she was a beloved grandchild, doted on and spoiled by her grandparents.

Talk about! Did you see the pic. of the items found in an alligator's belly?

The link to the documents: Interesting read.

There is a photo of Caylee taken at 12PM (noon) Sunday, June 15th......Father's Day. The NEXT day, Casey is doing an internet search for Zenaida.

The only reason to search for Zenaida is so Caylee can explain Caylee's absence. (Or at least that's all I can think of right this second.)

(snipped) From what we have seen of CA, this is not a caretaker nor an upbringing to be envied--but blissfully would take a couple years before the control issues and effects of CA's narcissistic parenting had really begun to bear fruit. Yes Caylee had a nice room to sleep in--when she wasn't being taken into the same bed w mommy's latest boytoy. JMO

As posted by ibyoungr, the ZG search was JULY 16th.

Yes, CA has acknowledged she is the one who performed this search on 7/16 when KC claimed ZG took Caylee.

That will vary with the water conditions, temps, body condition, and what is eating the body and how quickly. I believe they eventually sink again once the CO2 is expelled at the surface, so depending on where she was she still may not be spotted.

(snipped) When people lose consciousness in water, they sink--regardless of fat, which makes them slightly more buoyant. As the body descends further, the pressure of water tends to compress gases in the abdomen and chest cavities. As a result, the body displaces less water as it sinks and so becomes less buoyant the further down it goes, until it reaches the bottom. Eventually, after 2-4 days, tissues decompose, releasing methane gases, making gravity less for the body mass and causing the body to rise.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_2_75/ai_n16111608/pg_2

I'm curious about KC's statement about searchers not finding the clothes. This implies that Caylee did not have said clothing on. Assuming that KC disposed of the clothing and the body, what reason would KC have for removing the clothing? Could this reason shed some light on where Caylee might be?

If KC, or Caylee, had removed her clothing in hopes or plans for a swim June 16, and Caylee found her way to the pool before KC realizes she's missing? This could explain why she was no longer wearing the clothes, and could also possibly explain why KC's boots and clothes--the same 'work' attire GA states KC was wearing when she and Caylee left the house--were changed out of (if soaked while retrieving Caylee's body from the pool) and thrown onto floor behind seat of KC's car where they were later found by CA and washed (smelling of mildew or mould?). JMO

 

[Karen Anne RN]

I'm confused is that just LP surmising what could have happened ?
I guess so.
Do you know how difficult it would be to get a shovel into the pool to scoop a child out from the bottom ? Water becomes heavy when you want to put something in move it like a oar from a boat.. you'd have to be strong.

I cant see that myself
Well, if she just got her to the top of the pool, then she could reach over and pull her the rest of the way out.
Anyway, I just thought I'd post his interview because of what he had said way back then about the clothes being taken off.

 

[TakeNote]

Thank you, sweetie. I read the post referencing June 16, followed the link, read all of the documents, and STILL didn't catch the "JULY." :blowkiss:

its late and I cant find a link for this.....but I think there was a folder for searchs for ZG prior to June 15th on the PC and the search for ZG in July was put into that folder on the PC.....so the search for ZG dates back before Caylee went missing.....if Im remembering right .....:waitasec: