This is the truth!

[solosamtheman]

No clue how to act???
How about acting like INNOCENT people!

If you want to see how INNOCENT people act when a child is taken and murdered, just look at the Van Damms, and the Klass and Walsh famlies.

The Ramseys are involved in their daughter's death up to their eyeballs, and they acted accordingly from the moment they made the 911 call.

Exactly the point I tried to make a while back. Those families were willing to bare their souls and allow their dirty laundry to be broadcasted all over the world to find out what happened to their children. The Ramseys were far more interested in protecting themselves.......from what?

 

[vicktor]

Even if Oliva knew the Rs had a dog and that it was a bichon frise and not a rotweiller, how would he have known that Jacque had been taken to the neighbors' and wouldn't be at the Rs' to give his presence away by yapping and behaving as most bichons would at seeing a stranger?

Oliva didn't kill JonBenet, but he makes a handy scapegoat for those who can't accept that one of the three Ramseys did.

imo

With this crime as with most, whether the perp is successful is a matter of luck. If Oliva had broken in and found their dog barking at him as he walked around, he no doubt would have maybe looked for something to steal, forgot his plan and left. If he believed that a dog lived there, he probably would have avoided breaking in. He likely didn't observe the house enough to know for sure if a dog regularly lived there.

 

[Ivy]

victor, you're saying that Oliva may not have been familiar enough with the house to know the Rs owned a dog...but that Oliva knew the layout of the house and thus knew where everyone's bedrooms were...and also, on which staircase to place the note?

imo

 

[lisafremont]

AND he felt secure enough to write such a long, long "note" (and even practice first) on a pad of the Ramseys with their own Sharpie pen, without fear of being discovered! He wrote a ransom letter demanding a low and weird sum from a millionaire but had already killed the child and left her body behind.

This "intruder" is either a very bad kidnapper-for-ransom---
didn't come prepared with ransom letter
used items from the house to kill with
left body of child, guaranteeing no payment
demands relatively small amount from very rich man

or a very bad sadistic pedophile----
didn't take child with him,
as Adam Walsh, Polly Klaas and Danielle Van Damm were taken

OR

it wasn't an intruder!
Gee!

 

[vicktor]

Ivy, if the intruder broke in after the Ramseys had got home, he would have been faced with walking around in quiet and semi-darkness trying to see who slept where. Since this sounds unlikely, he came in after the Ramseys had left to go to the Whites. In 15 min. he could have checked out the basement, seen the kitchen, went upstairs to see the bedrooms. Not being a spur of the moment crime, he might have come to the alley for several nights on the chance he might see the family leave from the garage. He didn't necessarily know about the stairs, anywhere in or near the kitchen would have worked also.

LisaFremont, the basement had several rooms he could have hidden in. He probably had a stun gun and could have had another gun, increasing his confidence level. A veteran detective has noted that people who have just killed someone are highly physically and emotionally agitated. Add to this that the intruder would not spend 1+ hrs. writing and copying a ransom letter after the crime risking discovery and you reach the conclusion that the note was written beforehand. There may have been more than 1 yellow legal pad in the kitchen, making it easy for him to take one downstairs to wait for the R's to retire.

Yes, probably a deranged pedophile, who had motive, opportunity ( and I forget the 3rd. one) . Managed to avoid detection at 7-8 different times, got very lucky.

P.S. A similar crime occured in Bldr 8 mo. after the JBR case. A man broke into a 2 story home and waited for the family to come home in the eve. After they had gone to bed he went into the 14 yr. old girls room and attempted to assault her. She made a noise, bringing her mother to the room to confront the intruder. He then ran out, jumping from the 2nd story balcony. As of several months afterwords no suspects or arrests were announced, and it was never stated that the police had found DNA, other evidence (or fingerprints) at the house.

 

[lisafremont]

But, Viktor, Patsy Ramsey wrote that "ransom" letter! Why on earth would she do that for an "intruder"?
:waitasec:

 

[Levi]

But, Viktor, Patsy Ramsey wrote that "ransom" letter! Why on earth would she do that for an "intruder"?
:waitasec:

I think that there was an intruder, I think it was someone close too the family, somone who knew the family, & Jon Benet, very well, & the house & area of their home. Becuase on Court TV's the system they aired a 2nd look @ the this case. It showed the detective who worked on this case simply & easy get into their basement, but I @ the time of the murder I was convinced that her parents, or one of them killed her. Didn't she have a brother living in the house too? I think this is a baffaling case, I have 2nd thoughts everytime I think about it.

 

[Shylock]

the reference to $118,000, fatcat, and good southern common sense? He could have found an old check stub by going through a couple of drawers in John's desk

Victor, have you read Thomas' book? The BPD spent DAYS going through ALL the paperwork in the Ramsey house. They found NO reference to the $118,000 figure in JR's desk or anywhere else. It was JR's secretary who told them it was his bonus amount. If she hadn't done so, they probably wouldn't know that at all.

 

[Britt]

It was JR's secretary who told them it was his bonus amount. If she hadn't done so, they probably wouldn't know that at all.

Hey, does she have an alibi?

 

[lisafremont]

How could there have been an intruder when the window sills were still covered with undisturbed dust, and cobwebs remained in the places where the spiders had spun them in the window wells?

There was no physical evidence of an intruder.

Couple that with the ransom letter that was so clearly written by Patsy Ramsey and you have an inside job and cover up. NOT a "kidnapping" turned murder.

IMO

 

[Maikai]

Jat...... Exactly!

I would like to remind everyone that WS encourages all POV's.
Some replies here were more about attacking Maikia and less about debating the actual topic and differing views therof.
I respectfully request that everyone be permitted to debate their ideas on this subject without threat of being attacked personally.
Thank you for your attention

Amra

I can take it....personal attacks don't bother me...some of them are funny.

 

[Maikai]

And I'm not talking a quick trip post-12/96. If you're familiar with Boulder, you'd have to realize a couple things. One....beauty pageants--let alone children beauty pageant winners are not exactly in vogue there. So....if you look at the victim (JBR), she would be a perfect kidnap victim.

Secondly, Pearl Street is not all that big of a geographic area. Anyone that spent any amount of time around the mall area, would have learned of Access Graphic, and JR.

Thirdly, Boulder has always been a draw for transcients---back in the 60's and 70's, it was a place where a lot of hippies hung out, strumming guitars and smoking pot, and dropping LSD. Boulder then evolved into a place with nuevo rich, and hi-technology companies moving in. Some really resented the "fat cats" that had moved in, driving up rents and property values, and they resented ostentacious shows of their money. It became a place of those that have and those that don't---not much middleclass in between. You have the University influence---with students and residents from academia. There has always been a fair amount of drugs.

So if you look at the Ramseys lifestyle, they would have been pretty visible. Add to that the article in the newspaper about JR's company making a billion dollars, and IMO, someone that he came across at some point in time, could have gotten an idea and/or harbored some kind of resentment. if they didn't know much about the family, once inside the house they would have seen evidence of JBR's participation in the pageants. I don't think they were close enough to be on a radar screen---they left handwriting, and called JBR "your daughter." The long rambling note IMO, is more like the mind of someone on methamphetamine....and the crime if you take it at face value, was that of an amateur.

 

[tezi]

I lived twelve miles from Boulder. I used to go to the Pearl Street Mall. I left in 1996. But, I didn't know who the Ramsey's were until after the murder of JB. And yes, I read the newspapers before she was murdered.

The note was more like the mind of someone in a panic trying to cover up something that they did, not so much like someone on meth....Yes, it was a crime of an amateur, Patsy Ramsey.

 

[BrotherMoon]

I can take it....personal attacks don't bother me...some of them are funny.

See, Amra???? It's all in FUN! Why, when a person is de-sensitized to the point of moral bankruptcy personal attacks are equated with knock-knock jokes. And the conscience, well, is that something to be paid attention??? Nawwwww!!!!! Dumb = numb, so let the barbs fly. No one gets hurt and we all can puke our idiotic thoughts and call it "The Truth", 'cuz nuttin' bothers the dead (headed).

 

[Show Me]

Interesting though both Hodges and Wecht wrote not ONE but TWO books declaring the Ramsey's guilt. Lin Wood has ignored both. You think, hey two more publisher's....mo' money.

An example of one of the damning quotes from Wecht. "Dr. Cyril Wecht, the forensic pathologist better known for his criticism of the JFK autopsy, has no doubt about molestation or who the guilty party is. "This to me is evidence of sexual abuse," he said in a newspaper interview. "I think any forensic gynecologist and forensic pathologist would agree with that." He would also state, point blank, "If she had been taken to a hospital emergency room, and doctors had seen the genital evidence, her father would have been arrested."

Yet McKinley/Fox are currently being sued for slander.

 

[Shylock]

..and the crime if you take it at face value, was that of an amateur.

Yeah, I guess you could call a 9-year old an "amateur".... (I doubt he went around hitting other kids over the head with a baseball bat every day.)

 

[vicktor]

But, Viktor, Patsy Ramsey wrote that "ransom" letter! Why on earth would she do that for an "intruder"?
:waitasec:

One suspect's handwriting was very similar to the note. If you want to fill out the theory, which includes the handwriting, use the feature that allows you to view any posters posts going back a few months. A sample of his handwriting was posted on Webbsleuths in approx. June 03 within a thread not related to his name or handwriting. I don't know where it is found at this time.

 

[Britt]

Interesting though both Hodges and Wecht wrote not ONE but TWO books declaring the Ramsey's guilt. Lin Wood has ignored both. You think, hey two more publisher's....mo' money.

Exactly, Show Me. But we don't want to go there, pal... not down that path, buddy.

 

[vicktor]

Victor, have you read Thomas' book? The BPD spent DAYS going through ALL the paperwork in the Ramsey house. They found NO reference to the $118,000 figure in JR's desk or anywhere else. It was JR's secretary who told them it was his bonus amount. If she hadn't done so, they probably wouldn't know that at all.

No, I haven't. But reading a few select passages left me wondering if Thomas was spinning or distorting facts. Assuming that statement is correct, the intruder could have drawn the 118 figure from the book by the FBI profiler, that included 118 cases. The note writer did spent a lot of time referencing crime movies and procedures. But I seem to remember that Patsy said that she didn't know the figure either, before Dec. 1996. If you want to say that Patsy wrote it W or W/O JOhn's help, the 118 could logically only point to his bonus amt. Why use a figure that only a few people at Access would know about, if you're trying to make it look like an Access employee did it?

 

[Shylock]

But I seem to remember that Patsy said that she didn't know the figure either, before Dec. 1996. If you want to say that Patsy wrote it W or W/O JOhn's help, the 118 could logically only point to his bonus amt. Why use a figure that only a few people at Access would know about, if you're trying to make it look like an Access employee did it?

I wouldn't trust anything John or Patsy told the police. Let's remember Patsy supposedly couldn't remember the Santa Bear or Burke having shoes with a compass on them, and John couldn't remember the flashlight he got as a present from his son or the family bowl and spoon that was on the table. The Ramsey's select memory recall is one thing that has always made them look guilty.

Why use a figure only Access Graphics people would know? Because the whole object of the ransom note to begin with was to point the crime outside the house--and it worked perfectly. John also commented to Arndt that it had to be an "inside job", further pointing the crime in that direction. And one of the first people John threw under the bus was Jeff Merrick, a former AG employee.