Thought and theories on Jeremy

[vlpate]

Here's another clip that shows DB saying that JI went in and found Lisa gone. . and then told her "she's not in her crib."

DB starts talking around the 2:00 mark

Police Launch New Search for Baby Lisa - Fox News Video - Fox News.flv - YouTube

Thank you!!! Notice how part of what she said was edited? I see that a lot in clips of these two. I would love to have the unedited version.

This proves, once again, that both of them change their stories a lot.

 

[cityslick]

Yes, it's in one of the early videos (around the time DB was saying she failed the poly). The link is up thread somewhere.

Law Enforcement actually accused Jeremy Irwin of something, they were quoted of this? They haven't even acknowledged they accused DB of anything. This is news to me if that's the case.

ETA: OK I found it. He's says they accused him, and we know this was not an interrogation tactic how?

 

[lonetraveler]

Jeremy is the source? OMG! He says he was cleared..?? He has a bit more moxy than I gve him credit for!!

FGS! I just heard him say on video today that LE was accusing him right off the bat. I always had my doubts that LE said he didn't need to take a poly.

On this interview, when Lauer asks Jeremy if he has taken a poly he says "no" and that he wasn't asked to take a poly. Entirely different story than "LE saying that he didn't need to take a poly".

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/t/mom-missing-tot-cops-said-you-did-it/

 

[melissasmom]

Law Enforcement actually accused Jeremy Irwin of something, they were quoted of this? They haven't even acknowledged they accused DB of anything. This is news to me if that's the case.

I'm trying to find the link with no success.

I am looking too. I THINK, this may be in reference to the interrogations during the first days. That LE was trying to get them to "confess" or whatever (telling DB she failed her poly, etc.) and maybe threw this out there towards Jeremy during this process. KWIM?

 

[melissasmom]

On this interview, when Lauer asks Jeremy if he has taken a poly he says "no" and that he wasn't asked to take a poly. Entirely different story than "LE saying that he didn't need to take a poly".

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/t/mom-missing-tot-cops-said-you-did-it/

But wouldn't you think they would have asked him if they indeed wanted him to take one? If they needed him to take one, then it stands to reason they would have asked. I havent heard anything about LE asking and Jeremy refusing.

 

[cityslick]

But wouldn't you think they would have asked him if they indeed wanted him to take one? If they needed him to take one, then it stands to reason they would have asked. I havent heard anything about LE asking and Jeremy refusing.

I don't understand why he would lie about taking an LDT, but then DB says she not only takes an LDT, but fails. Why wouldn't he just say he took one and passed?

 

[vlpate]

But wouldn't you think they would have asked him if they indeed wanted him to take one? If they needed him to take one, then it stands to reason they would have asked. I havent heard anything about LE asking and Jeremy refusing.

LE has never commented on LDT's period.

 

[vlpate]

I agree, but not all of them are coincidences created by the parents. The dumpster fire, Jersey, sightings, MW and Jersey took a shortcut, etc, all of those are out of their control.

It's not a coincidence that the phone number called FROM DB's phone went to Jersey's ex gf's phone who used to take a shortcut through the Irwin neighborhood with Jersey whose ex gf is the woman whose phone number is on the phone bill that belongs to DB? k.

If DB or JI used that phone to try and call the number in the above factual statement, then one or both of them did have control.

 

[lonetraveler]

But wouldn't you think they would have asked him if they indeed wanted him to take one? If they needed him to take one, then it stands to reason they would have asked. I havent heard anything about LE asking and Jeremy refusing.

In the same link Deborah states that she volunteered to take a poly. :waitasec: Makes me wonder if LE asked anyone to take a poly or did they just comply when Deborah volunteered. Deborah has stated on the Megyn Kelly interview that the question she failed was "Do you know where Lisa is?".
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/t/mom-missing-tot-cops-said-you-did-it/

 

[norest4thewicked]

You haven't heard anything because LE has not disclosed anything of any of the interrogations they did with SB/PN/boys in the house and those folks have not made public comments to the media. So where else are you going to hear it from? This case, more than any other case I can think of, is proof positive that the public at large, the forum posters on this board, know but a fraction of the information in this case. Ron Rugen's comments about what he has discovered is proof of this. From the very beginning, the viewpoint of many in this case is that if it hasn't been reported in the media, it didn't happen. Nobody knows anything that happened Oct. 3rd because it hasn't been reported on. It doesn't mean BL wasn't alive or nobody saw BL. Different sources (SB and the boss' wife) said they heard or saw BL and you don't believe it. Who else is going to tell you about BL except the people that were there and LE?

You made my point for me. NO ONE has said that they saw Lisa there on Monday. We heard that BS was doing some spinning on this report regarding SB and her daughter, but I don't believe anything that comes out of BS's mouth.

Ron Rugen didn't make any comment that I am aware of that he talked to someone who reported to have seen Lisa that day. If he has, I've missed it. And, again, I don't believe spin by BS or JT.

In addition, I don't believe in my post or anywhere else have I stated for a fact that I believed that Lisa wasn't there that day. I do happen to wonder about it, and it definitely is a possibility to me, but I sure don't state it for a fact. I also would not believe anything that the parents say...are you kidding?

Just the fact that no one apparently DID see Lisa that day speaks volumes to me...

Edit: Which one saw Lisa alive that day (boss or his wife)?

 

[lonetraveler]

I would really like to know what questions were asked on DB's poly and if any of them were about Jeremy's involvement. LE hasn't made any comments on questions that I know about.

 

[vlpate]

In the same link Deborah states that she volunteered to take a poly. :waitasec: Makes me wonder if LE asked anyone to take a poly or did they just comply when Deborah volunteered. Deborah has stated on the Megyn Kelly interview that the question she failed was "Do you know where Lisa is?".
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/t/mom-missing-tot-cops-said-you-did-it/

Yes, that is what she said in a few interviews - that the question was, "do you know where Lisa is?".

Later - and on the Dr. Phil show, IIRC, she changed it to, "did you kill your baby".

Inconsistency #.... aww he((, I've lost count.

 

[iluvmua]

Lots of inconsistent statements from DB...... my jaw will hit the floor it if turns out she had nothing to do with Lisa being harmed/killed.

(which I think she does)

 

[norest4thewicked]

Lots of inconsistent statements from DB...... my jaw will hit the floor it if turns out she had nothing to do with Lisa being harmed/killed.

(which I think she does)

I think that your jaw will be firmly planted where it's supposed to be...and not on the floor...

 

[cityslick]

You made my point for me. NO ONE has said that they saw Lisa there on Monday. We heard that BS was doing some spinning on this report regarding SB and her daughter, but I don't believe anything that comes out of BS's mouth.

Ron Rugen didn't make any comment that I am aware of that he talked to someone who reported to have seen Lisa that day. If he has, I've missed it. And, again, I don't believe spin by BS or JT.

In addition, I don't believe in my post or anywhere else have I stated for a fact that I believed that Lisa wasn't there that day. I do happen to wonder about it, and it definitely is a possibility to me, but I sure don't state it for a fact. I also would not believe anything that the parents say...are you kidding?

Just the fact that no one apparently DID see Lisa that day speaks volumes to me.

Edit: Which one saw Lisa alive that day (boss or his wife)?

No one has said anything to the media. That's my point. It hasn't been told to the media if they saw BL so the assumption is no one did. Has Sb talked to media or PN? How you Know what they saw and did in that house?

 

[Whisperer]

On one of the interviews posted yesterday, DB stated she didn't know what questions she failed (plural).

The ball was dropped again when DB said she failed questions (plural) on the poly, as the reporter asked, "What question did you fail?" That is when she gave the answer, "Do you know where you daughter is?".

It seems she missed more than just one question on that poly. Now Jeremy says he was cleared and didn't need to take a poly and he wasn't asked. In the first two days and it may be the first interview with LE, he tells the media that they were coming down pretty hard on him making accusations that he was involved. I take it this is when he stopped talking with LE. He shut this down. My goodness if he closes his enitre family out I can see how easy it would be for him to never speak with LE again.

I am sure he is delighted to have Joe T bluster all kinds of theories about what happened to Lisa. He doesn't and couldn't handle it alone. He is the weakest link and LE, DB, Joe T/Joe P and Bill S. know it. He must be protected. As long as money rolls in all will be quiet. It is just a matter of time before he explodes...imo.

The two parents are both self-serving and may be complicit in the crime.

 

[Whisperer]

No one has said anything to the media. That's my point. It hasn't been told to the media if they saw BL so the assumption is no one did. Has Sb talked to media or PN? How you Know what they saw and did in that house?

If any of these people saw BL they would be talking to the media. JT and BS would make sure. If they refused, money would be passed somehow, someway to get them to tell their story about Lisa being seen.

At this point, the dream team is doing everything they can to soften up that day and make sure somebody saw Lisa even up to putting a toddler up as seeing her. Nothing is working.

The same with the polys, if they passed a poly, the dream team would scream if from the rooftops. No such thing happened because LE has spoken and Joe T was lying on national tv. They never told Joe T that she passed any poly.

These attorneys sure have the money (thanks to KHS) to give them a poly...and they usually do in these type of cases. Then can go brag about how they passed a "private" poly. Nada.

 

[Whisperer]

A human being died in that house...per an FBI well trained CADAVER dog. There was no kidnapping and there was no intruder. Hard to believe, I know how difficult it is for many to conceive of such a thing..but Lisa is the one who most likely passed on October 3 2011.

LE wants to talk to the parents but the parents do not want to talk to them. Take it from there.

 

[Whisperer]

I would really like to know what questions were asked on DB's poly and if any of them were about Jeremy's involvement. LE hasn't made any comments on questions that I know about.

I'm guessing. There are usually four questions.

1. Do you know who has Lisa
2. Do you know where Lisa is
3. Did you harm/kill Lisa
4. Do you know who harmed/killed Lisa

 

[vlpate]

OMG, I just had a horrible thought. JI works as an electrician, which means he sometimes has to cut out sheetrock, work in crawl spaces, basements, or work in a place of business or home where there are walls being put up.

Could he have taken a well wrapped Lisa and placed her into an area that would not be noticed inside a wall that night - where final construction would be happening within a few days?

There's also roll-off dumpsters at most construction sites - surely these have been looked through.

I don't see JI as this diabolical, but anything is possible.