Thought and theories on Jeremy

[redheadedgal]

Yes, that is what she said in a few interviews - that the question was, "do you know where Lisa is?".

Later - and on the Dr. Phil show, IIRC, she changed it to, "did you kill your baby".

close...

Dr.Phil: So let me be very clear, she did not fail a polygraph when they asked her, "Do you know what happened to your baby?" She did not fail that polygraph, although it's been reported that she was told she did?

unreal that the question changed too!! :what:

 

[melissasmom]

DB is a codependent.She is also histrionic. My thoughts haven't changed on that. I still see him as passive-aggressive. I thought DB controlled him and everything around him...and she does to a point. She keeps him calm by doing what he says and watching his boy and cleaning his house. She gets to have a man who owns a house and provides for her and her kids.

So they both get something out of this relationship. I thought DB ran the show..in a way, she does, she runs the house. He is running this media show. He puts her out there. She would be much more verbal if not contained.

This is a man who cut off his parents, sister and the mother of his boy. He shuts out anyone who criticizes anything he does. They do not exist in his mind unless he chooses to let them in...but cross him and you can forget about it. I noticed in that letter he told them not to bother calling him, if he doesn't answer, he doesn't care to talk to them. WTH?

I have to say he is behaving like a narcissist. I don't know much about him but his behavior is odd..always has been odd. Something is wrong and off about him.

Hmm, I don't recall anyone here ever posting anything even close to that description or them or their relationship. Guess I missed that.

 

[hambirg]

So I take it this means you have changed your opinion that DB controls JI? Or she controls him AND he is passive agressive? If DB controls him then is she the only one who should not be scared around him? He is a "no personality" but he has a temper? Is DB abused possibly, but she comes across as a loudmouth drama queen? Just clarifying.

Well I'm not Whisperer, but I'll give you my take on it.

If JI is passive aggressive, which I believe he likely is, the very definition of that is a learned helplessness. Passive aggressives are likely to sit back and let it appear that they are being controlled, but really they are the ones controlling the situation. The frequently blame others. . .well, I can't do this because so-and-so is doing that. It's not true, but they try to make it look like the other person is to blame. It's the "passive" part of passive aggression. . .make the other person look bad. Just think about social passive resistance. It's effective because those resisting do nothing, while they let the others make themselves look bad. . . think 60's civil rights sit ins.

As far as the "no personality" and temper. That is often how it is. Anger comes from fear. . .fear often from low self esteem. . .that can often mean loner or someone who isn't very socially inept. . .maybe even seen as shy.

I don't think DB is abused. She is emotional though. I do think she is a bit of a drama queen and gossip. She definitely cares about what others think of her. That doesn't mean she has to be the one calling the shots. She has control over what JI allows her to. JMHO

 

[Whisperer]

Whisperer-What letter are you talking about

I will delete that part. Sorry, I forgot it isn't here.

 

[Whisperer]

Hmm, I don't recall anyone here ever posting anything even close to that description or them or their relationship. Guess I missed that.

I thought you asked me to explain what I said about them. There were various questions you wanted answered.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well I'm not Whisperer, but I'll give you my take on it.

If JI is passive aggressive, which I believe he likely is, the very definition of that is a learned helplessness. Passive aggressives are likely to sit back and let it appear that they are being controlled, but really they are the ones controlling the situation. The frequently blame others. . .well, I can't do this because so-and-so is doing that. It's not true, but they try to make it look like the other person is to blame. It's the "passive" part of passive aggression. . .make the other person look bad. Just think about social passive resistance. It's effective because those resisting do nothing, while they let the others make themselves look bad. . . think 60's civil rights sit ins.

As far as the "no personality" and temper. That is often how it is. Anger comes from fear. . .fear often from low self esteem. . .that can often mean loner or someone who isn't very socially inept. . .maybe even seen as shy.

I don't think DB is abused. She is emotional though. I do think she is a bit of a drama queen and gossip. She definitely cares about what others think of her. That doesn't mean she has to be the one calling the shots. JMHO

So who do you think is the controlling one in this relationship? Debbie or Jeremy?

 

[melissasmom]

Well I'm not Whisperer, but I'll give you my take on it.

If JI is passive aggressive, which I believe he likely is, the very definition of that is a learned helplessness. Passive aggressives are likely to sit back and let it appear that they are being controlled, but really they are the ones controlling the situation. The frequently blame others. . .well, I can't do this because so-and-so is doing that. It's not true, but they try to make it look like the other person is to blame. It's the "passive" part of passive aggression. . .make the other person look bad. Just think about social passive resistance. It's effective because those resisting do nothing, while they let the others make themselves look bad. . . think 60's civil rights sit ins.

As far as the "no personality" and temper. That is often how it is. Anger comes from fear. . .fear often from low self esteem. . .that can often mean loner or someone who isn't very socially inept. . .maybe even seen as shy.

I don't think DB is abused. She is emotional though. I do think she is a bit of a drama queen and gossip. She definitely cares about what others think of her. That doesn't mean she has to be the one calling the shots. JMHO

Thanks for taking the time to explain your take on it. I know all about passive-aggressive personalities, that is my mother.

 

[princesspjs]

Paranoids are the most dangerous type of people. I peg him as one...always have. I was hoping it was just a paranoid personality which is not dangerous but when he brought up those spiders on the screen, my hinky meter went off.

I won't go into it now till I get verified. I don't want to stir the pot.

Wait...you have 14 thousand posts and you're not verified yet? :waitasec:

 

[Whisperer]

Sorry, don't understand what you are trying to say. I am not talking about lawyers, I am saying why has LAW ENFORCEMENT not said anything if there is no confirmation that Lisa was alive and well the day of the 3rd?

Why would LE say anything? It is the parents who have to explain what happened and when Lisa was last seen..not LE. They were told 10:30 by DB.

 

[cityslick]

Simple question. If JI did something to BL before he went to work and had her disposed of (either himself or someone else), what was DB doing with the phones at 11:57 and 3:20am?

 

[redheadedgal]

The very first words out of his mouth were very cryptic. When asked who would have done this to your daugher? He replied, "Somebody who cheats on her husband".

Very creepy..

Many of us assumed he meant SB when in reality he could have been referring to DB.

i thought he meant DB... i didn't know about SB then... i haven't changed my mind knowing about SB...

 

[Whisperer]

Wait...you have 16 thousand posts and you're not verified yet? :waitasec:

NO, and I never tried...and still haven't. I didn't want to. There are plenty here with credentials that don't care to be verified.

 

[hambirg]

So who do you think is the controlling one in this relationship? Debbie or Jeremy?

With what we know right now? I think it's JI.

 

[cityslick]

If he was talking about DB when he said 'someone who cheats on her husband', then that is the very definition of hypocrisy, considering he'd been living with DB for 3 years and had a child with her.

 

[Whisperer]

i thought he meant DB... i didn't know about SB then... i haven't changed my mind knowing about SB...

In reviewing everything, it seems like he may mean DB. It was very odd...and not at all anywhere a normal statement to make. It was cryptic.

 

[cityslick]

With what we know right now? I think it's JI.

What do you know outside of tv interviews?

 

[melissasmom]

I thought you asked me to explain what I said about them. There were various questions you wanted answered.

Eh, I am just suprised at the "turnaround". First it seemed to be that DB was the controlling one, she called the shots, she was pulling the wool over his eyes, no personality, etc. Now all of a sudden it has switched to JI seems to be the "bad guy" and is the mastermind behind whatever you think occured.

Just thought that shift was odd. I don't recall any posts previously about JI probably having a temper, being passive-aggressive, what have you.

But like I said, maybe someone said this about him earlier and I don't recall it.

 

[Whisperer]

If he was talking about DB when he said 'someone who cheats on her husband', then that is the very definition of hypocrisy, considering he'd been living with DB for 3 years and had a child with her.

Sure is...he was digging deep. I think he was referring to Db. He does it several times with his remarks. He tells how he has been cleared and they can't clear Db because she was there. He seems to get jabs in every once in awhile. I wonder if he enjoys it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What do you know outside of tv interviews?

That's about it. I'm amazed with the ideas people can come up with from a TV interview and no other supporting facts.

 

[4Jacy]

It has always been my opinion that Jeremy is paranoid. Now we may be seeing more to it. We have just heard from RR and he has kge that it is Jeremy who runs that house, not DB. That is a stunner .. as we were tending to think she ran the show.

As we delve deeper with this thread, we can see that RR is correct. When we review JI and remarks he makes on tape, he tends to run towards the bizzare. It is he who runs the show. Who'd a thunk it? Downricht scary to me.

The very first words out of his mouth were very cryptic. When asked who would have done this to your daugher? He replied, "Somebody who cheats on her husband".

Very creepy..

Many of us assumed he meant SB when in reality he could have been referring to DB.

BBM

I am also shocked to realize JI is the one in control in their relationship. Just blows me away.

However, I really think JI was referring to SB and not DB. I don't know why, but I think he believes he is not participating in adultery, they are "married" in his eyes and that's good enough for him. I cannot understand why neither of them didn't push the divorce issue for DB asap since a child was born out of their union, and also they each had a son. It would have made for a much cosier family unit.

But what am I talking about, women nowadays are having c.o.o.w. all the time!