Thought and theories on Jeremy

[cityslick]

But I think the point is that maybe JI was tiring of her "immature" behavior. Before DB it was just JI and his son. Now he has 3 other people to support, one being a healthy adult who doesn't work, but drinks and acts immature. Maybe JI was getting sick of it.

So he kills his own daughter so there is one less kid?

 

[cityslick]

BEM 1 - Operative word "could" have been.

BEM 2 - He would have to be able to back that statement up.

Look, you could be absolutely spot on - she could have been a lousy mother and wanted her freedom. She filed for custody in the past and didn't show up? Why file for custody and not show up? There's the rub for me.

Nobody knows that one. But it's very odd. That she was given visitation but it was 'supervised' visitation. According to the RR thread, it didn't seem like she did a whole lot of that visitation either.

 

[hambirg]

I don't consider anyone that is separated long term as 'cheating'. That being said, I think not knowing Jeremys personality, I can't judge him by what we have seen on msm. If he is a withdrawn, shy guy, I can see him being very uncomfortable showing any emotion for the public. What he does and how he acts behind closed doors has not come into question at all from anyone.
Apparently he fought hard for his son. He owned the house they lived in. He had just asked Deb to marry him so I don't see an issue in their relationship. LE was very comfortable with his alibi and I haven't seen any doubts regarding that as of yet.
I don't think Jeremy was aware of anything that transpired with the disappearance of Lisa. I believe that he totally believes that Deb had nothing to do with the disappearance of Lisa. When asked by msm if he ever had any doubts his answer was 'no way..not possible' (in so many words) and I believe him.

There are so many ways to read that. Maybe he knows it's not possible, kwim.

 

[iamnotagolem]

We do not know the situation with JI & RR's son & custody. It's possible she didn't want to be a parent and just walked away. It's possible she thought he was a better parent and it'd be in the child's best interest to live with his dad. It's possible Jeremy threatened her to keep her from showing up for court, it's possible he disabled her car to prevent her from showing up to court. We can argue the JI & RR thing until we are blue in the face, the fact is we just don't know.

As far as DB cheating on her husband, the point is she didn't take her wedding vows seriously, so what is to say she'll take her shacking up commitment seriously? She is married to another man, that is a fact, she is committing adultery, it does speak poorly of her decision making skills, and her morals. Even if she wasn't cheating on JI, it doesn't mean that JI didn't suspect that she was and convince himself that she was.

 

[cityslick]

We do not know the situation with JI & RR's son & custody. It's possible she didn't want to be a parent and just walked away. It's possible she thought he was a better parent and it'd be in the child's best interest to live with his dad. It's possible Jeremy threatened her to keep her from showing up for court, it's possible he disabled her car to prevent her from showing up to court. We can argue the JI & RR thing until we are blue in the face, the fact is we just don't know.

As far as DB cheating on her husband, the point is she didn't take her wedding vows seriously, so what is to say she'll take her shacking up commitment seriously? She is married to another man, that is a fact, she is committing adultery, it does speak poorly of her decision making skills, and her morals. Even if she wasn't cheating on JI, it doesn't mean that JI didn't suspect that she was and convince himself that she was.

Have we ever found out why they are still in fact, married? Instead of saying, 'she didn't take her wedding vows seriously', couldn't it be 'they both didn't take their wedding vows seriously' or 'it just didn't work out'. Sometimes marriages don't work out.

 

[Sparklin]

I've wondered about the grandparents visitation issue. My thoughts were that it's possible that when DB and her son moved in, they were expected to treat Debs son as their grandchild and refused to do that, so Jeremy cut off ties to his son. I have a friend who's parents will buy gifts for HER children and drop them off totally ignoring the fact that she has a step child that lives with her. I find that horrid and she has told them that either they buy for all or buy for none. I can see cutting off ties if they won't accept the other child. Although her mother feels it's unfair to expect them to accept and love a 'strangers' child, I don't think it's fair to the children who are adjusting to living with each other as siblings. It's possible that Jeremy said both or none.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Have we ever found out why they are still in fact, married? Instead of saying, 'she didn't take her wedding vows seriously', couldn't it be 'they both didn't take their wedding vows seriously' or 'it just didn't work out'. Sometimes marriages don't work out.

They are still married, she is living with another man, that is a fact. It doesn't matter why or how their marriage ended, she is married and living with another man. She can file for divorce.

Again, this thread is about JI not DB.

Whose choice was it for DB to stop working? Was it hers or JI's? Did she stop working after Lisa was born or prior to that?

 

[hambirg]

So he kills his own daughter so there is one less kid?

Not just so there is one less kid.. . to get revenge on DB, to cut ties with DB. We keep hearing from DB how BL is the link that holds their family together. Maybe that's true.

Did he kill her? Idk. Stranger things have happened. But maybe he just "arranged" something where BL is still alive.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Not just so there is one less kid.. . to get revenge on DB, to cut ties with DB. We keep hearing from DB how BL is the link that holds their family together. Maybe that's true.

Did he kill her? Idk. Stranger things have happened. But maybe he just "arranged" something where BL is still alive.

This is not outside the realms of possibilities, IMO.

 

[hambirg]

I know a lot of people will disagree with this, but I personally do not think Jeremy is the submissive one in the relationship. Sure, DB, does most of the talking, but I think Jeremy makes most of the actual decisions, especially with regard to the defense 'team.' When Cyndy Short was fired from the case, a reporter asked DB about it and DB said 'news to me.' Later a statement was released that the decision had been made by the family to fire CS from the team--I think that decision was made by Jeremy in consultation with Tacopina. Jeremy is the bread winner and pays the bills, and I would guess that he keeps DB on a pretty tight leash financially. (It's my theory that PN actually paid for the box of wine as a treat for DB.)

Other items that contribute to my reasoning (there are other things as well, but I'm a bit pressed on time today): the parents stopped cooperating with LE after Jeremy had a blow up with them. Jeremy's parents had apparently been completely cut out of Jeremy's life prior to Lisa going missing, to the extent that they filed for grandparents' visitation for Lisa's brother. I am not 100% sure of the timeline, but I believe that was going on before DB even entered the picture. Jeremy had fought for and obtained full custody of his son with RR years before he had a child with DB--that took a lot of determination.

All of these things lead me to think that Jeremy is NOT being led by the nose by DB--I think in fact he is calling the shots and pulling the strings behind the scenes. MOO.

Early on in, some of the family members (I don't remember exactly who) said that they were not allowed to talk to the media until it was cleared by JI. I agree, in that I think JI might really be the one calling the shots here.

 

[Sparklin]

Not just so there is one less kid.. . to get revenge on DB, to cut ties with DB. We keep hearing from DB how BL is the link that holds their family together. Maybe that's true.

Did he kill her? Idk. Stranger things have happened. But maybe he just "arranged" something where BL is still alive.

bbm - and yet they are 'closer than ever' ??

 

[iamnotagolem]

bbm - and yet they are 'closer than ever' ??

That is yet another puzzling thing to say. Your child missing makes you closer than ever? I'd think it'd create a lot of stress and anxiety and uncertainty. JMO

 

[hambirg]

bbm - and yet they are 'closer than ever' ??

It might just be a front. If he is feeding the inconsistencies to DB, he can't just cut ties with her now. She could turn on him. . ."it was JI that said this. . .said that. . .etc." We don't know what has been said between them. He might be encouraging her to be deceptive or feeding her defensiveness. Does that make sense? Say if JI was involved and DB wasn't. He could have told her. . .you better not tell LE that you were drinking. That will make you look suspicious. LE will want to pin this on you. You better tell them we both found BL gone to protect yourself. . . .etc.

MOO

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

That is yet another puzzling thing to say. Your child missing makes you closer than ever? I'd think it'd create a lot of stress and anxiety and uncertainty. JMO

Tragedy often brings family closer together, I don't find that odd at all.

 

[cityslick]

They are still married, she is living with another man, that is a fact. It doesn't matter why or how their marriage ended, she is married and living with another man. She can file for divorce.

Again, this thread is about JI not DB.

Whose choice was it for DB to stop working? Was it hers or JI's? Did she stop working after Lisa was born or prior to that?

So can her husband, neither has decided to do that. Why? Tax reasons? Insurance? Now, is JI 'jealous' of that? I don't know, maybe. He wants a 'closer' family so he gets rid his daughter, the only common child between him and DB?

I'm confused by this line of thinking.

 

[Donjeta]

Tragedy often brings family closer together, I don't find that odd at all.

I think I do. Tragedy is one thing when everybody knows what happened and it's nobody's fault but then there are tons of families who have split up because of blame and suspicion and uncertainty.

I would never in a million years feel closer than ever to somebody who got drunk and lost my child they were supposed to take care of.

 

[cityslick]

It might just be a front. If he is feeding the inconsistencies to DB, he can't just cut ties with her now. She could turn on him. . ."it was JI that said this. . .said that. . .etc." We don't know what has been said between them. He might be encouraging her to be deceptive or feeding her defensiveness. Does that make sense? Say if JI was involved and DB wasn't. He could have told her. . .you better not tell LE that you were drinking. That will make you look suspicious. LE will want to pin this on you. You better tell them we both found BL gone to protect yourself. . . .etc.

MOO

So, you think he had DB do something to BL, then went to work on his merry way, then 'guessed' when she would be done (because there was no communication between them while he was working) and then came home, asked if the coast was clear, then called LE?

Hey, stranger things have happened, I just find it a little far fetching.

 

[4Jacy]

Is it true that JI was the only employee at the company? If it is then I call bull chit that he always worked with somebody else. Why would he have a work phone if he was always working with the owner? Why would he need a work van if he was always working with the owner? I was in construction long enough to know that what is supposed to happen and what DOES happen are two totally different things.

One other thing that bothers me. Did JI know that DB bought wine? We know he was concerned about money and they were short enough on cash as to not pay their cell bill. If I was home for a brief time because I was working a looong double shift and was the only breadwinner, and my SO took money that we really didn't have to spare, and bought a box-o-wine I would be madder than hell! Was he? Did he know and not care? Maybe he had an ulterior motive. :waitasec:

I know I said one more thing, but one more thing. :innocent: Do we believe that SB was really at the house when DB made the wine run? I get the feeling that JI may not have really been so fond of SB. I can't imagine staying at the house under those conditions while my friend ran to the store. I would have went with her. Why didn't SB go with DB to the store?

BBM

Perhaps JI was resting for a little while and SB was there to take care of all the kids. I still don't understand why SB had to go on her own separate trip to the store. Why not have DB pick up whatever she wanted? :waitasec:

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I think I do. Tragedy is one thing when everybody knows what happened and it's nobody's fault but then there are tons of families who have split up because of blame and suspicion and uncertainty.

I would never in a million years feel closer than ever to somebody who got drunk and lost my child they were supposed to take care of.

I guess that is a difference in personalities, and quite plausible obviously, speaking for myself I never try to go into the "blame game" when something tragic happens unless I have PROOF someone is to blame.

 

[hambirg]

So, you think he had DB do something to BL, then went to work on his merry way, then 'guessed' when she would be done (because there was no communication between them while he was working) and then came home, asked if the coast was clear, then called LE?

Hey, stranger things have happened, I just find it a little far fetching.

No, this is based on the assumption that DB was not involved.