Thoughts on Daylight Saving Time...

[branmuffin]

I hate DST but we have a huge country spanning many latitudes. If AZ wants to hide from the sun, I am game. Just stop this nonsense, please. I understand, in 1918 power supply was limited, but now, we spend more on post-transition car accidents than save on energy.

I believe the Senate has approved it, but the Congress can't find the time to vote for it?

It's more than latitudes. Latitudes don't affect DST since it's due to the natural progression of the sun. The problem is longitudes. So someone who lives the furthest north is going to be affected by the change more so than someone closer to the equator. During the summer solstice, Miami for example, experiences about 3 hours and 15 minutes more sunlight than during the winter solstice. Whereas a small town in Minnesota experience about 8 hours more sunlight during the summer solstice than they do during the winter solstice. That's a big gap. Almost negligible for those down south but a huge impact for northerners.

 

[mickey2942]

It's more than latitudes. Latitudes don't affect DST since it's due to the natural progression of the sun. The problem is longitudes. So someone who lives the furthest north is going to be affected by the change more so than someone closer to the equator. During the summer solstice, Miami for example, experiences about 3 hours and 15 minutes more sunlight than during the winter solstice. Whereas a small town in Minnesota experience about 8 hours more sunlight during the summer solstice than they do during the winter solstice. That's a big gap. Almost negligible for those down south but a huge impact for northerners.

Yes. We live close to the Canadian border, so it is light almost until 11 pm in the summer. We have "sun blocking" blackout curtains in our bedroom for this reason. (They are also amazing in the winter to keep the heat in).

We are not doing stuff that late outside in the summer.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I hate DST but we have a huge country spanning many latitudes. If AZ wants to hide from the sun, I am game. Just stop this nonsense, please. I understand, in 1918 power supply was limited, but now, we spend more on post-transition car accidents than save on energy.

I believe the Senate has approved it, but the Congress can't find the time to vote for it?

What is a "post-transition car accident"?

 

[acutename]

What is a "post-transition car accident"?

there are stats that show after every change there are more cars accidents for a few days because people really cannot adapt well and their sleep schedules are off

 

[Charlot123]

Yes. We live close to the Canadian border, so it is light almost until 11 pm in the summer. We have "sun blocking" blackout curtains in our bedroom for this reason. (They are also amazing in the winter to keep the heat in).

We are not doing stuff that late outside in the summer.

We live in Western WA, so DST is better for us than November when it gets dark at 4 pm. However, global warming is a thing, so if people living in NM or AZ are afraid of getting out of the house at daytime, I’d adjust to them and eat more vitamin D. But DC just has to choose something and stop these swings.

 

[Charlot123]

It's more than latitudes. Latitudes don't affect DST since it's due to the natural progression of the sun. The problem is longitudes. So someone who lives the furthest north is going to be affected by the change more so than someone closer to the equator. During the summer solstice, Miami for example, experiences about 3 hours and 15 minutes more sunlight than during the winter solstice. Whereas a small town in Minnesota experience about 8 hours more sunlight during the summer solstice than they do during the winter solstice. That's a big gap. Almost negligible for those down south but a huge impact for northerners.

Respectfully, I think these are latitudes, the parallels. Longitudes are meridians, connecting N and S. Latitude-wise, 0 is equator, 90N, North Pole. US spans from 25 degree N to 49 degree N latitude. So one can experience “polar night and day”, for 6 mo, close to the N pole, and the smallest variability on the equator. No matter where on the equator you are, E or W, it is still sunny, but of course, the climate varies depending on whether it is a desert or somewhere in the middle of the ocean.

 

[mickey2942]

We live in Western WA, so DST is better for us than November when it gets dark at 4 pm. However, global warming is a thing, so if people living in NM or AZ are afraid of getting out of the house at daytime, I’d adjust to them and eat more vitamin D. But DC just has to choose something and stop these swings.

What drives me crazy is that Arizona doesn't change their time, so I am constantly having to remember what time it is there, like 30 times a day. So half the year they are on Mountain time, then everyone switches, but Arizona, so then they are on Pacific time.

The 2 states that don't do daylight saving — and how they got rid of time changes for good

Across the U.S., two states don't do daylight saving time. As the clocks change for 2024, these are the states that skip moving clocks forward and back.

www.cbsnews.com

And then, I have to remember that parts of Arizona do change the time. I have a map on my desk to double check.

Can't we all just be on the same schedule?!

 

[Lilibet]

And then, I have to remember that parts of Arizona do change the time.

I remember being in Page AZ, and the adjoining Navajo Reservation does observe DST. So residents of the Res who worked in Page had to keep track. I’m sure they got used to it, but it would be like crossing into a different time zone twice every day.

Side note: If you’re ever in Page, make arrangements to visit Antelope Canyon, a red rock slot canyon on Navajo land. Spectacular!

 

[IceIce9]

What drives me crazy is that Arizona doesn't change their time, so I am constantly having to remember what time it is there, like 30 times a day. So half the year they are on Mountain time, then everyone switches, but Arizona, so then they are on Pacific time.

The 2 states that don't do daylight saving — and how they got rid of time changes for good

Across the U.S., two states don't do daylight saving time. As the clocks change for 2024, these are the states that skip moving clocks forward and back.

www.cbsnews.com

And then, I have to remember that parts of Arizona do change the time. I have a map on my desk to double check.

Can't we all just be on the same schedule?!

In Indiana we have 6 counties that are on Central Time while the rest of the state is on Eastern time. I frequently work in both time zones in a week.

Indiana didn’t use Daylight Saving Time until 2007.

 

[IceIce9]

I remember being in Page AZ, and the adjoining Navajo Reservation does observe DST. So residents of the Res who worked in Page had to keep track. I’m sure they got used to it, but it would be like crossing into a different time zone twice every day.

Side note: If you’re ever in Page, make arrangements to visit Antelope Canyon, a red rock slot canyon on Navajo land. Spectacular!

One of the companies I worked for had me start my work day in Eastern time and finish in central time. So for a 12 hour day I would bill 13 hours.

 

[branmuffin]

Respectfully, I think these are latitudes, the parallels. Longitudes are meridians, connecting N and S. Latitude-wise, 0 is equator, 90N, North Pole. US spans from 25 degree N to 49 degree N latitude. So one can experience “polar night and day”, for 6 mo, close to the N pole, and the smallest variability on the equator. No matter where on the equator you are, E or W, it is still sunny, but of course, the climate varies depending on whether it is a desert or somewhere in the middle of the ocean.

I'm measuring longitude which is the same as meridians. So the further north from the equator you are the longer the days in the summer and the shorter the days in winter. That's reversed when you are further south from the equator. Because the earth is on an axis it's actually colder in the Antarctic than the Artic. The closer to the equator, the more temperate the changes in temperature. The definition of both poles boils down to Artic - bears, Antarctic - no bears.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm measuring longitude which is the same as meridians. So the further north from the equator you are the longer the days in the summer and the shorter the days in winter. That's reversed when you are further south from the equator. Because the earth is on an axis it's actually colder in the Antarctic than the Artic. The closer to the equator, the more temperate the changes in temperature. The definition of both poles boils down to Artic - bears, Antarctic - no bears.

We are speaking about the same, but in a different way. The longitude does affect the timing of sunrise and sunset but does not affect the total length of the sun day. Maybe this is what you mean. As to me, I need long days of sunshine, period. The latitude affects the total length of the sun day. Living in Seattle, I could use longer exposure to sun in late autumn/winter than I have. When I went to Tahiti, 17 degrees south, it felt the same: close to 12 hours of sunlight, in late autumn. and was very nice. I think it is 12/12 on equator.

 

[branmuffin]

We are speaking about the same, but in a different way. The longitude does affect the timing of sunrise and sunset but does not affect the total length of the sun day. Maybe this is what you mean. As to me, I need long days of sunshine, period. The latitude affects the total length of the sun day. Living in Seattle, I could use longer exposure to sun in late autumn/winter than I have. When I went to Tahiti, 17 degrees south, it felt the same: close to 12 hours of sunlight, in late autumn. and was very nice. I think it is 12/12 on equator.

When I lived in northern England in the summer it would get light around 4 o clock in the morning and stay light until 11 pm. That's about 19 hours of daylight.

 

[Charlot123]

When I lived in northern England in the summer it would get light around 4 o clock in the morning and stay light until 11 pm. That's about 19 hours of daylight.

In what season?

 

[Charlot123]

When I lived in northern England in the summer it would get light around 4 o clock in the morning and stay light until 11 pm. That's about 19 hours of daylight.

AI: “The length of a sun day in summer is primarily defined by latitude; the tilt of the Earth's axis relative to the sun, which varies based on your latitude, determines how much daylight you receive, making higher latitudes experience longer days during summer.”

I remember my trip to St. Petersburg in summer of 2013, during the white nights, here is how it felt:

“During the White Nights in St. Petersburg, Russia, the days are about 19 hourslong on average. The sun doesn't set until after 10 PM, and the twilight lasts almost all night. The sky is never completely dark, and the sun rises around 2 AM.


The White Nights occur every year from late May to mid-July in places near the Arctic Circle. St. Petersburg is located at 59 degrees 57' North, which is a high latitude where the sun doesn't descend far enough below the horizon for the sky to get dark.”

In Iceland end of May, “at the end of the month, sunrise comes at 3.25 am with sunset at 23:37, giving more than 20 daylight hours“.

Northern Latitudes, close to Arctic. I am talking about the length of the sun day.

Longitude is E-W, so technically, the sun should rise earlier in Eastern longitude’s but the total length of sunshine exposure depends on the latitude. Maybe we are asking for different things? Me - for longer sunny day, you - for the sun to get up earlier, or later?

 

[IceIce9]

When I lived in northern England in the summer it would get light around 4 o clock in the morning and stay light until 11 pm. That's about 19 hours of daylight.

When I was in Alaska during June and July we had 24 hours of daylight every day for weeks. It was amazing.

 

[branmuffin]

In what season?

Summer. In the winter it got dark around 3:30 pm and light again around 8:30 am.

 

[IceIce9]

Donald Trump wants to change how time works forever. Here’s why

A poll found that 62% of Americans want to end the practice of changing clocks

www.independent.co.uk

“The Republican Party will use its best efforts to eliminate Daylight Saving Time, which has a small but strong constituency, but shouldn’t!” Trump wrote on social media. “Daylight Saving Time is inconvenient, and very costly to our Nation.” Trump’s billionaire allies Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, whom he picked to lead a new Department of Government Efficiency, have endorsed Trump’s plan. In 2022, the U.S. Senate passed a bill called the Sunshine Protection Act that would make daylight saving time permanent. It stalled in the House of Representatives because lawmakers could not agree on whether to keep standard time or permanent daylight saving time.

 

[PrairieWind]

I really don't care if we pick standard of DST. It doesn't matter. It is the change twice a year that is the problem.

 

[mickey2942]

Already dreading it. My schedule is so crazy next month, and I really don't want to have it so dark in the mornings. And here, it stays light until past 10 pm in the summer.