Thread No. 20

[Bellgardin]

I'm glad to see you weigh in on this again Bellgardin as I hoped you would. After all this time imo this is a much more remarkable aspect in comparison to the early days where a claim had not been filed. Can't help but ask now especially in consideration of Cassidy's needs why no claim? I'm sure LE is baffled by this as well. Possible that a claim has been filed and we don't know about it? He has a good lawyer or so it's been said, can't he advise on it and protect his clients interest?

It definitely is possible that a claim could have been filed and we don't know about it. However, I do think that if the claim were actually paid we would definitely hear about it. We don't really know if JY actually has requested claim forms, returned them or really what stage the claim is in. I'm sure her death certificate has been finalized and contains the actual cause and manner of death. So, I don't think it's lack of paperwork that is holding it up. There are just so many variables and so many unknowns.

And what peaks my curiousity about it is that his supporters claim to not know. I asked once and was told he wasn't sure about it and then it was never mentioned again. My posts were all ignored after that. Maybe I hit a little too close to home?? If you notice, they rarely discuss the insurance aspect of this case. My honest opinion is that he has not filed for the proceeds out of fear it will make him look guilty. That happened a lot when I did that kind of work. People would wait a long time for some reason thinking that if they waited we wouldn't look into it. I don't really understand that way of thinking, but I'm not a criminal. It didn't matter to me how long it was between the claim and the date of death, we still would contact the investigating police dept.

Some people also wait because when they make that call or finally send in the papers and receive the check, it makes things final. It's like admitting that the person is really gone. I had one lady tell me that notifying the company was the hardest thing she had to do because it made the whole thing so final.

I'm sure JY's atty knows all of this and has advised that he wait. I'm sure he knows that as long as LE is the least bit interested in him, the ins. co. is not going to pay him the money whether he files a claim or not. I'm not sure how long that patience is going to hold out. If you didn't have anything to do with the murder of your spouse, there is nothing at all wrong with filing a claim for the proceeds-that's what insurance is for! However, if you did, you may not want to open that door for yet another group of people to question you.

 

[raisincharlie]

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I'm sure JY's atty knows all of this and has advised that he wait. I'm sure he knows that as long as LE is the least bit interested in him, the ins. co. is not going to pay him the money whether he files a claim or not. I'm not sure how long that patience is going to hold out. If you didn't have anything to do with the murder of your spouse, there is nothing at all wrong with filing a claim for the proceeds-that's what insurance is for! However, if you did, you may not want to open that door for yet another group of people to question you.

Bellgardin,

With respect to this issue - if a person makes a claim and the insurance company requests a deposition - what happens if that person refuses to cooperate and be deposed ? Can the insurance company refuse to deal with an uncooperative person who has not been cleared by a homicide investigation seek legal reassignment of the funds ? For some reason, I don't see a person who refuses to speak with LE having any desire to undergo a deposition either - JMO.

 

[Bellgardin]

Bellgardin,

With respect to this issue - if a person makes a claim and the insurance company requests a deposition - what happens if that person refuses to cooperate and be deposed ? Can the insurance company refuse to deal with an uncooperative person who has not been cleared by a homicide investigation seek legal reassignment of the funds ? For some reason, I don't see a person who refuses to speak with LE having any desire to undergo a deposition either - JMO.

Hi RC!!! How's it going?

To be perfectly honest, I do not know the answer to your question. I've never had any experience with that. I would imagine that the ins co could go to the judge and explain that they do not feel comfortable making a decision to pay him the money unless he's deposed and let the judge decide what to do. Maybe the judge would order him to be deposed or he doesn't get the money? I guess all sorts of things could happen.

I totally agree with you, if JY will not speak to LE even with his atty present, then there is NO way he would be willing to undergo a deposition which is a possible explanation for why he has not claimed the proceeds. I'm sure he learned from Justin Barber's mistake.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi RC!!! How's it going?

To be perfectly honest, I do not know the answer to your question. I've never had any experience with that. I would imagine that the ins co could go to the judge and explain that they do not feel comfortable making a decision to pay him the money unless he's deposed and let the judge decide what to do. Maybe the judge would order him to be deposed or he doesn't get the money? I guess all sorts of things could happen.

I totally agree with you, if JY will not speak to LE even with his atty present, then there is NO way he would be willing to undergo a deposition which is a possible explanation for why he has not claimed the proceeds. I'm sure he learned from Justin Barber's mistake.

Hello Bellgardin !

Hey thanks - I can't imagine a judge looking at this scenario making a judgement against an insurance company. A judge can make an enquiry of LE about the status of a homicide and who is suspected and why. Interesting. Thanks for your response - hope you are doing well !

 

[jake]

You? Posting at that horrid place?

Well, now I've heard everything.

Nope, ya too classy for them.

Sami

Howdy,

You're talking about RU. Not as classy as WS, of course. But the facts are there, even if they're not classy facts. The insiders over there--JTF, Gojo, Putup--will give you facts you don't want to know.

I recommend staying with WS.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Jake, you posted here earlier that investigators took a box of unused condoms from the master bedroom during their search of 5108 Birchleaf. I'm curious about that item. Friends of Michelle Money are said to have been told that Jason used a condom during their sexual encounter. So I wonder if that box of condoms was his for the purpose of using during extramarital sexual encounters rather than something belonging to Jason and Michelle as a couple. You probably wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

Howdy,

Thank God I don't. But if seems to me, if that were true, he would have them well-hidden.

Do you girls really talk about your affairs in such detail?

--Jake

 

[jake]

jake,

if you are genuine in your desire for justice for michelle, BOTH unborn baby boys and cassidy, then your prayers will be answered
when jason confesses to this brutal murder.

diplomacy or lack thereof is the least of it when considering who will end up in HELL.:furious:
it is an unrepentant killer and the liars who are aiding him to evade answering for what he did that night at 5108 birchleaf
who should be concerned with fire and brimstone.

and i reckon that jason is not looking forward to the trip...

Howdy,

I trust you are not including me in your list of liars going to hell. I am all for Michelle's killers going to hell.... and I certainly won't lie for them.

--Jake

 

[jake]

I'm still wondering if anyone knows whether or not JY has put in a claim for the life insurance money? It still says a lot to me that it hasn't been paid out.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!!!!

BG

Howdy,

Jason has not put in a claim for the insurance, as of yesterday. He doesn't need the money.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Hi Dep!

I agree. I think his attorney has probably advised with respect to the depo.
This guy is such a cowardly :chicken: that imo he won't go near that insurance co with a 10 ft pole. The way he's even apparently ditched his friends and refused to talk about this to anyone tells me he is probably paranoid about saving his own life. He's worth more than any $1million.

Howdy,

You've been misled. He has not ditched his friends.

--Jake

 

[jake]

I'd love to think they'd award it to Linda as trustee for Cassidy. Don't know where that would be in the odds of things...but I'd much rather think of that than it going to JY!

Howdy,

Just curious: do you know Linda?

--Jake

 

[jake]

Family of Slain Newspaper Carrier Vows to Change NC Fetal Homicide Laws

RALEIGH, N.C. — The father and husband of a slain pregnant woman vowed Friday to do everything in their power to change North Carolina's fetal homicide law, which bars prosecutors from seeking double murder charges.

"This is the murder of two human beings," said Kevin Blaine, whose daughter, Jennifer Nielsen, was eight months pregnant when she was killed two weeks ago.

"There's no reason an unborn child shouldn't be recognized in the case of a homicide," he said. Added Nielsen's husband, Tim: "It needs to be changed, and it needs to be changed as soon as possible."

Jennifer Nielsen, 22, was pregnant with her third child when she was found dead behind a Raleigh convenience store in the early morning hours of June 14. Authorities said she had been stabbed in the neck.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/1546058/


Now, if Jason Young is so innocent of Michelle's murder, why didn't he try to do anything to change the law since Michelle and her unborn child were killed last November??

Howdy,

I agree. I hope he will. Maybe when the killers are arrested, Jason will be more vocal.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Hi again! Hope everyone had a great weekend!

Unfortunately, there is no set answer because these situations are handled on a case by case basis. There are many different things that can happen-the bene(suspect) can sue the ins co to try to force them to release the proceeds to them (like Justin Barber) or the family can sue to stop the proceeds from being released to them (Kathleen Peterson). It's not a quick or easy thing to solve. However, I'm intrigued in this case because no claim has been made for the ins money.

There are statutes that set guidelines for interest and what the amt of interest is and what the start period is for the interest-so many days from receipt of proof of death or notice of death, date of death, etc... But every state is different and has different rules. However, I don't believe that any claim has been made, but you can bet that the ins co is aware of this case from the police. I don't know what the interest rate is(or if it is even required in NC-I don't remember!) but if the co is required to pay interest, they may not want to wait 2 or 4 or 5 years, they are going to want to pay the money eventually to someone. That's where it would get tricky and the court would probably get involved and what would happen is anyone's guess.

I've wondered more than once why the reporters have not touched on this aspect of this story. To me, it seems obvious that despite the JY "camp" trying to spin issues such as condoms, mysterious footprints and unidentified fingerprints in the MBR as showing he is NOT a poi or suspect in the eyes of LE, he still is or he would have claimed and been paid the ins money by now, period, end of story. That's my opinion anyway.

Howdy,

Thanks for your expertise on this insurance business. I think the insurance money is not real important to Jason. He makes a good living and can provide for himself and Cassie. I believe he looks upon it as a trust fund for Cassie when she might need it.

--Jake

 

[The Saint]

Howdy,

Thank God I don't. But if seems to me, if that were true, he would have them well-hidden.

Do you girls really talk about your affairs in such detail?

--Jake

why do you think jay's closet was torn apart?

 

[The Saint]

Howdy,

Thanks for your expertise on this insurance business. I think the insurance money is not real important to Jason. He makes a good living and can provide for himself and Cassie. I believe he looks upon it as a trust fund for Cassie when she might need it.

--Jake

"...when she might need it"
that is, when her father goes to prison for killing her mother.

 

[The Saint]

Howdy,

You've been misled. He has not ditched his friends.

--Jake

correct. it is the other way around. his friends have ditched him. killing your wife and unborn child makes you a bit of a pariah.

 

[jake]

why do you think jay's closet was torn apart?

Howdy,

I've wondered about that. Jason did have some money in there, but I don't know who knew about it. I doubt someone was looking for condoms.

However, I only saw it after the cops had been through. Maybe they did it?

--Jake

 

[jake]

"...when she might need it"
that is, when her father goes to prison for killing her mother.

Howdy,

I reckon that might be a needful time. Or, maybe when she leaves home for college?

--Jake

 

[jake]

correct. it is the other way around. his friends have ditched him. killing your wife and unborn child makes you a bit of a pariah.

Howdy,

Afraid you've been misled also. Jason's friends have not ditched him. We are all supportive.

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

Yawn - it is time for that iggy button activation.

 

[The Saint]

Howdy,

Afraid you've been misled also. Jason's friends have not ditched him. We are all supportive.

--Jake

i'm talking about his contemporaries, jake.