Thread No. 20

[snowshuze]

Don't have a clue - I think it is more of the usual.

Have you noticed that the Neilson family is doing lots of PR trying to get Rep Weland's Fetal Homicide Law enacted in NC ? Wonder if that law can be made to be retroactive ? Seems to me there should be a way to make it applicable to Michelle's case considering in theory it is most relevant. Glad someone's husband cares enough to take some action.

I guess some folks can't just "move on" until they deal with tragic issues.....like the murder of their beautiful wife and unborn child.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Don't have a clue - I think it is more of the usual.

Have you noticed that the Neilson family is doing lots of PR trying to get Rep Weland's Fetal Homicide Law enacted in NC ? Wonder if that law can be made to be retroactive ? Seems to me there should be a way to make it applicable to Michelle's case considering in theory it is most relevant. Glad someone's husband cares enough to take some action.

So very true. You'd think that with all the friends and family of Jason, someone would have recommended that he get actively involved with this...but it doesn't seem to be a big enough cause in his life right now, I guess, to try and enact laws that would help others in the future (to spare them the pain he has had to endure these past several months).

 

[snowshuze]

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Retroactive? Not a chance. I'd be in favor. But there's no way to declare something the killers did 8 months ago suddenly to be a crime.

O Jake, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, MURDER is a crime. TWO murders should be double the punishment.

 

[spring]

Don't have a clue - I think it is more of the usual.

Have you noticed that the Neilson family is doing lots of PR trying to get Rep Weland's Fetal Homicide Law enacted in NC ? Wonder if that law can be made to be retroactive ? Seems to me there should be a way to make it applicable to Michelle's case considering in theory it is most relevant. Glad someone's husband cares enough to take some action.

my good buddy gave me these links to post in case the brevardians get a wild hair and want to do something right for a change.

Nielsen--http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1547056/

Petition--http://www.petitiononline.com/061407/petition.html

House Bill 263--http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2007&BillID=H263

Rep. Walend--http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/viewMember.pl?sChamber=House&nUserID=196

First try to pass in 2005--Unborn Victims of Violence (H1324), sponsored by Representa-tives Trudi Walend and Dale Folwell;

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2005&BillID=h1324

 

[jake]

O Jake, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, MURDER is a crime. TWO murders should be double the punishment.

Not bad news to me. In fact, not even news. Keep in mind: the killers can only be executed once, not matter how many people they kill. No way to double the punishment.

 

[jake]

my good buddy gave me these links to post in case the brevardians get a wild hair and want to do something right for a change.

Nielsen--http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1547056/

Petition--http://www.petitiononline.com/061407/petition.html

House Bill 263--http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2007&BillID=H263

Rep. Walend--http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/viewMember.pl?sChamber=House&nUserID=196

First try to pass in 2005--Unborn Victims of Violence (H1324), sponsored by Representa-tives Trudi Walend and Dale Folwell;

[URL="http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2005&BillID=h1324"]http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2005&BillID=h1324[/URL]

Thanks. Trudi is a neighbor of the Youngs. They talk occasionally.

 

[jake]

I think it should be clear to anyone that reads a newspaper or watches TV that putting too much emphasis on the time lag between date of incident and date of arrest isn't always a sure thing. :banghead:

The more I think about this issue whether Jason has a "personal" attorney, "defense" attorney, or no attorney at all - IMO, if I was a POI in the brutal beating of my spouse and child, it's only prudent and logical to have a criminal defense attorney. I think Jason is somewhat smart, in a general term. But to not have a criminal defense attorney? Not smart, IMO.

And, we know he did at the beginning. Why wouldn't he now? Heck, doesn't really matter since he's pretending to move on with a normal life. The minute he finds out he's still #1 POI and they want to talk to him further, all he or mama has to do is pick up the phone and what do you know? He'll have a criminal defense attorney to tell the detectives, "No, I don't want to talk to you."

JMO.

Semantics are important. I'll continue to point this out every chance I get.

I'm curious: Why do you think Jason is 'pretending' to live a normal life? Has someone who knows him said something to you about that?

 

[spring]

Thanks. Trudi is a neighbor of the Youngs. They talk occasionally.

goodness! you would think someone who lost her baby grandson and had a political friend like that, she would be MAJORLY involved in spearheading this.

i guess it would be beneficial to wait tho if she feels her son might be arrested soon. wouldn't want to take the chance on it being retroactive!

 

[spring]

Semantics are important. I'll continue to point this out every chance I get.

I'm curious: Why do you think Jason is 'pretending' to live a normal life? Has someone who knows him said something to you about that?

DD, maybe you could hire him. he's good at these fishing expeditions, isn't he

 

[Scout]

~snipped~

The sister? I don't even like to mention her name. The cops haven't publicly mentioned her as a suspect. I prefer that posters draw their own conclusions. Other posters on other boards aren't so circumspect.

Jake, you know I can't let this slide after reading at least three previous posts by you over the last 13+ hours that directly contradict your statement.

Howdy, Scout.

Yeah, I have another "what if". But you&#8217;ll have to give up Jason for a while.

What if the murderers knew Jason was going to be out of town Thursday night into Friday. But they had no way to know he was planning to spend Friday night in Brevard.

They killed Michelle and left her there for Jason to discover when he came in Friday afternoon after his Virginia trip. Maybe this was meant to be payback to Jason for some real or imagined wrong.

But when Jason called Meredith and told her he wouldn't be back until Saturday and asked her to retrieve the document, their plan fell apart. This "fluke" crossed them up. Someone else had to discover the body. But still it could be made to seem that Jason was guilty.

A poster on another board, Cougermom, has the same theory. The only thing new is that we have assumed the killers knew Jason wouldn&#8217;t be back until Saturday. They didn&#8217;t. They expected him back Friday afternoon. JMO.

The sheriff said 'not random,' Scout. If not Jason.... who? Why not Meredith?

Don't know of anybody else he talked to that night.

You're hellbent on saving Jason from the fate he brought upon himself, and you have no shame in maligning the victim's sister to do so.

Michelle's injuries were not inflicted by a woman, Jake. She was killed by a man. A strong man, overflowing with malice.

You don't know Jason like you think you do, Jake. He's an egocentric man of low moral character. If his family is aware of his other transgressions, they have excused them for far too long.

 

[jake]

Jake, you know I can't let this slide after reading at least three previous posts by you over the last 13+ hours that directly contradict your statement.





You're hellbent on saving Jason from the fate he brought upon himself, and you have no shame in maligning the victim's sister to do so.

Michelle's injuries were not inflicted by a woman, Jake. She was killed by a man. A strong man, overflowing with malice.

You don't know Jason like you think you do, Jake. He's an egocentric man of low moral character. If his family is aware of his other transgressions, they have excused them for far too long.

A 'strong man' could choke a small woman. A 'strong man' would probably crush her skull several times with blows to the head.

 

[snowshuze]

Not bad news to me. In fact, not even news. Keep in mind: the killers can only be executed once, not matter how many people they kill. No way to double the punishment.

Well, at least we agree murderers should be executed.

But my above post was suggesting multiple life sentences.

 

[jake]

snipped to make it print------

Jake, you know I can't let this slide after reading at least three previous posts by you over the last 13+ hours that directly contradict your statement.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
Howdy, Scout.

Yeah, I have another "what if". But you’ll have to give up Jason for a while.

What if the murderers knew Jason was going to be out of town Thursday night into Friday. But they had no way to know he was planning to spend Friday night in Brevard.

They killed Michelle and left her there for Jason to discover when he came in Friday afternoon after his Virginia trip. Maybe this was meant to be payback to Jason for some real or imagined wrong.

But when Jason called Meredith and told her he wouldn't be back until Saturday and asked her to retrieve the document, their plan fell apart. This "fluke" crossed them up. Someone else had to discover the body. But still it could be made to seem that Jason was guilty.

A poster on another board, Cougermom, has the same theory. The only thing new is that we have assumed the killers knew Jason wouldn’t be back until Saturday. They didn’t. They expected him back Friday afternoon. JMO.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
The sheriff said 'not random,' Scout. If not Jason.... who? Why not Meredith?

Don't know of anybody else he talked to that night.



Notice, Scout, in the first one, I didn't accuse Meredith of anything. Jason called her.

In the second one, I was answering your question with a question of my own. You didn't answer, by the way.

What I told you is true.

 

[jake]

snipped to make it print------

Jake, you know I can't let this slide after reading at least three previous posts by you over the last 13+ hours that directly contradict your statement.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
Howdy, Scout.

Yeah, I have another "what if". But you’ll have to give up Jason for a while.

What if the murderers knew Jason was going to be out of town Thursday night into Friday. But they had no way to know he was planning to spend Friday night in Brevard.

They killed Michelle and left her there for Jason to discover when he came in Friday afternoon after his Virginia trip. Maybe this was meant to be payback to Jason for some real or imagined wrong.

But when Jason called Meredith and told her he wouldn't be back until Saturday and asked her to retrieve the document, their plan fell apart. This "fluke" crossed them up. Someone else had to discover the body. But still it could be made to seem that Jason was guilty.

A poster on another board, Cougermom, has the same theory. The only thing new is that we have assumed the killers knew Jason wouldn’t be back until Saturday. They didn’t. They expected him back Friday afternoon. JMO.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
The sheriff said 'not random,' Scout. If not Jason.... who? Why not Meredith?

Don't know of anybody else he talked to that night.



Notice, Scout, in the first one, I didn't accuse Meredith of anything. Jason called her.

In the second one, I was answering your question with a question of my own. You didn't answer, by the way.

What I told you is true.

 

[jake]

Sorry about the duplicate. I tried to edit but it didn't work. Something weird happened. I'll try again later.

 

[Scout]

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Notice, Scout, in the first one, I didn't accuse Meredith of anything. Jason called her.

In the second one, I was answering your question with a question of my own. You didn't answer, by the way.

What I told you is true.

Yes, you did accuse Meredith, Jake. You accused her of participating in a plan to murder her sister and arrange for Jason to find the bludgeoned corpse.

Your question has no basis except that you believe it could not have been Jason who killed Michelle. Provide some evidence, circumstantial or direct, that implicates Meredith.

 

[spring]

Yes, you did accuse Meredith, Jake. You accused her of participating in a plan to murder her sister and arrange for Jason to find the bludgeoned corpse.

Your question has no basis except that you believe it could not have been Jason who killed Michelle. Provide some evidence, circumstantial or direct, that implicates Meredith.

scout, did you ever happen to notice in all these months how the posse has tried hard to "imply" about Meredith, but this one is very careful NOT to say it. that tells me that he is afraid that his buddy is going to be convicted of this murder, and he is afraid of the backlash from the Fishers when it's all said and done. he has gotten his "students" to say it though. i think it's called using gojo to keep your hands clean of the BS.

 

[Scout]

scout, did you ever happen to notice in all these months how the posse has tried hard to "imply" about Meredith, but this one is very careful NOT to say it. that tells me that he is afraid that his buddy is going to be convicted of this murder, and he is afraid of the backlash from the Fishers when it's all said and done. he has gotten his "students" to say it though. i think it's called using gojo to keep your hands clean of the BS.

Not careful enough.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Yes, you did accuse Meredith, Jake. You accused her of participating in a plan to murder her sister and arrange for Jason to find the bludgeoned corpse.

Your question has no basis except that you believe it could not have been Jason who killed Michelle. Provide some evidence, circumstantial or direct, that implicates Meredith.

Scout,
Very succinct request.
The silence is deafening, IMO.
Too bad this will never be answered directly.

 

[spring]

Not careful enough.

i agree :doh:

i understand the need to deflect. what i don't understand is, if you are going to try to push all the blame on someone else and frame someone else, why beat around the bush about it? and then to go further, back away from it when confronted on it.

i am pretty firm on my where i stand, aren't you, scout?


i wonder if they have thought about how bad it will look when it is brought up at jason's trial that jy's family and friends tried to implicate Meredith, the victim's sister and the victim's mother as well. should help that jury see right through any defense, don't ya think?