TH's emails shed light on Horman split

[Chablis]

IMO, it's pretty obvious who leaked this.

I dont think it matters who leaked it if its the truth.

 

[human]

I agree.

If I had some strange man come to my house and demand money, and, I felt compelled to call 911, I think I would have mentioned it in the email I sent to my husband hours later.

Just seems strange.

Excellent point! Especially since she loves him and wants to work it out. She certainly needs his protection from crazies out there, right?

 

[Susan10]

I have to wonder if these leaked emails aren't but the tip of the iceberg. The sexting and the graphic sexual images will come out, too, in time. I anticipate that they will provide even more insight into the character of TH.

I think she will be arrested tomorrow. imo

 

[Kat010]

I'm with the group that says "No matter what, TH can't do anything right" and will get scorned no matter what. Sorry, but well, we're at that table, over there.

As far as what she meant by "gee, I wish I'd known that"--I think she meant that had she known that Kaine could take her daughter away from her and she couldn't stop him, she might not have trusted him and left the child with him.

If, *if* she's innocent, she's been really badly treated. If, if.

And I suspect that KH wasn't taking her calls.

I also suspect that LE is leaking emails in this trickle for one reason only: they really don't have anything concrete against her so they're hoping to continue to toss firewood over to the witch hunt. Really, I do.

Of course, I could be wrong. But right now rather than seeing compelling evidence that would lead to an arrest, all I see is LE trying anything at all.

Sadly, the focus now is on the emails, gossip, could-haves, maybe somebody in the truck rather than "where's Kyron" and "after 9 weeks why don't you have more?" Oh wait, "after 9 weeks why don't you have more?"

Of course putting the focus on this type of stuff is better for LE. Distracts from the lack of credible progress, IMHO. They have made me very angry.

 

[Leila]

So Kaine leaves with baby around 1:30pm
The sting op happens around 5:18pm
She sends this email to Kaine around 10:39pm
Calls 911 about the baby at 11:39pm
Then emails her friend about calling 911

IMO, her email to Kaine is trying to imply she is rational, Kaine was ANGRY when he left, Kaine is breaking the law, and she is getting her feelers out there to see if Kaine replies that he knows all about the MFH because she needs so badly to know if what happened at 5:18pm that day was an attempted sting operation and if they are on to her.

ETA: IMO she was trying to see if she would get a response like 'what do you mean I am breaking the law, you are the breaking the law trying to have me killed!' Or 'what do you mean you love me, you tried to have me killed!'

This makes a lot of sense.........very logical that TH would be trying to find out what KH knew. It was wise of him not to respond to her email.

 

[human]

It looks to me like they've already talked or emailed prior to this email, because at the point of this email, it's clear she knows he has left and taken the baby.

So I would think talking about the sting would have happened in an earlier conversation, not wait until this later conversation.

I don't have the link, but didn't she call LE and find out about the baby at that time? I thought somewhere that LE said it was a custody issue and that's how she found out about Kaine's rights with the baby.

 

[6angels]

These emails were written to Kaine, the other emails were written to a friend..

Either both of them handed them over to the media just recently, or this was leaked by LE.

I think Terri leaked them to show she did want her child IMO

She would have both e-mails as she sent both.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Do kidnapper or murderers emails have more of a Stephen King-ish tone or something? :waitasec:

To me all these emails have one thing in common from a writing standpoint - they are cold and flat in tone. No passion, no real emotion, just ... nothing.

I'll tell you one thing - if my husband was taking away my daughter I would hardly take time to sit and write "logical" emails!

She seems like a person who thinks she can talk her way out of anything. :furious:

So to me all these emails smell like desperation but they don't have much fight or emotion in them. I think when she wrote some of these she had no idea just how deep a hole she had really dug for herself.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Sadly, the focus now is on the emails, gossip, could-haves, maybe somebody in the truck rather than "where's Kyron" and "after 9 weeks why don't you have more?" Oh wait, "after 9 weeks why don't you have more?"

Of course putting the focus on this type of stuff is better for LE. Distracts from the lack of credible progress, IMHO. They have made me very angry.

These are her emails and likely leaked by her own defense attorney to show how rational she was.

Unfortunately the tone is so inappropriate compared to the turmoil of Kyron's parents that she is coming across as a cold and calculating person.

But hey - that may come out in time anyway. :angel: If she wants to help that along I'm all for it!

 

[Aedrys]

I don't have the link, but didn't she call LE and find out about the baby at that time? I thought somewhere that LE said it was a custody issue and that's how she found out about Kaine's rights with the baby.

My question is, why did she think Kaine taking baby K was illegal? Baby K is his child too. She doesn't get more rights to baby K because she's the mom. That has totally baffled me. I mean, all that she's been through with her son and custody, and she doesn't realize KH had the right to take their child? I don't get it.

And I now understand more about the email. I totally forgot you can check email on cellphones now, duh. I guess, to me, it just seemed petty - Oh, he pissed me off, so you know what, I'm gonna send him an angry email! That will show him! I just feel like it was a juvenile thing to do unless an attorney told her to do so, and she didn't have one at that point. But I can see doing it if it KH wasn't answering his phone calls and she wanted something in writing to show the judge that she does care and did try to find out where he had gone with their baby and why.

 

[BeanE]

I don't have the link, but didn't she call LE and find out about the baby at that time? I thought somewhere that LE said it was a custody issue and that's how she found out about Kaine's rights with the baby.

Looks like this email is before she called 911 about the custody. The earlier 911 call around 5:30 was about the man threatening her - the sting.

 

[Nana46]

But who writes in a logical manner like this when all around you the stepson is missing, your hubby has left with your baby? It is like she is writing a neighbor down the street.....weird.IMO

 

[ami]

Ok here are my thoughts on this:
Understanding that there is at least some editing that occurred on the email, I am looking at the tone of the email. It rings false to me. It is like someone who is trying not to appear angry, but drips with anger.

She says she loves KH, but where is the reminder that he and she are under stress because Kryon is missing and the plea not to be too hasty? Where is the concern for KH? I mean the man has a missing son and has now walked out on her. Where is her 'concern' for KH's well being? Kyron should be the biggest thing in their lives, up until KH was walking out, I would have expected some mention of it if she was really trying to be loving and compassionate and some concern about her husband's health.

The signs of anger I see are the word "ridiculous." Very provoking word when used in an argument. Accusing him of criminal acts, abduction. And by the way, that is a controlling persons response. "We split up, of course I am taking the kids."

Asking if "their" daughter is "safe" is almost a condemnation. What would make her think their daughter would not be safe with him? She stops just short of accusing him of being capable of harming their daughter.

And that note to her friend! "Gee too bad I didn't know that????" I mean is that a motive? She was afraid that if she left KH before he might get their daughter, so instead of leaving she tried to do ..................what? At least that is the way I read it.

I totally agree with this!!

First thing I think is: Kaine's son has been abducted - and Terri is saying to him (re: taking baby K, clearly alive and clearly not "missing") that he is "abducting" her? How inhumanly cruel is that.

Second, it's academically interesting that by implication Terri is revealing that she believes being "angry" might provoke child abduction in a spouse. She thinks Kaine is angry at her and that his anger is the cause for him "abducting" "her" daughter.

 

[Kateyes]

I'll just go ahead and say that she sounds completely sane and reasonable in her e-mail to Kaine.

It's not a defense, just an observation.

Cypress, I couldn't agree with you more, with one caveat. If only I could read this email, and not have the knowledge of the MFH. Sadly, we all know about the MFH, and in light of that knowledge I found TH to be either bold, sociopathic, stupid, or some other term that alludes me at the moment, to ask KH what needed to be done to reconcile this (paraphrasing). I mean to say that TH very well knew that she tried to pull off a MFH on Kaine even as she wrote that email. So, with that info out there for public knowledge it totally changes what impression of TH that email gives me. JMHO

 

[Ada]

It looks to me like they've already talked or emailed prior to this email, because at the point of this email, it's clear she knows he has left and taken the baby.

So I would think talking about the sting would have happened in an earlier conversation, not wait until this later conversation.

I still think I would have thrown in a "what if that man comes back?!" :crazy:

 

[TxLady2]

Ok... not bouncing off anybody, just some thoughts after skimming through the thread.

In some states, one parent taking a child to conceal the child from the other parent IS considered kidnapping. He left the home, with clothes and necessities, in secret, without telling her where he was going. That's illegal some places.
I have a feeling that IF Terri were not considered the suspect, and IF all this had not happened with Kyron, and IF LE had not just found out about the MFH, then when she called 911 after getting no response from Kaine, deputies would have been sent out to find him and might have arrested him. They didn't, because they were behind him leaving with the baby to start with. They considered it removing her and himself from imminent danger. (Although I fail to see why soliciting a LS/Hitman 6 months prior is "imminent" danger, but that's just me.)

Also... not trying to step on anyone's toes and I do understand that some have very strong feelings, BUT... why is it that Terri is accused of not wanting the baby because she didn't fight the RO... yet Desiree is given a free pass, not trying to get Kyron back? That's sort of a double standard, IMO. I mean, if my child were sobbing and begging to stay with me and didn't want to go back to his dad... I would fight grizzlies and mountain lions to get him back!! As long as he was happy, fine... but unhappy? Sobbing? That's not normal, and it certainly is not in a child's best interests. I wonder if Kaine was so determined to keep him that he made threats to her if she tried to regain custody. You never know... there is some very serious hink there, IMO.

And oh, yeah, this is in response to a comment a few pages back.... Innocent Until Proven Guilty works outside the courtroom too. LE can suspect anyone, they can arrest someone, and gather enough evidence to have them charged. But that person is still considered innocent until a judge or a jury deems them guilty. I'm afraid Terri has already been convicted in the court of public opinion, but she is still innocent as far as the law and the justice system is concerned.

 

[gardeness]

I'm with the group that says "No matter what, TH can't do anything right" and will get scorned no matter what. Sorry, but well, we're at that table, over there.

As far as what she meant by "gee, I wish I'd known that"--I think she meant that had she known that Kaine could take her daughter away from her and she couldn't stop him, she might not have trusted him and left the child with him.

If, *if* she's innocent, she's been really badly treated. If, if.

And I suspect that KH wasn't taking her calls.

I also suspect that LE is leaking emails in this trickle for one reason only: they really don't have anything concrete against her so they're hoping to continue to toss firewood over to the witch hunt. Really, I do.

Of course, I could be wrong. But right now rather than seeing compelling evidence that would lead to an arrest, all I see is LE trying anything at all.

Sadly, the focus now is on the emails, gossip, could-haves, maybe somebody in the truck rather than "where's Kyron" and "after 9 weeks why don't you have more?" Oh wait, "after 9 weeks why don't you have more?"

Of course putting the focus on this type of stuff is better for LE. Distracts from the lack of credible progress, IMHO. They have made me very angry.

Hear, hear.

There is still no evidence being released in this case, only bits of inflammatory information that is heightening the anger of the mob...

 

[gardeness]

These are her emails and likely leaked by her own defense attorney to show how rational she was.

Unfortunately the tone is so inappropriate compared to the turmoil of Kyron's parents that she is coming across as a cold and calculating person.

But hey - that may come out in time anyway. :angel: If she wants to help that along I'm all for it!

bbm

Interesting, because others have said that the reporter who wrote on her Facebook about this thought that last night would be the first time Terri's attorney ever heard of these emails...

 

[wondering1]

So Kaine leaves with baby around 1:30pm
The sting op happens around 5:18pm
She sends this email to Kaine around 10:39pm
Calls 911 about the baby at 11:39pm
Then emails her friend about calling 911

IMO, her email to Kaine is trying to imply she is rational, Kaine was ANGRY when he left, Kaine is breaking the law, and she is getting her feelers out there to see if Kaine replies that he knows all about the MFH because she needs so badly to know if what happened at 5:18pm that day was an attempted sting operation and if they are on to her.

ETA: IMO she was trying to see if she would get a response like 'what do you mean I am breaking the law, you are the breaking the law trying to have me killed!' Or 'what do you mean you love me, you tried to have me killed!'

I think this is it exactly. I wrote about it and my computer crashed as I posted. But I usually copy and save while I'm typing-- a habit I picked up after losing more than one gigantic document at work lol. So I saved nearly all of it. Totally consistent with your take. Sadly, I'm guessing we both have way too much first-hand knowledge of what it's like to deal with a person like I imagine TH to be.

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About an hour later, Terri Horman e-mailed a friend and said she called 911 but was directed to a non-emergency dispatcher.
"Guess what? Since we are married we have joint custody and he can do that. Gee, too bad I didn't know that," she wrote.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??? Did anyone catch this? Omgosh...is she saying too bad I didn't know this because I could have just done this instead of....

What else could it mean? WOW!

I THINK she means she would have taken baby k and left first if she'd known she could get away with it. Of course that is totally inconsistent with her e-mail to kh (love you/want to reconcile), but is most likely the truth.

Like some others, I think her e-mail is a classic *feeler outer.* It's inconsistent -- i love you/will have you arrested if you don't do what I say, and it hangs the question of *what's wrong* out there, imo, because she doesn't know which bad thing she's done that he is on to, or even if he is onto anything. Totally classic. The recipient, being a relatively normal person, usually feels compelled to respond because they can't be sure that the "feeler outer" is not being genuine. And it's someone they care about, so they feel badly if they assume the worst and don't give the FO an opportunity to explain or redeem themselves. Or, if the recipient is very angry, the apparent oblivousness of the FO is so maddening enough to make you respond with something like *what, are you serious???* In other words, the e-mail pushes ALL of the buttons at the SAME time, in the hopes that one of them will work and the FO can get the recipient back in their sphere of control. That's why the messages in the e-mail to KH are somewhat inconsistent.

Also, ime, the FO's are usually very understated, because the more reasonable the FO appears to be and sound, the more likely they are to get a response at all and/or a less confrontational response. That also makes it easier for the FO'er to get the situation under control.

Imo, what TH didn't understand was that the outrageousness of what she had done wrt the MFH was shown to KH in such a credible manner that him responding to her was simply not an option. It was enough to render him unswayable -- even by TH. That's probably never happened to her before with KH.

I wonder if she had put two and two together about KH leaving and the attempted sting by then. If so, that was one heck of a brazen "feeling out" attempt. jmoo

 

[tiredblondy]

But who writes in a logical manner like this when all around you the stepson is missing, your hubby has left with your baby? It is like she is writing a neighbor down the street.....weird.IMO

And you know your email is being monitored by the LE...because by this time I believe she had the untraceable cell phones...so she sends an email to Kaine like this.:waitasec: Nawww all fishing and slight change of plans.

As for Houze leaking this stuff ... I don't think so. Houze is probably learning a lot because I don't think TH is capable of telling the truth.

I suspect DeDe's attorney is learning a lot too. MOO