Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[SnooperDuper]

I think the signed and witnessed affidavit clinched it for me. Regardless of whether both plaintiff and defendant are guilty, we know van Allen was a police officer as is stipulated in the Spec article. Sheds a lot of light on the workings of justice in my opinion, whichever way you look at it. Not saying all are the same but certainly not as above reproach as many may think. JMO IMO

Van Allen is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law.

Detective Sergeant Jim Van Allen was awarded the prestigious Order of Merit by Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, Governor General of Canada.

 

[Tamarind]

I agree; a rush to judgement. An internet background check on Donald Best and his cohorts' shenanigans (and tie-up of courts) in Canada and Barbados might lead to questioning of his allegations.

Rushing to judgement can come from both sides of a case in my opinion. It's better to wait till a trial before assembling a rock pile in my opinion. In the case I posted whichever side is favoured doesn't help the wheels of justice. We do however know that van Allen was/is a police officer.

 

[Tamarind]

Van Allen is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law.

Correct, but we do know he is a police officer as is Best. Whichever one/ or both that is guilty, is the point being made .

 

[SnooperDuper]

Correct, but we do know he is a police officer as is Best. Whichever one is guilty is the point being made .

Irrelevant point. Van Allen's observations and professional opinion are still valid. The fact that some criminal has a personal blog that is not MSM and should not be linked here has no bearing on the Spec article or the DM case.

 

[Tamarind]

Irrelevant point. Van Allen's observations and professional opinion are still valid. The fact that some criminal has a personal blog that is not MSM and should not be linked here has no bearing on the Spec article or the DM case.

There are many links to blogs and to lawyers websites on this site. The link I posted was to a lawyers website. The relationship to the DM case is that the Spec article mentioned someone who gave an opinion. I happen to think that his opinion is just that, an opinion. Not all would or do share his opinion. DP has been constantly demeaned and ridiculed on this thread for his statements, I see no reason to limit the questioning of statements to DP's. Thats my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

There are many links to blogs and to lawyers websites on this site. The link I posted was to a lawyers website.

No, it is not a lawyer's website, it is a defendant's personal blog (and thus highly biased)

 

[Tamarind]

No, it is not a lawyer's website, it is a defendant's personal blog (and thus highly biased)

I think all blogs are highly biased depending on the view of the blogger, but when backed up by affidavits ( truth in law) it helps develop a viewpoint. I don't wish to bicker about the small matter of opinion. HTH

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think all blogs are highly biased depending on the view of the blogger, but when backed up by affidavits ( truth in law) it helps develop a viewpoint. I don't wish to bicker about the small matter of opinion. HTH

An affidavit is only one person's truth. DM is willing to swear before the courts that he is not guilty. That does not make that true. Likewise with Best's allegations.

I don't take the viewpoint that anyone willing to lie is innocent.

 

[Arnie M]

But, but, but....these are just allegations against Jim Van Allen. I think you should be defending him over and over again! What happened to presumed innocence??

:facepalm:

my my .... hypocrisy exposed ... Haaa .... good one redheart ... !!!!

Next we will be told it is just "presumed hypocrisy" .... hehe

 

[Alethea Dice]

It seems the opinion of innocent until proven guilty depends on the person in question and what one knows or doesn't know with the information they have chosen to make available to themselves, as does the willingness to assume guilt based on whether a person lied. It really doesn't matter IMO because we all have, and are entitled to have, our own thoughts and opinions based on what we have endeavored to learn about each situation in order to make our choices.

However, I also don't think it's fair or justified to accuse someone of hypocrisy, when it appears that same discrepancy has been applied from the opposite side only in reverse.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I think all blogs are highly biased depending on the view of the blogger, but when backed up by affidavits ( truth in law) it helps develop a viewpoint. I don't wish to bicker about the small matter of opinion. HTH

Of course they are. That's what a blog is. Regardless of whether the blogger is related to MSM or to LE or just someone who likes to publish their thoughts, a blog is still their own personal journal based on what they know.

Blog

(n.) Short for Web log, a blog is a Web page that serves as a publicly accessible personal journal for an individual. Typically updated daily, blogs often reflect the personality of the author.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/B/blog.html

JMO

 

[Tamarind]

My opinion is based on what I see from evidence or lack of. Being exposed as someone who is capable of forming an opinion based on the information thus provided in each individual case, is fine with me. Every ones opinion is valuable to a debate, so I'd like to thank everyone for their opinion, even if I don't agree with it. :tyou:

 

[Arnie M]

Confusing emotion and opinion

People who express personal feelings and emotions are doing just that.
It is simply a personal utterance that may not even be realistic
"I feel he is innocent" or "I feel he is guilty" has absolutely no effect on whether he is , or he isn't.

Opinion should be something entirely different.
Opinion should be divorced from emotion .
Opinion should be based on information , logic , reason , and as many facts as possible at the time.

Opinion requires justification
.... to simply say "in my opinion he is innocent" is not enough ... you should say .... I think he is innocent because a long time ago police threw someone in jail who turned out to be not guilty.

... to simply say "In my opinion he is guilty" is not enough ... better to say .... "I think he is guilty" because the crime points to his involvement , his equipment , his property , his families property , his physical description , his body markings ... and he has provided no public information to refute it.

It is my opinion that the 3% who dislike the 97% on the Tim Bosma murder topic are clinging to emotion disguised as opinion which only leads to senseless arguments about nothing.

 

[Arnie M]

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Further to Confusing emotion and opinion

Each one is valid and have their place , the mistake is trying to blend them within one discussion

Take a lesson from aviation discussion boards , accident discussions can be very intense as well as very emotional and you will find they have two simultaneous threads , one for condolences and emotionalism's , remembrances , discussions about friendships , families and careers involving fellow pilots. All personal and complimentary . There is no finger pointing and no blame mentioned

A parallel thread will be an intense investigative discussion , no condolences or emotions are involved , it is fact gathering , finger pointing , laying blame where appropriate , blame is laid on either machines or people , or both , and no feelings get hurt . The end result is educational and designed to prevent it from happening again.

Because if we can prevent accidents from happening to us , or prevent crimes from happening to us , it can go a long ways toward keeping our emotions and feelings on the happy side of life. And that is important , in my opinion.

 

[swedie]

IMHO in the end it's not going to make one iota of difference what any of us have to say here on TB's forum. The fact is, we cannot changed what happened to the three murdered victims and the suffering their loved ones have gone through and will continue to go through. But what we can do is keep faith that justice will be served. For whatever any ones reasoning in participating/commenting here, whether it's to sympathize, denial, annoy, persuade, evade, whatever...in the end the facts have long been collected, will be presented in a court of law and there will be a verdict regardless of what we say. It's the inevitable, like it or not.

I for one, have firm faith justice will be served for LB, WM and TB because I believe LE have done an exceptional and extremely thorough job of gathering solid evidence, thanks to the perpetrators for making TB's case easier for LE to solve, which then gave way for the other two murders to be solved. I have great faith the twelve jurors who will eventually be chosen for each trial, will be intelligent enough to differentiate facts from lies in order to bring justice for the victims. Someone is evil and heartless and responsible for taking their lives and someone will be held accountable. And the fact there is denial, for that I darn well hope the guilty get the maximum sentence allowable in a court of law, not only for the victims' sake, but society as a whole. The last thing we all need is more evil in this world. I pray the jurors who have to sit through these horrific trials, have the strength to be able to deal with the trauma brought about by fulfilling their civic duty, in order to bring about justice for those murdered. May they be able to overcome the emotional damage such trials can bring about.

And why? All because one, two or perhaps three freaks felt it would be thrilling to murder others for whatever personal gain they desired. They have destroy so many lives and taken away the victims' lives so cruelly and so many peoples' sense of peace and security and trust in mankind. For that I hope the guilty have nothing left in lives to ever look forward to other then their next shower, meal or piece of lame fan mail, while waiting out the rest of their pitiful lives in a prison cell, shut away from the rest of the world. They deserve nothing better, just like RW, PB, MR and so many other guilty, murderous monsters.

So with that, if DM and MS are guilty of one, two and/or three murders, there is no denying they don't deserves what is coming to them...prison for many years, if not the rest of their natural lives.

ALL MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

New judge for Bosma case

A new judge will preside over the Tim Bosma first-degree-murder trial when it resumes Monday.

The Spectator has learned Justice Andrew Goodman will replace Justice Stephen Glithero, who became ill earlier this week.

It is unclear whether the replacement is temporary or if Goodman will be the judge for the trial, which is scheduled for January. If Goodman is the permanent judge, he will have the option of continuing on with the pretrial motions where Glithero left off, or starting over again.

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/5943328-new-judge-for-bosma-case

 

[matou]

I figured this would happen. It's better that Glithero be replaced if there is a possibility that he would not be able to focus on the trial 100%.

 

[deugirtni]

I figured this would happen. It's better that Glithero be replaced if there is a possibility that he would not be able to focus on the trial 100%.

Or if he was not able to make it through the entire trial when it commences in January. Somehow I am not happy with this news.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm surprised and disappointed. SG sounded like an interesting wise old fellow, and I feel this is a loss if he has indeed been taken from the case.

 

[Tamarind]

I'm surprised and disappointed. SG sounded like an interesting wise old fellow, and I feel this is a loss if he has indeed been taken from the case.

Having had the opportunity to meet/speak with Mr Goodman on a few occasions I would say he is quite a fair man. So who knows, justice may be served. :secret: