Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[matou]

Don't know Glithero = possible mess up in justice?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Don't know Glithero = possible mess up in justice?

If you mean DM used his vast resources to pay off the judge to take a dive for him, no, nothing like that

If you mean no other judge can administrate the trial...no, not likely either.

The new judge has the opportunity to restart the proceedings...surely everyone will remain on the same page.

 

[Tamarind]

I guess it will be easier for you to accept a guilty verdict if it comes from someone you know and trust.

I made no mention of trust. I didn't say I knew him as a friend. I said I'd had the opportunity to meet with and speak with him and from those 10-12 interactions I would say he seems fair to me. I also know that in the area he previous sat as a judge, he was one of, if not the preferred judge for being fair and for paying attention to detail. This case lacks detail from what I can see. I would say that the more the defense can explain to Mr Goodman would please him. He is known to ask for detail and not be happy if things do not make sense. This is where I feel the crown may fall short. JMO

He is also a stickler for things being time sensitive. FWIW

 

[swedie]

Having had the opportunity to meet/speak with Mr Goodman on a few occasions I would say he is quite a fair man. So who knows, justice may be served. :secret:

Seriously?! hwow: Me too! I didn't get to personally meet or speak with him, just sat in a courtroom many a days while he presided over a case I had great interest in. Oh absolutely Tamarind, I have no doubt he will see to it justice is served for TB. But seriously though Tamarind, isn't that the role of a judge, to be fair and see that justice is served? :thinking: MOO.

 

[swedie]

I made no mention of trust. I didn't say I knew him as a friend. I said I'd had the opportunity to meet with and speak with him and from those 10-12 interactions I would say he seems fair to me. I also know that in the area he previous sat as a judge, he was one of, if not the preferred judge for being fair and for paying attention to detail. This case lacks detail from what I can see. I would say that the more the defense can explain to Mr Goodman would please him. He is known to ask for detail and not be happy if things do not make sense. This is where I feel the crown may fall short. JMO

He is also a stickler for things being time sensitive. FWIW

BBM - How so? Last I heard there's a PB in effect. Don't be fooled into thinking because a lot of detail didn't come out during the early days of the investigation, detail is lacking. :notgood: Have no fear, there's an overwhelming amount of detail. Hang onto your hat as the details/evidence will blow you away. JMHO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

BBM - How so? Last I heard there's a PB in effect. Don't be fooled into thinking because a lot of detail didn't come out during the early days of the investigation, detail is lacking. :notgood: Have no fear, there's an overwhelming amount of detail. Hang onto your hat as the details/evidence will blow you away. JMHO.

Interestingly enough, he presided over the Christopher Gale case in London where one juror was found to have broken his/her oath through not being impartial. AG declared a mistrial:

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/03/08/gale-mistrial-will-likely-remain-a-jury-mystery

AG presided over the retrial and CG was convicted:

http://www.metronews.ca/news/london/2013/10/10/christopher-gale-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison.html

 

[Tamarind]

Seriously?! hwow: Me too! I didn't get to personally meet or speak with him, just sat in a courtroom many a days while he presided over a case I had great interest in.

hwow: With work I haven't had that opportunity, but I hope to have time to sit in on this case.

Oh absolutely Tamarind, I have no doubt he will see to it justice is served for TB. But seriously though Tamarind, isn't that the role of a judge, to be fair and see that justice is served? :thinking: MOO.

Yes seriously I also believe that fairness is a judges role. I just don't believe all judges are equally qualified in that area. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

BBM - How so? Last I heard there's a PB in effect. Don't be fooled into thinking because a lot of detail didn't come out during the early days of the investigation, detail is lacking. :notgood: Have no fear, there's an overwhelming amount of detail. Hang onto your hat as the details/evidence will blow you away. JMHO.

We shall see, I feel sure more is coming out at some point. I think it will be interesting how this plays out... Maybe I will leave the hat at home and bring my magnifying spectacles

 

[swedie]

hwow: With work I haven't had that opportunity, but I hope to have time to sit in on this case.



Yes seriously I also believe that fairness is a judges role. I just don't believe all judges are equally qualified in that area. JMO

No problem here, it's part of my job. I'm hoping to get assigned to sit in on these trials for a stint. It's not my jurisdiction but I put in a special request. Keeping my fingers crossed. lease:

No worries, Justice Goodman is a decent and fair judge. If there's worry about fairness, it's perhaps the jurors some have to worry about being fair. But in this case, too many people want justice for TB and his loved ones and see to it the real murder(s) are removed from society. We'll just have to be patient and wait to find out what all that evidence is. The Crown and AG don't believe there is a lack of evidence or detail, so let's have faith in them.
ALL MOO.

 

[MsSherlock]

Having had the opportunity to meet/speak with Mr Goodman on a few occasions I would say he is quite a fair man. So who knows, justice may be served. :secret:

IMHO, regardless if we're best friends with a Judge, it's extremely important that we address them in the appropriate fashion when we're referencing them, so I was kind of surprised to see him referenced as "Mr".

Justice Goodman is a Superior Court Judge. IMO, it's simply not appropriate to address a Superior Court Judge or any Judge for that matter as Mr., Ms. or Mrs. Once properly referenced in an article, journalists will sometimes omit the salutation and refer to them by their last name.

I have absolutely no doubt that Justice Glithero would have been just as fair as Justice Goodman is going to be. At the end of the day, a Superior Court Justice will oversee the trial of DM & MS. The evidence hasn't changed, the Jury won't be any different and the verdict certainly won't be any different.

 

[Tamarind]

No problem here, it's part of my job. I'm hoping to get assigned to sit in on these trials for a stint. It's not my jurisdiction but I put in a special request. Keeping my fingers crossed. lease:

That will be nice for you. I have a friend who is a reporter who would love that opportunity.

No worries, Justice Goodman is a decent and fair judge. If there's worry about fairness, it's perhaps the jurors some have to worry about being fair. But in this case, too many people want justice for TB and his loved ones and see to it the real murder(s) are removed from society. We'll just have to be patient and wait to find out what all that evidence is. The Crown and AG don't believe there is a lack of evidence or detail, so let's have faith in them.
ALL MOO.

I don't think we can or have to worry about jurors who have yet to be selected. As with judges, nature can be a funny thing. We are not all the same, but in some cases that's a good thing IMO

 

[matou]

IMHO, regardless if we're best friends with a Judge, it's extremely important that we address them in the appropriate fashion when we're referencing them, so I was kind of surprised to see him referenced as "Mr".

Justice Goodman is a Superior Court Judge. IMO, it's simply not appropriate to address a Superior Court Judge or any Judge for that matter as Mr., Ms. or Mrs. Once properly referenced in an article, journalists will sometimes omit the salutation and refer to them by their last name.

I have absolutely no doubt that Justice Glithero would have been just as fair as Justice Goodman is going to be. At the end of the day, a Superior Court Justice will oversee the trial of DM & MS. The evidence hasn't changed, the Jury won't be any different and the verdict certainly won't be any different.

Exactly. Knowing someone doesn't mean they do a better job. Justice is justice.

 

[Tamarind]

IMHO, regardless if we're best friends with a Judge, it's extremely important that we address them in the appropriate fashion when we're referencing them, so I was kind of surprised to see him referenced as "Mr".

Justice Goodman is a Superior Court Judge. IMO, it's simply not appropriate to address a Superior Court Judge or any Judge for that matter as Mr., Ms. or Mrs. Once properly referenced in an article, journalists will sometimes omit the salutation and refer to them by their last name.

I have absolutely no doubt that Justice Glithero would have been just as fair as Justice Goodman is going to be. At the end of the day, a Superior Court Justice will oversee the trial of DM & MS. The evidence hasn't changed, the Jury won't be any different and the verdict certainly won't be any different.

He wasn't in his judge capacity when I saw him. I think he would have been amused had I called him Your honour or judge in a non court surrounding don't you?

We shall see what changes and what any verdict may be. I dont believe I have made any suggestion that Glitheroe would not be a good judge. My post was about Mr Goodman.

 

[redheart]

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[swedie]

Interestingly enough, he presided over the Christopher Gale case in London where one juror was found to have broken his/her oath through not being impartial. AG declared a mistrial:

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/03/08/gale-mistrial-will-likely-remain-a-jury-mystery

AG presided over the retrial and CG was convicted:

http://www.metronews.ca/news/london/2013/10/10/christopher-gale-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison.html

Interesting tidbits from CG's sentencing, AG's remark. MOO.

C Gale will be behind bars for a minimum of 15 years for the 2010 murder of his common-law partner Jocelyn Bishop.

Superior Court Justice Andrew Goodman delivered the sentence Thursday in front families of both the killer and the victim.

Goodman outright rejected a jury recommendation of 10 years before Gale can apply for parole. He described the recommendation as “totally unrealistic.”

http://www.metronews.ca/news/london/2013/10/10/christopher-gale-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison.html

His conviction carries a mandatory life sentence, but the parole ineligibility period could be set from 10 years to 25 years.

Assistant Crown attorney Laurie Tuttle asked for 17 to 18 years. Defence lawyer John Getliffe suggested the 10-year minimum.

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/10/10/c...er-gale-sentencing-set-for-thursday-afternoon

 

[iluvmua]

Has Christina been to trial yet?

 

[matou]

Has Christina been to trial yet?

No. None of the accused have yet.

 

[Tamarind]

Exactly. Knowing someone doesn't mean they do a better job. Justice is justice.

No one has claimed that to be the case. But it's always a good thing when a judge has a reputation as being somewhat fair IMO

 

[iluvmua]

No. None of the accused have yet.

How many years are each of the accused looking at?

 

[Tamarind]

Interesting tidbits from CG's sentencing, AG's remark. MOO.

C Gale will be behind bars for a minimum of 15 years for the 2010 murder of his common-law partner Jocelyn Bishop.

Superior Court Justice Andrew Goodman delivered the sentence Thursday in front families of both the killer and the victim.

Goodman outright rejected a jury recommendation of 10 years before Gale can apply for parole. He described the recommendation as “totally unrealistic.”

http://www.metronews.ca/news/london/2013/10/10/christopher-gale-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison.html

His conviction carries a mandatory life sentence, but the parole ineligibility period could be set from 10 years to 25 years.

Assistant Crown attorney Laurie Tuttle asked for 17 to 18 years. Defence lawyer John Getliffe suggested the 10-year minimum.

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/10/10/c...er-gale-sentencing-set-for-thursday-afternoon

Having kept up with the Gale case, Andrew Goodmans call was as I would expect FWIW.