Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[swedie]

Just read back a page or two. HTH

Thanks, I've been reading all information as posted. Respectfully asking, are you a certified forensic psychiatrist/psychologist to know what constitutes the make up, traits, analysis and statistics of those who commit murder against others for the thrill of it? You believe TB's murder was not a thrill kill based on what IYO? MOO and TIA.

Also, to answer your question from a previous post. There can be more than one motive for committing murder. What makes you believe a murderer only needs one motive? Could it be their plan was for MS to benefit from TB's truck while DM had the thrill of killing or vice versa? All MOO.

Here's some thrill kill cases if anyone is interested. Can anyone see any similarities in these cases?

The first case, the couple lured their victim through a Craigslist ad.

Barbour told police he and his wife had tried to kill others. But the plans didn't work out.

The last number dialed on his cell phone led police to the Barbours.

"The defendant stated that they committed the murder because they just wanted to murder someone together," police said, referring to E B.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/08/justice/craigslist-thrill-killing/

And then this one. Interesting to note the murderer had Asperger's syndrome, which according to the psychiatrist doesn't not typically meet the criteria of a thrill killer. So IMO the characteristics of a thrill killer vary greatly with a handful of commonalities. MOO.

The man who randomly stabbed a Melbourne couple to death wanted to know what it was like to kill someone and had fantasies about it, a court has heard.

Hemming has Asperger's syndrome, which was discussed as a possible cause for the attack, but his psychiatrist told the court people with Asperger's were more likely to be vulnerable victims in the community than perpetrators.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-...dered-melbourne-couple-in-thrill-kill/5809142

A Riverside County teenager was sentenced Friday to life in prison without the possibility of parole for luring a man using a fake Facebook profile and then killing him, prosecutors said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-teen-sentenced-facebook-murder-20131018-story.html

 

[Sillybilly]

Armchair profiling here, but if we are to assume that DM killed all three, I think we'll find an overlap in serial killer typology involved:

- with power/control being central motive to all three killings (people who stood in the way of what DM wanted from life), and

- with the hedonistic aspect (thrill not necessarily the "thrill kill", but the '$h!ts and giggles involved with closing down dad's dream, incinerating remains) being the maximizing pleasure derived from post-kill behaviour.

 

[SnooperDuper]

You may want to look into jury nullification. If the jury does not believe in the law as it is applied to a certain case, for example: they don't believe DM should be charged with murdering his father as it was ruled a suicide and there is only circumstantial evidence no firm evidence, they can acquit.

You know it really doesn't make sense to say "only circumstantial evidence no firm evidence" because e.g., DM's DNA and fingerprints on the gun trigger and gunpowder on DM's hand are circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence, but those tidbits tell a compelling story.

ETA: In the end, direct evidence means "eyewitness testimony" and we all know how fallible that is. I think the truth is, direct evidence is no longer given the credence it once was, and circumstantial evidence in the form of DNA and such has become the most desirable type of evidence for prosecutors. DM should be fearing the fact that there apparently is lots of circumstantial evidence.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Armchair profiling here, but if we are to assume that DM killed all three, I think we'll find an overlap in serial killer typology involved:

- with power/control being central motive to all three killings (people who stood in the way of what DM wanted from life), and

- with the hedonistic aspect (thrill not necessarily the "thrill kill", but the '$h!ts and giggles involved with closing down dad's dream, incinerating remains) being the maximizing pleasure derived from post-kill behaviour.

Don't forget MS's fun Ghozted video under the '$h!ts and giggles category. I pretty well have the same mental concept of the motive as you SB

 

[MsSherlock]

Don't forget MS's fun Ghozted video under the '$h!ts and giggles category. I pretty well have the same mental concept of the motive as you SB

Count me in too. Just an all around fun loving psychopath. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

You know it really doesn't make sense to say "only circumstantial evidence no firm evidence" because e.g., DM's DNA and fingerprints on the gun trigger and gunpowder on DM's hand are circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence, but those tidbits tell a compelling story.

ETA: In the end, direct evidence means "eyewitness testimony" and we all know how fallible that is. I think the truth is, direct evidence is no longer given the credence it once was, and circumstantial evidence in the form of DNA and such has become the most desirable type of evidence for prosecutors. DM should be fearing the fact that there apparently is lots of circumstantial evidence.

Is that a hunch of yours that his DNA and fingerprints are on a gun? If you have a link to that missing info I would like to see it. TIA
Man things tell a compelling story, it just depends which story you are going with. JMO

 

[swedie]

Is that a hunch of yours that his DNA and fingerprints are on a gun? If you have a link to that missing info I would like to see it. TIA
Man things tell a compelling story, it just depends which story you are going with. JMO

Well if they didn't find fingerprints on the gun, I bet LE found fingerprints and DNA in lots of other places. TB's cell phone, TB's truck, TB's truck keys, the business owner's truck they test drove the day before, the burner phone if LE have it as evidence. I'm sure someone can come up with many of excuses as to why DM and MS's DNA and prints might be found all over...but not the framer(s) prints and DNA. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

Well if they didn't find fingerprints on the gun, I bet LE found fingerprints and DNA in lots of other places. TB's cell phone, TB's truck, TB's truck keys, the business owner's truck they test drove the day before, the burner phone if LE have it as evidence. I'm sure someone can come up with many of excuses as to why DM and MS's DNA and prints might be found all over...but not the framer(s) prints and DNA. MOO.

Finding prints on the truck does not anyone a murderer maketh IMO. Who is the framer?

 

[swedie]

Finding prints on the truck does not anyone a murderer maketh IMO. Who is the framer?

Who is the framer?! IMO there was no framer but obviously to some posters there was/were framer(s). Isn't this what DM's defence have been suggesting all along? No framer then that only leaves the accused wouldn't you think? Oh I guess there could just happen to be that mystery person LE haven't clued in to or caught yet, the one DM fears and choices to sit at least three years in jail for. MOO.

 

[swedie]

This is a list I made in September 2013, and since then there has been other arrests with connections to this case. Thought I would bring it here and have added a few more possibilities. Feel free to add to this list. TIA.

Possible evidence
*tire tracks left by vehicles at the scene,
*boot/shoe prints found at the scene,
*DNA/prints/blood found in numerous places,
*eye witnesses,
*video surveillance, from BO's place of business or other businesses in that area, TB's house suggesting Yukon was seen following TB's truck, other videos from Brantford (motel, gas station ??),
*GPS on TB's truck or DM's Yukon,
*cell phone records, TB's cell phone with accused murderers DNA/prints,
*burner phone itself and/or records,
*farmland neighbours, witnesses and picture(s), suggesting there are more pictures than what we are privy to,
*incinerator,
*DM's Yukon,
*DM's trailer,
*murderers clothing worn the night of the murder,
*shoes/boots,
*mud or dirt from farmland inside TB's truck or DM's trailer along with impressions/prints inside left by shoes/boots,
*computers, xboxes/PS2(3), owned by the accused,
*phone records from MS's house,
*phone records from DM's phone,
*cell phone tower records,
*friend or acquaintances of DM, MS and CN who may have gave damning evidence/information,
*the accused themselves may have given information,
*the stolen HD with its trailer
*evidence found inside the hangar, showing criminal activity tying to the murder of TB,
*evidence found inside MS's mother's house, clothing, weapon,
*evidence found inside DM's house, or condo, clothing, weapon,
*evidence found inside CN's parents house,
*evidence found inside the barn, on farmland property,
*MWJ and pals,
*the murder of LB,
*the murder of WM,
*gun(s), or other weapons

MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

This is a list I made in September 2013, and since then there has been other arrests with connections to this case. Thought I would bring it here and have added a few more possibilities. Feel free to add to this list. TIA.

Possible evidence
*tire tracks left by vehicles at the scene,
*boot/shoe prints found at the scene,
*DNA/prints/blood found in numerous places,
*eye witnesses,
*video surveillance, from BO's place of business or other businesses in that area, TB's house suggesting Yukon was seen following TB's truck, other videos from Brantford (motel, gas station ??),
*GPS on TB's truck or DM's Yukon,
*cell phone records, TB's cell phone with accused murderers DNA/prints,
*burner phone itself and/or records,
*farmland neighbours, witnesses and picture(s), suggesting there are more pictures than what we are privy to,
*incinerator,
*DM's Yukon,
*DM's trailer,
*murderers clothing worn the night of the murder,
*shoes/boots,
*mud or dirt from farmland inside TB's truck or DM's trailer along with impressions/prints inside left by shoes/boots,
*computers, xboxes/PS2(3), owned by the accused,
*phone records from MS's house,
*phone records from DM's phone,
*cell phone tower records,
*friend or acquaintances of DM, MS and CN who may have gave damning evidence/information,
*the accused themselves may have given information,
*the stolen HD with its trailer
*evidence found inside the hangar, showing criminal activity tying to the murder of TB,
*evidence found inside MS's mother's house, clothing, weapon,
*evidence found inside DM's house, or condo, clothing, weapon,
*evidence found inside CN's parents house,
*evidence found inside the barn, on farmland property,
*MWJ and pals,
*the murder of LB,
*the murder of WM,
*gun(s), or other weapons

MOO.

Cigarette butts - at least MS was a smoker
Internet/data records from computers and cell phones

 

[matou]

Cigarette butts - at least MS was a smoker
Internet/data records from computers and cell phones

Yes! Internet search records e.g. how to cremate a body, etc.

 

[MsSherlock]

Who is the framer?! IMO there was no framer but obviously to some posters there was/were framer(s). Isn't this what DM's defence have been suggesting all along? No framer then that only leaves the accused wouldn't you think? Oh I guess there could just happen to be that mystery person LE haven't clued in to or caught yet, the one DM fears and choices to sit at least three years in jail for. MOO.

IMO, we'll see how the "framing" aspect of the defense works out for them. lol I think the "there's more to the story" element of this story is nothing more than your kid coming home from school and saying "wasn't me!!!!- it was all their fault!" And sometimes there's a parent racing off to school to wage a defense "couldn't have been my kid". Same old, same old, but that's why we have a Judge and Jury. There comes a time when a person has to take responsibility for their actions. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Who is the framer?! IMO there was no framer but obviously to some posters there was/were framer(s). Isn't this what DM's defence have been suggesting all along? No framer then that only leaves the accused wouldn't you think? Oh I guess there could just happen to be that mystery person LE haven't clued in to or caught yet, the one DM fears and choices to sit at least three years in jail for. MOO.

I think you're reading an awful lot into one sentence that was once made by DP, after a reporter asked him if he was suggesting a set up.

When asked if he was suggesting his client may have been set up, the lawyer would only say, “I can’t get into the framing aspect.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/15/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-in-hamilton-court

Of course, that question isn't included in the video of the interview, so there's no way of seeing the context or when it was asked. It obviously wasn't right after the "more than what it appears" statement, as that is in the video.

I've never heard of DP ever saying anything more about a framer. Could you please provide the link that shows he has been suggesting this at all, let alone "all along"?

TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

Could someone please explain to me what a list of "possible" evidence that LE "might" have found has to do with anything? Most of those items could apply to any crime, anywhere. How can a list of total unknowns be used to help anything, and especially not as any proof of guilt or innocence.

JMO

 

[swedie]

I think you're reading an awful lot into one sentence that was once made by DP, after a reporter asked him if he was suggesting a set up.



http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/15/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-in-hamilton-court

Of course, that question isn't included in the video of the interview, so there's no way of seeing the context or when it was asked. It obviously wasn't right after the "more than what it appears" statement, as that is in the video.

I've never heard of DP ever saying anything more about a framer. Could you please provide the link that shows he has been suggesting this at all, let alone "all along"?

TIA

Reread my post, second sentence to your response. No mention of DP. HTH.

 

[swedie]

Could someone please explain to me what a list of "possible" evidence that LE "might" have found has to do with anything? Most of those items could apply to any crime, anywhere. How can a list of total unknowns be used to help anything, and especially not as any proof of guilt or innocence.

JMO

Isn't this part of sleuthing? :thinking:
Any crime, anywhere? Seeking victims through Kijiji, incinerator, charred remains, farmland property, hangar, LB, WM, theft of vehicles, etc., etc., ect. Sounds like a pretty unique case to me. The list contains some knowns along with some unknowns, HTH. MOO.

 

[swedie]

IMO, we'll see how the "framing" aspect of the defense works out for them. lol I think the "there's more to the story" element of this story is nothing more than your kid coming home from school and saying "wasn't me!!!!- it was all their fault!" And sometimes there's a parent racing off to school to wage a defense "couldn't have been my kid". Same old, same old, but that's why we have a Judge and Jury. There comes a time when a person has to take responsibility for their actions. MOO

I agree MsSherlock. DP was just being a typical defence lawyer, talking the talk to try and raise reasonable doubt from the get go. Apparently the general public didn't and still hasn't taken the bait. I don't think the jurors will either. Obviously the AG didn't take the bait. DP hasn't done much talking lately, has he? :facepalm: It will be interesting to find out if DM retains DP. MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Could someone please explain to me what a list of "possible" evidence that LE "might" have found has to do with anything? Most of those items could apply to any crime, anywhere. How can a list of total unknowns be used to help anything, and especially not as any proof of guilt or innocence.

JMO

I think it's just a gentle reminder that "I swear I didn't do it" is not a valid defense

 

[Tamarind]

I think it's just a gentle reminder that "I swear I didn't do it" is not a valid defense

Or we may be in for a few more closed courtrooms and the arrival of some interesting 'evidence'. One never knows.