Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[redheart]

Time will tell. We just don't know what makes murderer tick. MOO.

Exactly. With 3 alleged murders under his belt, of course DM will be compared to other serial killers in the course of discussion, whether he was as prolific or not.

 

[redheart]

"He was taken to a location in Waterloo and his body was burned."

@0:41 http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/22/tim-bosma-case-hamilton-police-make-second-arrest

Is Ayr in Waterloo? I know the hangar is. So was he burned in the hangar?

The farm isn't exactly in Ayr. It's closer to Roseville. But it's in the Region of Waterloo, so I suspect that just got shortened to "Waterloo".

 

[MsSherlock]

Comparisons to Jeffrey Dahmer? Really?

OK, well maybe not exactly. Dalmer didn't have an incinerator or a hangar...or a farm or a big fat inheritance coming his way if certain people died. However, JD lived with is Grandma, DM lived with his Dad. We haven't seen the evidence yet, so I can't speculate on any potential similarities. MOO

 

[Carli]

OK, well maybe not exactly. Dalmer didn't have an incinerator or a hangar...or a farm or a big fat inheritance coming his way if certain people died. However, JD lived with is Grandma, DM lived with his Dad. We haven't seen the evidence yet, so I can't speculate on any potential similarities. MOO

Gosh, I'd have sworn that was the gist of #249. Anyway, quite so. Psycho murderers always live with their relatives don't they? Just like in that movie. What was its name again? Oh, yes. "Psycho". It might be a very useful safety guideline to keep in mind. When you meet someone new, find a way to ask if they live with or near a relative. If the answer is "yes" call 911 asap. That's what I do. MOO. IMHO. Better safe than eaten. MOO. MHO. etc.

 

[Juballee]

What would poor SB think if she was reading all these wild speculations, I wonder?

 

[MsSherlock]

Gosh, I'd have sworn that was the gist of #249. Anyway, quite so. Psycho murderers always live with their relatives don't they? Just like in that movie. What was its name again? Oh, yes. "Psycho". It might be a very useful safety guideline to keep in mind. When you meet someone new, find a way to ask if they live with or near a relative. If the answer is "yes" call 911 asap. That's what I do. MOO. IMHO. Better safe than eaten. MOO. MHO. etc.

I love your wit Carli- sometimes it seems a bit facetious and/or sarcastic , but I'm cool with that. No, I don't think psychopaths always live with relatives. My original comment involving JD was to address the fact that none of us should feel bad or necessarily rack our brains trying to figure out the "why". I was using JD because I find his case particularly fascinating. It's psycho on steroids. I'm all for playing cyber detective, but I confess- I don't personally don't have the talent to figure out why someone like JD would do what he did. And so the logical side of my brain clicks in- if I can't figure out why JD's victims met such a grizzly fate, there's always the possibility that I'll never figure out why TB ended up in the incinerator, LB deemed to be dead without a body and WM shot in the eye. MOO

 

[Carli]

I could not agree more. None of us with a sane mind can even comprehend their "logic". On a side note...Not only with regard to this case...life (or should I say the number of unbelievable and unfortunate deaths) ,There is a another very serious problem with all of these "grisly" crimes happening. you only have to look at the suicide stats for first responders for confirmation of this fact. These people are seeing far more grisly and "deranged" crimes than ever before. And that is a problem! JMO MOO

I'm sorry but this is a fully unsupported view of an essentially important issue in Canada. PTSD among first responders, including police, fire and ambulance and coast guard personnel is a deeply rooted and very serious problem. We have relatively few "grisly murders" in Canada. The mentally taxing traumas affecting many of these individuals are as the result of vehicular accidents and other accidents, including house fires and drownings. Chief among these overwhelming incidents is being present at the death of a child. Please do not marginalize or guess about or misinterpret the issues associated this terrible statistic. MOO. IMHO.

http://torontoobserver.ca/2014/11/2...onders-raise-alarm-prompt-awareness-campaign/

http://http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/police-fire-and-ambulance-personnel-face-high-ptsd-rates/

Here is one account of a suicide arising from what must have been an horrific crime scene. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ment-help-mental-health-experts-say-1.2788319

 

[MsSherlock]

What would poor SB think if she was reading all these wild speculations, I wonder?

Juballee, IMHO, SB visiting WS and seeing that people are still thinking of TB may not be a bad thing. As far as speculations- I personally don't see labeling DM as a psychopath any more traumatic to her than all the innuendo's and framing theories that this thread has been constantly peppered with. IMHO, I think it would be extremely traumatic if I were the wife of someone who was murdered, and perhaps privy to confidential info to see a bunch of people trying to slam everyone around me and working 24/7 to defend the man my husband left with and coincidentally the same man who owned the farm where my husband was found. MOO

 

[matou]

“I know that there have been skeptics out there who seem unable to believe that Tim was not somehow involved in something,” his wife Sharlene Bosma said.

“This sort of thing doesn’t happen in Canada and it doesn’t happen to people like us.”

Her husband, the father who took their two-year-old daughter to her swimming lessons and changed her first diapers with trembling hands, was a normal guy, she said.

“(He was) a regular average guy who loved his family and his friends, who worked hard,” Sharlene Bosma said. “It is difficult to accept that this regular average guy did a regular average thing, which so many do on a daily basis, and it tragically cost him his life.”

It is difficult to accept, she said, because then it means it could have happened to anyone.

“But for me, it didn’t happen to just anyone,” she said, fighting back tears. “It happened to my husband and the father of our child. Tim is my someone. He is my person, my other half.”

Yes, Sharlene. There are still skeptics out there. It's pretty embarrassing. I'm very sorry. JMO

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...reds-gather-to-mourn-murder-victim-tim-bosma/

 

[Carli]

I have three questions.

Question One: Would anyone's opinion of DM and/or MS change if LB were to appear at her parent's place?

 

[Carli]

Question Two: Would anyone's opinion of DM change if the Coroner presents compelling evidence at trial that WM died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound?

 

[swedie]

Juballee, IMHO, SB visiting WS and seeing that people are still thinking of TB may not be a bad thing. As far as speculations- I personally don't see labeling DM as a psychopath any more traumatic to her than all the innuendo's and framing theories that this thread has been constantly peppered with. IMHO, I think it would be extremely traumatic if I were the wife of someone who was murdered, and perhaps privy to confidential info to see a bunch of people trying to slam everyone around me and working 24/7 to defend the man my husband left with and coincidentally the same man who owned the farm where my husband was found. MOO

:clap::takeabow::tyou::goodpost:

 

[swedie]

“I know that there have been skeptics out there who seem unable to believe that Tim was not somehow involved in something,” his wife Sharlene Bosma said.

“This sort of thing doesn’t happen in Canada and it doesn’t happen to people like us.”

Her husband, the father who took their two-year-old daughter to her swimming lessons and changed her first diapers with trembling hands, was a normal guy, she said.

“(He was) a regular average guy who loved his family and his friends, who worked hard,” Sharlene Bosma said. “It is difficult to accept that this regular average guy did a regular average thing, which so many do on a daily basis, and it tragically cost him his life.”

It is difficult to accept, she said, because then it means it could have happened to anyone.

“But for me, it didn’t happen to just anyone,” she said, fighting back tears. “It happened to my husband and the father of our child. Tim is my someone. He is my person, my other half.”

Yes, Sharlene. There are still skeptics out there. It's pretty embarrassing. I'm very sorry. JMO

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...reds-gather-to-mourn-murder-victim-tim-bosma/

:clap::takeabow::tyou::goodpost:

 

[Carli]

Juballee, IMHO, SB visiting WS and seeing that people are still thinking of TB may not be a bad thing. As far as speculations- I personally don't see labeling DM as a psychopath any more traumatic to her than all the innuendo's and framing theories that this thread has been constantly peppered with. IMHO, I think it would be extremely traumatic if I were the wife of someone who was murdered, and perhaps privy to confidential info to see a bunch of people trying to slam everyone around me and working 24/7 to defend the man my husband left with and coincidentally the same man who owned the farm where my husband was found. MOO

Having visited this thread sporadically but regularly I can only say that I have not yet seen anybody "working 24/7 to defend" TB or MS. There have, however, been many, many posts, including some from me, that try to keep an open mind on the subject, allowing for the possibility that the accused may or may not be guilty as charged. I feel confident that the families of the people who lives have been so tragically lost also want justice to prevail with the correctly identified guilty persons receiving punishment. At least I hope that is so. To suggest that efforts at sleuthing in any way implies that a victim deserved his or her fate is, IMO, absurd. MOO. IMHO.

 

[swedie]

Carli, as to your questions:

1. It isn't going to happen.

2. It isn't going to happen.

3. Where's your third question?

DM and MS are still charged with TB's murder.

LE don't tell people their loved ones are dead and then turn around and say "oops". LE charged DM with the murder of his father and LB because there is evidence to support it. The AG believes there is sufficient evidence to seal a conviction for TB's murder.

Wishful thinking though. All MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

That has been a head scratcher from day one matou

-- It was reported they "walked into" TBs yard , so the Yukon would have to be parked on the road ... which means one of them rode in TBs truck for only a few feet , then hopped in the Yukon .... it doesn't make sense , why not just walk to the Yukon if it is that close

-- Or the Yukon was parked or hidden a distance down the road , I have checked and there are several old driveways into fields and old farm sites which would be good hiding spots for the Yukon .... but that would mean a "long" walk back to TBs yard

--Either of the above would mean they killed TB almost the moment they left the house , or the person driving the truck did the killing single handedly while enroute ... which would mean a handgun , which would require extraordinary fortitude.

-- Or the Yukon driver met up with the truck somewhere down the highway , say the industrial park , and then the killing happened , this may be the most likely scenario , but it does make the "short test drive" into a long one.

This Murder Mystery has an abundance of Mysteries

Or as I have suggested, maybe someone met the truck along the way. How can it be ruled out that someone else intercepted that truck en route? I do not see how it can. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

Exactly. With 3 alleged murders under his belt, of course DM will be compared to other serial killers in the course of discussion, whether he was as prolific or not.

Or whether he is a murderer or not.!

 

[MsSherlock]

Or as I have suggested, maybe someone met the truck along the way. How can it be ruled out that someone else intercepted that truck en route? I do not see how it can. MOO

And they just happened to drive to DM's farm, where DM happened to have an incinerator? MOO

 

[Tamarind]

I'm sorry but this is a fully unsupported view of an essentially important issue in Canada. PTSD among first responders, including police, fire and ambulance and coast guard personnel is a deeply rooted and very serious problem. We have relatively few "grisly murders" in Canada. The mentally taxing traumas affecting many of these individuals are as the result of vehicular accidents and other accidents, including house fires and drownings. Chief among these overwhelming incidents is being present at the death of a child. Please do not marginalize or guess about or misinterpret the issues associated this terrible statistic. MOO. IMHO.

http://torontoobserver.ca/2014/11/2...onders-raise-alarm-prompt-awareness-campaign/

http://http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/police-fire-and-ambulance-personnel-face-high-ptsd-rates/

Here is one account of a suicide arising from what must have been an horrific crime scene. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ment-help-mental-health-experts-say-1.2788319

Not to mention the people who come back from wars. Just recently a young guy blew his own head off in front of his friend at a barracks in Ontario. The secrecy behind it is quite sinister in my opinion. It did not get into the press and apparently neither have the dozens of suicides by those in the army. More die from suicide than get killed over there, and many more have PTSD. ( Probably has something to do with being forced to kill innocent people )No press releases though.

 

[Arnie M]

What would poor SB think if she was reading all these wild speculations, I wonder?

I wonder what she thinks when she reads about people who feel those sweet boys are being railroaded