Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[Tamarind]

Juballee, IMHO, SB visiting WS and seeing that people are still thinking of TB may not be a bad thing. As far as speculations- I personally don't see labeling DM as a psychopath any more traumatic to her than all the innuendo's and framing theories that this thread has been constantly peppered with. IMHO, I think it would be extremely traumatic if I were the wife of someone who was murdered, and perhaps privy to confidential info to see a bunch of people trying to slam everyone around me and working 24/7 to defend the man my husband left with and coincidentally the same man who owned the farm where my husband was found. MOO

I think if I were the widow I would want EVERY possible scenario looked into. I wouldn't be brushing off any possibility. I certainly would want the right individual being tried for the crime and if things were not adding up in even the slightest way I would welcome ALL suggestions, theories, possibilities and help to find the actual murderer.

 

[Arnie M]

Or as I have suggested, maybe someone met the truck along the way. How can it be ruled out that someone else intercepted that truck en route? I do not see how it can. MOO

As in a third suspect ???
Have police been asking for help finding other suspects ??
I have not heard

 

[Tamarind]

And they just happened to drive to DM's farm, where DM happened to have an incinerator? MOO

Well if someone knew DM, they may well know where that farm is. Without knowing who may be involved we won't know what is feasible JMO

 

[swedie]

Having visited this thread sporadically but regularly I can only say that I have not yet seen anybody "working 24/7 to defend" TB or MS. There have, however, been many, many posts, including some from me, that try to keep an open mind on the subject, allowing for the possibility that the accused may or may not be guilty as charged. I feel confident that the families of the people who lives have been so tragically lost also want justice to prevail with the correctly identified guilty persons receiving punishment. At least I hope that is so. To suggest that efforts at sleuthing in any way implies that a victim deserved his or her fate is, IMO, absurd. MOO. IMHO.

If I may speak for many others, if not all of us, we have all kept an open mind. To assume some are closed minded, is an error on your part. What has failed time and time again is for someone giving defence to the accused, is to bring forth any logic explanation, connecting all the dots. To declare the framing aspect is so far fetched it's almost laughable IMHO. How does one find themselves accused of three murder, all three DM had a connection too? How does that happen over a period of less than a year to someone and he has/had no idea who would want to frame him. He chooses to sit in a hell hole and take the fall for someone else's evilness? Not to forget one of his good buddies also being connected to two of those murders. Ironic? Coincidence? TWT = Time will tell.

BTW we are not a court of law here on WS and have right to judge the accused as we see it according to the information we have. From what I know about this case, it's not looking good for the two accused, or should I say three accused. If one chooses to take on the belief one should not judge until the accused has had their day in court, that's their choice. It needs not be crammed down others throats that we have lynch mob mentality or that we are witch hunting. I do not personally know one person connected to these cases, but what I do know is, what happened to TB, LB and WM is against the law, it was cruel, disturbing and disgusting. Many victims have suffered great loss and will for the rest of their lives. Those responsible must and will face justice. I have faith. All MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

As in a third suspect ???
Have police been asking for help finding other suspects ??
I have not heard

They don't have any statements from the accused do they?

Without any statements it is not obvious who else may have been a potential murderer. I doubt they will ask for help finding someone they are not aware of. I am always surprised when people think the police are psychic superheros. They can only go on what they have, right?

 

[swedie]

I think if I were the widow I would want EVERY possible scenario looked into. I wouldn't be brushing off any possibility. I certainly would want the right individual being tried for the crime and if things were not adding up in even the slightest way I would welcome ALL suggestions, theories, possibilities and help to find the actual murderer.

Maybe that's what SB has done and that's why DM and MS still sit in a hell hole. MOO.

 

[MsSherlock]

I think if I were the widow I would want EVERY possible scenario looked into. I wouldn't be brushing off any possibility. I certainly would want the right individual being tried for the crime and if things were not adding up in even the slightest way I would welcome ALL suggestions, theories, possibilities and help to find the actual murderer.

IMHO, there are things TB's widow knows that we won't know until the trial. I haven't seen one single bail hearing for any of the accused. I haven't seen one ounce of MSM coverage indicating that there are other suspects. IMHO, with DM's money, if the evidence was not strong, or if in fact LE didn't have the right guy, we would have seen a pretty big fuss over the AG's ruling and DM would be sitting at Maple Gate awaiting his trial. We're talking several police forces here. We're talking eye witness reports seeing the truck in Brantford. CCTV footage, forensics, DM's burner phone- the list goes on. IMHO, SB knows the faces she saw that fateful night and she knows they're the ones behind bars today. IMO, suggesting that SB needs to be exposed to far reaching theories in an effort to satisfy herself that LE have the right people charged seems a tad bit cruel and I don't know who benefits from it all. MOO

 

[swedie]

I thought Smich was arrested at the same time that police stated that Millard's Yukon was identified as the vehicle that followed Tim's truck. I believe both announcements happened at the same time or around the same time. I assumed this meant the Smich's fingerprints were in the Yukon. After DM's arrest, the Yukon was seized and likely searched thoroughly for evidence. Since Smich has priors and fingerprint records, this is likely how he was finally identified as the second suspect. JMO

For all we know, CN could have been the third suspect LE suspected in the early days. She may have been the person waiting in the Yukon and had no idea what was going to happen that night. Did MS take the driver's seat upon leaving TB's house? Did MS drop CN off some place and then headed out to meet up with DM and TB somewhere? Did they follow TB and DM to Brantford, where MS got out of the Yukon and they sent CN on her way? Did they suggest taking the truck to the hangar claiming they wanted to inspect it in better lighting? Maybe TB's murder happened at the hangar? CN obviously did something May 9th, to earn her her charges of helping DM to escape. Hopefully she is chirping like a bird to LE. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

If I may speak for many others, if not all of us, we have all kept an open mind. To assume some are closed minded, is an error on your part. What has failed time and time again is for someone giving defence to the accused, is to bring forth any logic explanation, connecting all the dots. To declare the framing aspect is so far fetched it's almost laughable IMHO. How does one find themselves accused of three murder, all three DM had a connection too? How does that happen over a period of less than a year to someone and he has/had no idea who would want to frame him. He chooses to sit in a hell hole and take the fall for someone else's evilness? Not to forget one of his good buddies also being connected to two of those murders. Ironic? Coincidence? TWT = Time will tell.

BTW we are not a court of law here on WS and have right to judge the accused as we see it according to the information we have. From what I know about this case, it's not looking good for the two accused, or should I say three accused. If one chooses to take on the belief one should not judge until the accused has had their day in court, that's their choice. It needs not be crammed down others throats that we have lynch mob mentality or that we are witch hunting. I do not personally know one person connected to these cases, but what I do know is, what happened to TB, LB and WM is against the law, it was cruel, disturbing and disgusting. Many victims have suffered great loss and will for the rest of their lives. Those responsible must and will face justice. I have faith. All MOO.

I don't find anything laughable about this case at all. The fact that someone laughs at a framing aspect or that someone else may be involved is hardly being open minded.

As far as joining dots. If you have ever done dot to dot books with a child it becomes clear that sometimes dots can be joined up in a way that gives a rather strange looking picture. That s the picture I see. And before someone says that its not a child joining the dots of this case, it really doesn't matter. If only some of the dots are available then the same thing happens to the overall picture, it is missing some key dots and the picture is lacking some components.

His father more than likely did commit suicide as the police believed when they investigated it in the beginning. As has been posted here, there are a few possibilities when it comes to motive for killing WM but naturally we can't post about those who may have found him , his business or his hangar in the way of their own progress. No doubt that is laughable too, but I am ok with that, never was one to be intimidated.

 

[swedie]

Well if someone knew DM, they may well know where that farm is. Without knowing who may be involved we won't know what is feasible JMO

You don't suspect DM being as intelligent (DP's claim) as he is, would have by now figured out who could be set him up? Who would have order the incinerator on MA's account, who may have used his Yukon the night of May 6, 2013, who has fallen under the radar almost two years later, not leaving any evidence of themselves, but all evidence pointing to DM, MS and CN? Who would have murdered his father and LB also? Or is he too afraid of those who framed him and would rather sit in jail facing the status of a serial killer? MOO.

One foot nailed to the floor, running in circles

 

[swedie]

I don't find anything laughable about this case at all. The fact that someone laughs at a framing aspect or that someone else may be involved is hardly being open minded.

As far as joining dots. If you have ever done dot to dot books with a child it becomes clear that sometimes dots can be joined up in a way that gives a rather strange looking picture. That s the picture I see. And before someone says that its not a child joining the dots of this case, it really doesn't matter. If only some of the dots are available then the same thing happens to the overall picture, it is missing some key dots and the picture is lacking some components.

His father more than likely did commit suicide as the police believed when they investigated it in the beginning. As has been posted here, there are a few possibilities when it comes to motive for killing WM but naturally we can't post about those who may have found him , his business or his hangar in the way of their own progress. No doubt that is laughable too, but I am ok with that, never was one to be intimidated.

BBM - Then one wasn't doing the dot to dot book properly and should go back and redo it the proper way to get the correct picture. MOO.

 

[Arnie M]

I don't find anything laughable about this case at all. The fact that someone laughs at a framing aspect or that someone else may be involved is hardly being open minded.

As far as joining dots. If you have ever done dot to dot books with a child it becomes clear that sometimes dots can be joined up in a way that gives a rather strange looking picture. That s the picture I see. And before someone says that its not a child joining the dots of this case, it really doesn't matter. If only some of the dots are available then the same thing happens to the overall picture, it is missing some key dots and the picture is lacking some components.

His father more than likely did commit suicide as the police believed when they investigated it in the beginning. As has been posted here, there are a few possibilities when it comes to motive for killing WM but naturally we can't post about those who may have found him , his business or his hangar in the way of their own progress. No doubt that is laughable too, but I am ok with that, never was one to be intimidated.

Join the dots for a framing scenario. Paint the picture for us. It would be a fascinating document

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMHO, there are things TB's widow knows that we won't know until the trial. I haven't seen one single bail hearing for any of the accused. I haven't seen one ounce of MSM coverage indicating that there are other suspects. IMHO, with DM's money, if the evidence was not strong, or if in fact LE didn't have the right guy, we would have seen a pretty big fuss over the AG's ruling and DM would be sitting at Maple Gate awaiting his trial. We're talking several police forces here. We're talking eye witness reports seeing the truck in Brantford. CCTV footage, forensics, DM's burner phone- the list goes on. IMHO, SB knows the faces she saw that fateful night and she knows they're the ones behind bars today. IMO, suggesting that SB needs to be exposed to far reaching theories in an effort to satisfy herself that LE have the right people charged seems a tad bit cruel and I don't know who benefits from it all. MOO

No MSM coverage about other suspects except at the beginning anyway, before LE stopped giving out information.

What type of fuss were you expecting over the AG's ruling? There's nothing the defense can do about it, no appealing it except in very rare and specific circumstances, for example when the AG overturns a Judge's decision to dismiss.

Direct indictment decisions are made unilaterally by the prosecutors, and the defence has no ability to argue against it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-murder-suspects-dellen-millard-mark-smich-going-right-to-trial-1.2708367

Direct indictments are permitted by the Criminal Code but are more of a bureaucratic or political decision than a legal one.
They are approved by the attorney general or deputy attorney general rather than by a judge in a courtroom. While both the Crown and defence can make submissions to the attorney general, there is no opportunity to appeal the decision.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/20/tim_bosma_murder_crown_applies_to_take_case_right_to_trial.html

“The accused is not provided with the submissions made by the Crown to the Attorney General for the direct indictment. The accused is also not provided with the reasons cited by the Attorney General for issuing the direct indictment. There is also no means by which the accused is able to appeal the decision.”

http://www.hamiltonnews.com/news/alleged-killers-of-ancasters-tim-bosma-head-straight-to-trial/

 

[Tamarind]

BBM - Then one wasn't doing the dot to dot book properly and should go back and redo it the proper way to get the correct picture. MOO.

Respectfully I think point missed by a mile :facepalm:

 

[Tamarind]

Join the dots for a framing scenario. Paint the picture for us. It would be a fascinating document

There are a few scenarios that could be possibilities IMO. They would not be allowed on this site as obviously it would involve sleuthing people outside of the current scope of investigation.

 

[ABro]

There are a few scenarios that could be possibilities IMO. They would not be allowed on this site as obviously it would involve sleuthing people outside of the current scope of investigation.

The Internet is not just Websleuths. There's a whole big wide world out there.

You're free to post your theories on Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, your own website and more.

You also might want to contact Amnesty International about all the injustice you've uncovered. Or the media.

Why stay on Websleuths and have your freedom of speech limited?

 

[hopingforjustice]

I'm sorry but this is a fully unsupported view of an essentially important issue in Canada. PTSD among first responders, including police, fire and ambulance and coast guard personnel is a deeply rooted and very serious problem. We have relatively few "grisly murders" in Canada. The mentally taxing traumas affecting many of these individuals are as the result of vehicular accidents and other accidents, including house fires and drownings. Chief among these overwhelming incidents is being present at the death of a child. Please do not marginalize or guess about or misinterpret the issues associated this terrible statistic. MOO. IMHO.

http://torontoobserver.ca/2014/11/2...onders-raise-alarm-prompt-awareness-campaign/

http://http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/police-fire-and-ambulance-personnel-face-high-ptsd-rates/

Here is one account of a suicide arising from what must have been an horrific crime scene. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ment-help-mental-health-experts-say-1.2788319

Unsupported? Seriously? I have a personal interest in my comment and you do you not have to tell me how important this issue is to me. . I work with an organization that councils just such cases. ..MY DAUGHTER IS A FIRST RESPONDER and I stand behind what I said 100%. I DID NOT MARGINALIZE OR GUESS OR MISINTERPRET THE ISSUES AND DO NOT TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW!

My apologies for the anger...but you don't know! JMO MOO

 

[swedie]

No MSM coverage about other suspects except at the beginning anyway, before LE stopped giving out information.

What type of fuss were you expecting over the AG's ruling? There's nothing the defense can do about it, no appealing it except in very rare and specific circumstances, for example when the AG overturns a Judge's decision to dismiss.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-murder-suspects-dellen-millard-mark-smich-going-right-to-trial-1.2708367



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/20/tim_bosma_murder_crown_applies_to_take_case_right_to_trial.html



http://www.hamiltonnews.com/news/alleged-killers-of-ancasters-tim-bosma-head-straight-to-trial/

BBM - Would you assume LE would make it public knowledge if there was another arrest made in this case? PB was in effect when CN was arrested almost a year after DM and MS's arrest. They still notified the public and even gave her name. MOO.

Wonder if RP stated this (bold in article) as his response? It's broken up by the picture of SB and TM and no quotation marks and to be grammatically correct, it would be all one paragraph. So did he figuring the AG had based her decision on evidence? Hmm. MOO.

Ravin Pillay, one of Millard’s lawyers, says that the Crown is proceeding by direct indictment in the case, a rare move that means there will be no preliminary inquiry. Preliminary hearings are held to test evidence and determine whether there is enough to commit the case to trial.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-degree-murder-charges-in-death-of-tim-bosma/

 

[swedie]

There are a few scenarios that could be possibilities IMO. They would not be allowed on this site as obviously it would involve sleuthing people outside of the current scope of investigation.

I'm all ears, or eyes. There is no need to name names. We don't need to go there. Hope you have contacted LE with your scenarios or speculations.

Seriously, you should leave it up to LE to sleuth out people outside the current scope of investigation. But then again, how do you know what they have and have not investigated? I for one would want to see anyone persecuted for murders they didn't commit. MOO.

Anyone with tips is asked to call Hamilton police’s information hotline, 905-546-2100, or Crime Stoppers.

 

[Tamarind]

Maybe that's what SB has done and that's why DM and MS still sit in a hell hole. MOO.

They cant just walk out of jail !

Anyone who understood how the system works would know that the situation is at the mercy of itself. Those accused have to wait it out... no other way. I think this has been explained over and over so it shouldn't be difficult to figure out why.