Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[hopingforjustice]

Staying with the thread topic, I have to say that in regard to DM and his solitary confinement, I do think it puts a lot of pressure on an accused to be placed in such a restricted place. If he can stay focused on things that contain his thoughts he may be able to see it through, without going completely nuts. I remember he did say to a reporter ( Molly Hayes?) that he did a lot of reading and read books on Law. Books do have a way of passing time and also if books are read to educate oneself it could have a benefit in that regard.

I also think his visits from his mother would be very precious to him and no doubt she helps keep him focused on proving his innocence. I would imagine she visits at least twice a week depending on the visiting schedule at the jail.

Thats not to say that two years is a very long time to be confined and as far as we can tell DM also seems to have limited access to showers and hair products ( although not fully proven).

But to stress a point that I do not think the situation surrounding his or anyone else s solitary confinement is in the best interest of anyone. IMO

Has it ever been confirmed that his solitary confinement was forced upon him? Is it possible that he has requested himself?? MS is not in solitary is he?
I find it hard to believe that after this long, and conditions as deplorable as you describe that his lawyer would not be rallying to get him back into General Population.

 

[Tamarind]

Has it ever been confirmed that his solitary confinement was forced upon him? Is it possible that he has requested himself?? MS is not in solitary is he?
I find it hard to believe that after this long, and conditions as deplorable as you describe that his lawyer would not be rallying to get him back into General Population.

We have never been made aware of the reasons for it. Even if he requested it, he must have had reason (s) to do so. Solitary is torture to a mind. The general population of a jail carries its own risks from violence to death and everything else in between. People are not protected in jail, remember Ashley Smith? The choice is be tortured by others or be tortured by solitary. Basically IMO the system needs a major overhaul.

DM's lawyer can't do much, the jail has two choices, general population or solitary.

 

[MsSherlock]

Staying with the thread topic, I have to say that in regard to DM and his solitary confinement, I do think it puts a lot of pressure on an accused to be placed in such a restricted place. If he can stay focused on things that contain his thoughts he may be able to see it through, without going completely nuts. I remember he did say to a reporter ( Molly Hayes?) that he did a lot of reading and read books on Law. Books do have a way of passing time and also if books are read to educate oneself it could have a benefit in that regard.

I also think his visits from his mother would be very precious to him and no doubt she helps keep him focused on proving his innocence. I would imagine she visits at least twice a week depending on the visiting schedule at the jail.

Thats not to say that two years is a very long time to be confined and as far as we can tell DM also seems to have limited access to showers and hair products ( although not fully proven).

But to stress a point that I do not think the situation surrounding his or anyone else s solitary confinement is in the best interest of anyone. IMO

IMO, DM's mother may have her own emotional issues to contend with and her twice a week visits are mere speculation. As we all know she's sold her home so as much as we know, she could be in another Country trying to escape reality. I haven't seen any MSM articles that make reference to her and I don't think she attends any of DM's court appearances. MOO
I've never been in jail nor have I ever visited anyone in jail, but I do know someone who works at Barton St. She's actually sees DM going up and down the halls and claims that he's treated very well and has freedoms. According to her, the guards like him, so at this point I'm not overwhelmed with sympathy. IMHO, DM is being treated a lot more fairly than the 3 innocent people he's accused of murdering and his Mother still has her son...and that's a lot more than LB and TB families have. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Staying with the thread topic, I have to say that in regard to DM and his solitary confinement, I do think it puts a lot of pressure on an accused to be placed in such a restricted place. If he can stay focused on things that contain his thoughts he may be able to see it through, without going completely nuts. I remember he did say to a reporter ( Molly Hayes?) that he did a lot of reading and read books on Law. Books do have a way of passing time and also if books are read to educate oneself it could have a benefit in that regard.

I also think his visits from his mother would be very precious to him and no doubt she helps keep him focused on proving his innocence. I would imagine she visits at least twice a week depending on the visiting schedule at the jail.

Thats not to say that two years is a very long time to be confined and as far as we can tell DM also seems to have limited access to showers and hair products ( although not fully proven).

But to stress a point that I do not think the situation surrounding his or anyone else s solitary confinement is in the best interest of anyone. IMO

IMO, DM's mother may have her own emotional issues to contend with and her twice a week visits are mere speculation. As we all know she's sold her home - she could be in another Country trying to escape reality. I haven't seen any MSM articles that make reference to her and I don't think she attends any of DM's court appearances. MOO
I've never been in jail nor have I ever visited anyone in jail, but I do know someone who works at Barton St. She's actually sees DM going up and down the halls and claims that he's treated very well and has freedoms. According to her, the guards like him, so at this point I'm not overwhelmed with sympathy. IMHO, DM is being treated a lot more fairly than the 3 innocent people he's accused of murdering and his Mother still has her son...and that's a lot more than LB and TB families have. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

IMO, DM's mother may have her own emotional issues to contend with and her twice a week visits are mere speculation. As we all know she's sold her home so as much as we know, she could be in another Country trying to escape reality. I haven't seen any MSM articles that make reference to her and I don't think she attends any of DM's court appearances. MOO
I've never been in jail nor have I ever visited anyone in jail, but I do know someone who works at Barton St. She's actually sees DM going up and down the halls and claims that he's treated very well and has freedoms. According to her, the guards like him, so at this point I'm not overwhelmed with sympathy. IMHO, DM is being treated a lot more fairly than the 3 innocent people he's accused of murdering and his Mother still has her son...and that's a lot more than LB and TB families have. MOO

Yes MB visits may be mere speculation, I didnt claim otherwise, I did say "I would imagine". She could be in another country, but in my opinion she probably isn't JMO. I doubt she would attend court dates that are just to give yet another date. I have a feeling she may well attend at any trial.

It is only speculation that DM is treated very well, your friend working at the jail may feel that all inmates are treated better than they should be, its about perception I guess. No conviction has been made in the 3 alleged murders that you mention. I never appreciate when someone minimizes anothers situation and in my opinion MB is also a victim here regardless of what anyone else may think. JMO MOO

 

[Juballee]

IMO, DM's mother may have her own emotional issues to contend with and her twice a week visits are mere speculation. As we all know she's sold her home - she could be in another Country trying to escape reality. I haven't seen any MSM articles that make reference to her and I don't think she attends any of DM's court appearances. MOO
I've never been in jail nor have I ever visited anyone in jail, but I do know someone who works at Barton St. She's actually sees DM going up and down the halls and claims that he's treated very well and has freedoms. According to her, the guards like him, so at this point I'm not overwhelmed with sympathy. IMHO, DM is being treated a lot more fairly than the 3 innocent people he's accused of murdering and his Mother still has her son...and that's a lot more than LB and TB families have. MOO

Personally, I think that MB is another innocent victim in this, so speculating that she may have emotional issues is distasteful to me. I have only ever read MSM reports stating that she visits regularly, and I know that mothers in general tend to love and want to help and protect their children, so I have no reason to dispute that claim. As to attending court appearances, I would see no reason to attend video appearances when personal visits can be made more frequently. I also think that if DM's mom is chased for photos and hounded by the media the way that CN's mom is, she would be best to avoid that unnecessary stress.

I also wonder what specifically your friend would consider being treated well and having freedoms at Barton St, would that mean he gets better food than others, or that he has the freedom to walk the halls or go outside when he pleases? Or that he is not beaten regularly and has the freedom to shower unshackled? I really have no idea what constitutes being treated well there, and would be genuinely curious to hear it explained.

I find it interesting that the guards like him, are they normally the kind of people who would be easily duped by psychopaths and control freaks, as some have insisted DM must be? Wouldn't they be in a good position to tell very quickly if he really was a 'spoilt brat'?

Is there any mention of whether or not he's requested that they all call him Boss?

 

[Carli]

For the record, apparently it's a mistake to confuse much more closely monitored and controlled conditions at federal prisons with the reportedly far rougher and looser conditions at remand centres. The former houses criminals who have been found guilty by the courts and are serving sentences. The latter run the gamut of offences from traffic violations to "fail to appear" to murder. There are far more arrestees biding their time in local jails/remand centres in Canada than there are in federal facilities - note that it is the latter venue that receives the lion's share of attention when it comes to criticism and occasional public concern, while the remand centres generally slip under the net. According to StatsCan, the average length of time an arrestee spends in remand is about one to three months - not years as in DM and MS's cases. They are definitely senior citizens in their respective jails by now. The implication IMO is that prosecutors need not take longer than a few weeks to come up with evidence sufficient to take a case to trial although evidence fishing expeditions for a couple of years may not be unusual in murder cases. I don't know for sure.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11440-eng.htm

It's of passing interest to learn that the Barton Street Jail guards like DM. Barton Street Jail, as we know, has well earned a reputation as being one of the most violent remand centres in the province and in the nation. Depending on the cause/source of the violence it may, or may not be a good idea to have the guards on side, IMO. IMHO.

http://www.900chml.com/2014/04/08/14445/

I happen to have a distant relative several times removed who is a proud "Correctional Officer" assigned to a remand centre. He wears a special uniform and everything. He has a grade 8 education and achieving that grade 8 certificate was a challenge. He is very brave. He's a naturally big, bulky, strong guy. He is proud of his job which he has held for nearly 3 decades. I think that several years ago he did take a basic first aid course but I know for sure that he doesn't know what a defibrillator is because I asked him how to change the battery in our machine and he had no idea what this essential life-saving equipment is used for or its simple operating procedure. He does not consider first aid (or last aid) as part of his responsibility. After all these years he now earns about $26.00 an hour. He has 7 children and 18 grandchildren. He knows, with unwavering certainty, that everyone in a jail cell is guilty of something. Otherwise they wouldn't be there. God has chosen to punish each one for some very good reason.

So, there's the bar that must be met. If any posters would like to join the ranks it turns out there are 80 positions currently up for grabs in Ontario. Successful candidates may get to befriend DM, too, or other so-called "high profile" inmates. (Yes, I said 80.)

https://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/Preview.aspx?JobID=76313

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMO, DM's mother may have her own emotional issues to contend with and her twice a week visits are mere speculation. As we all know she's sold her home so as much as we know, she could be in another Country trying to escape reality. I haven't seen any MSM articles that make reference to her and I don't think she attends any of DM's court appearances. MOO
I've never been in jail nor have I ever visited anyone in jail, but I do know someone who works at Barton St. She's actually sees DM going up and down the halls and claims that he's treated very well and has freedoms. According to her, the guards like him, so at this point I'm not overwhelmed with sympathy. IMHO, DM is being treated a lot more fairly than the 3 innocent people he's accused of murdering and his Mother still has her son...and that's a lot more than LB and TB families have. MOO

I'm curious when your friend sees DM going up and down the halls. My understanding was that in protective custody you are only allowed out of your cell for one hour a day.

"He has to mentally prepare for the long road ahead," said Paradkar, adding that his client is in protective segregation in his cell for 23.5 hours per day.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/millard-lawyer-warns-against-rush-to-judgment-in-bosma-killing-1.1331399

A year later he was still there.

When he recovered, he was moved to another segregation unit, where he says his next-door neighbour was accused murderer Dellen Millard.

"I heard them call his name out and I recognized it obviously from the media," he says.

They talked to each other through their vents.

"We call it the phone, like, 'Go to your phone,'" he says.

Inmates live either in ranges (blocks of cells) or dormitories (an open space with bunk beds and a common area where low-risk inmates have more freedom), or in segregation, where high-risk inmates are locked up for up to 23 hours a day.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4413905-barton-jail-on-the-other-side-of-the-fence/

Is your friend saying he is no longer in protective custody?

 

[Sillybilly]

According to StatsCan, the average length of time an arrestee spends in remand is about one to three months - not years as in DM and MS's cases. They are definitely senior citizens in their respective jails by now.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11440-eng.htm

<rsbm>

That's because if you look at "Data Table for Chart 6", of the 28 offence classifications for those in remand, "homicide" and "other sexual offences" comprise the least number of accused. It's pretty standard that those awaiting trial for murder are in remand a lot longer than those accused of the less serious offences, down to and including failure to comply with conditions.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11440-eng.htm

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11440/c-g/desc/desc06-eng.htm

 

[Tamarind]

For the record, apparently it's a mistake to confuse much more closely monitored and controlled conditions at federal prisons with the reportedly far rougher and looser conditions at remand centres. The former houses criminals who have been found guilty by the courts and are serving sentences. The latter run the gamut of offences from traffic violations to "fail to appear" to murder. There are far more arrestees biding their time in local jails/remand centres in Canada than there are in federal facilities - note that it is the latter venue that receives the lion's share of attention when it comes to criticism and occasional public concern, while the remand centres generally slip under the net. According to StatsCan, the average length of time an arrestee spends in remand is about one to three months - not years as in DM and MS's cases. They are definitely senior citizens in their respective jails by now. The implication IMO is that prosecutors need not take longer than a few weeks to come up with evidence sufficient to take a case to trial although evidence fishing expeditions for a couple of years may not be unusual in murder cases. I don't know for sure.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11440-eng.htm

It's of passing interest to learn that the Barton Street Jail guards like DM. Barton Street Jail, as we know, has well earned a reputation as being one of the most violent remand centres in the province and in the nation. Depending on the cause/source of the violence it may, or may not be a good idea to have the guards on side, IMO. IMHO.

http://www.900chml.com/2014/04/08/14445/

I happen to have a distant relative several times removed who is a proud "Correctional Officer" assigned to a remand centre. He wears a special uniform and everything. He has a grade 8 education and achieving that grade 8 certificate was a challenge. He is very brave. He's a naturally big, bulky, strong guy. He is proud of his job which he has held for nearly 3 decades. I think that several years ago he did take a basic first aid course but I know for sure that he doesn't know what a defibrillator is because I asked him how to change the battery in our machine and he had no idea what this essential life-saving equipment is used for or its simple operating procedure. He does not consider first aid (or last aid) as part of his responsibility. After all these years he now earns about $26.00 an hour. He has 7 children and 18 grandchildren. He knows, with unwavering certainty, that everyone in a jail cell is guilty of something. Otherwise they wouldn't be there. God has chosen to punish each one for some very good reason.

So, there's the bar that must be met. If any posters would like to join the ranks it turns out there are 80 positions currently up for grabs in Ontario. Successful candidates may get to befriend DM, too, or other so-called "high profile" inmates. (Yes, I said 80.)

https://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/Preview.aspx?JobID=76313

As I said earlier, someone I know who applied to be a correctional officer was turned down because he was too compassionate and was over qualified.

Pretty much sums up what you need to be to be a correctional officer, turns out someone just like your distant cousin several times removed.

 

[Carli]

IMO, DM's mother may have her own emotional issues to contend with and her twice a week visits are mere speculation. As we all know she's sold her home so as much as we know, she could be in another Country trying to escape reality. I haven't seen any MSM articles that make reference to her and I don't think she attends any of DM's court appearances. MOO
I've never been in jail nor have I ever visited anyone in jail, but I do know someone who works at Barton St. She's actually sees DM going up and down the halls and claims that he's treated very well and has freedoms. According to her, the guards like him, so at this point I'm not overwhelmed with sympathy. IMHO, DM is being treated a lot more fairly than the 3 innocent people he's accused of murdering and his Mother still has her son...and that's a lot more than LB and TB families have. MOO

Not to belabour the point, but isn't DM also innocent at this juncture? Perhaps I'm not fully understanding. MOO. IMHO.

 

[Carli]

I'm curious when your friend sees DM going up and down the halls. My understanding was that in protective custody you are only allowed out of your cell for one hour a day.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...t-rush-to-judgment-in-bosma-killing-1.1331399

A year later he was still there.





http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4413905-barton-jail-on-the-other-side-of-the-fence/

Is your friend saying he is no longer in protective custody?

(I'm no math whiz, but I think 23.5 hours per day would allow 1/2 an hour outside his cell, not 1 hour.)

 

[Alethea Dice]

(I'm no math whiz, but I think 23.5 hours per day would allow 1/2 an hour outside his cell, not 1 hour.)

Yes, but that was DP. Everything else I find says 1 hour outside.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Not to belabour the point, but isn't DM also innocent at this juncture? Perhaps I'm not fully understanding. MOO. IMHO.

Legally, yes.

 

[swedie]

Legally, yes.

Constitutionally, a defendant is given the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that the defendant did what he or she is accused of, with the quantum of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt. Thus, what is at issue is not necessarily whether the defendant did what he or she has been accused of. The issue that criminal defense is more concerned with is whether the prosecution can prove the defendant did what he or she is accused of. If the prosecution cannot prove it, then the defendant is not guilty.

See more at: http://www.boothlegal.com/innocent-...ction-with-a-difference/#sthash.KVPIBt5O.dpuf

Put simply, &#8220;innocent&#8221; means you didn&#8217;t do something. &#8220;Not guilty&#8221; is a legal term that means there wasn&#8217;t enough evidence to convict.

You see it now, right? There are plenty of people who are found &#8220;not guilty&#8221; but are far from innocent.

O.J. was the perfect example.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/jul/17/not-guilty-versus-innocent-press-talk-brancaccio/

 

[Tamarind]

Constitutionally, a defendant is given the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that the defendant did what he or she is accused of, with the quantum of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt. Thus, what is at issue is not necessarily whether the defendant did what he or she has been accused of. The issue that criminal defense is more concerned with is whether the prosecution can prove the defendant did what he or she is accused of. If the prosecution cannot prove it, then the defendant is not guilty.

See more at: http://www.boothlegal.com/innocent-...ction-with-a-difference/#sthash.KVPIBt5O.dpuf

Put simply, “innocent” means you didn’t do something. “Not guilty” is a legal term that means there wasn’t enough evidence to convict.

You see it now, right? There are plenty of people who are found “not guilty” but are far from innocent.

O.J. was the perfect example.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/jul/17/not-guilty-versus-innocent-press-talk-brancaccio/

Respectfully that is very misleading.

Try pleading innocent in court ! There is no provision for it. So to say that pleading not guilty means you are guilty but they can't prove it is absolute rubbish in many cases. Please point to where someone can plead innocence and their plea be accepted as such !

MANY times when someone is forced ( because they are forced) to plead one way or another, they have no other choice than Not Guilty. I don't like misleading posts JMO

 

[swedie]

Respectfully that is very misleading.

Try pleading innocent in court ! There is no provision for it. So to say that pleading not guilty means you are guilty but they can't prove it is absolute rubbish in many cases. Please point to where someone can plead innocence and their plea be accepted as such !

MANY times when someone is forced ( because they are forced) to plead one way or another, they have no other choice than Not Guilty. I don't like misleading posts JMO

You're entitled to your opinion. I don't see anything misleading about it. Go ahead and google what's the difference between innocent and not guilty. Many articles for you to choose from.

Interesting how in his jail house interview he didn't protest he was innocent, only that he didn't do IT. I guess that could be explained away...MS may have did the initial murder. DM was just there to assist in carrying the plan out and after the fact providing the incinerator and farmland property for disposal. And the trailer, oh and possibly the gun. MOO.

&#8220;No,&#8221; he says as he makes direct eye contact. &#8220;I didn&#8217;t do it &#8230; They might as well accuse me of having been to the moon. There&#8217;s nothing real about it.&#8221;

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

 

[swedie]

Be careful will shopping through these sites folks.

POLICE: BABY CUT FROM WOMB OF PREGNANT WOMAN RESPONDING TO CRAIGSLIST

LONGMONT, CO -- A 34-year-old woman was accused of stabbing a pregnant woman in the stomach and removing her baby, while the expectant mother visited her home to buy baby clothes advertised on Craigslist, Colorado authorities said.


http://abc7.com/news/woman-accused-of-cutting-baby-from-pregnant-womans-womb/564120/

 

[ABro]

Thanks for the suggestions, but I have already made my decision to wait and watch. Maybe the defense already has the answers. If I change my mind and decide to reveal any thoughts I have on the case, is your blog open for my suggestions under under a relevant title in the comments section? TIA

My blog is always open for comments although unfounded accusations will not be published.

Speaking of which, because I am now moving to a paid subscription newsletter, I will no longer be commenting on sites other than my own, except in exceptional circumstances.

I'd like to extend a big thanks to everyone who's provided tips in the past. On my own, I never would have figured out it was Sir Robert Borden tattooed on MWJ's head or found Dellen Millard's engagement photos or much more.

Happy sleuthing trails.

 

[Sillybilly]

Respectfully that is very misleading.

Try pleading innocent in court ! There is no provision for it. So to say that pleading not guilty means you are guilty but they can't prove it is absolute rubbish in many cases. Please point to where someone can plead innocence and their plea be accepted as such !

MANY times when someone is forced ( because they are forced) to plead one way or another, they have no other choice than Not Guilty. I don't like misleading posts JMO

It's not a misleading post at all ... it's very factual. Whether we like it or not, regardless of whether an accused is found Not Guilty, it is not a declaration of innocence. It simply means the Crown did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is how the learned judges describe it (in just one of many explanations):

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2100229-acquittal-case-fuels-declaration-of-innocence-debate/

The Appeal Court's written decision for Mullins-Johnson acknowledged "important policy reasons for not, in effect, recognizing a third verdict, other than guilty or not guilty, of factually innocent."

"To recognize a third verdict in the criminal trial process would, in effect, create two classes of people: those found to be factually innocent and those who benefited from the presumption of innocence and the high standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt," the court wrote.

Obviously the judges agreed with the Crown in this regard:

from:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2007/10/15/should_rulings_include_innocent.html

Going beyond the traditional verdicts of "guilty" or "not guilty" and making an official finding of "factual innocence" would move the country's courts toward a "three-tier" verdict system, lawyers for the Crown say in a court brief filed for the case of William Mullins-Johnson.

The result would be "a grave disservice" to people simply found "not guilty" by the courts, leaving them with a tarnished, second-class status, the attorney general argues.

"A verdict of innocence or declaration of innocence has never been and should not become part of Canadian law," a Crown brief says.

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q="declaration+of+innocence"+canada

Canada's not a freak of nature about it .. it's the same in the US.

hth