Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[Tamarind]

Your guess is as good as mine Matou. I would be more apt to believe it's the naive side of DM coming through. Could it be he believes he has convinced them and they just go along with what he claims? I'm sure the guards have their ways of "befriending" inmates, gaining their trust to obtain information. It would be something to be a fly on the wall and hear these conversations or talk to those DM says he has convinced. Yes they do plant jail informants and if the information shared is worthy, they would be called as witnesses. MOO.

Maybe if we could get an accurate account of what transpires at Barton St we could possibly comment with ease. If DM is in solitary I doubt an informant would be much use. If he is in with everyone else it should be easy to spot the guy zoning in for a chat with questions about the case.
IMO just because he thinks guards like him, doesn't mean he would speak about the case. If he's not talking to LE why would he talk to someone in jail, other than to maintain his innocence ? JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

A few articles about DM's Yukon. HTH.

Police say surveillance video captured images of Mr. Millard’s dark blue GMC Yukon SUV following Mr. Bosma’s 2007 Dodge Ram pickup truck on the evening of May 6, when two men arrived at the Ancaster, Ont., father’s home to test drive Mr. Bosma’s vehicle.

However, Staff. Sgt. Kavanagh said investigators do not know who was driving the SUV and are probing the possibility that it was Mr. Smich.

“In reality, it could have been Smich,” said Staff Sgt. Kavanagh. “Smich could have got out of the Bosma truck and into the Yukon. So that’s why I say I’m not sure.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ird-suspect-in-bosma-killing/article12370401/

Police earlier alleged the two men climbed into Bosma’s 2007 Dodge Ram and were then followed by a second car — Millard’s dark blue GMC Yukon. A third suspect was believed to be the person driving that second car. Kavanagh now says police are not sure whether Smich, who is said to have been in the back seat of the truck while Millard was driving, exited that vehicle after leaving Bosma’s home and got into the driver’s seat of the Yukon.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...rd_suspect_exists_lead_investigator_says.html

Police have said Bosma's truck was tailed by another vehicle the night of the fatal test drive. That vehicle was Millard's dark blue Yukon SUV, which he was later driving when he was taken down by police and arrested.

Police believe there was one person inside the Yukon the night Bosma was abducted, but that person "has not been identified as yet," Kavanagh says.

"It's possible they played a minor role, not a major role," he told The Spectator, adding that person is not a danger to the public.

"The two people we caught were the most dangerous people involved in this," he said.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3...ch-millard-farm-with-special-radar-equipment/

Funny that, isnt' it? First they arrested DM and were looking for the second and third suspects and there was concern for public safety.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/more-suspects-sought-in-tim-bosma-slaying-1.1334007

Then they arrested MS and they said the danger to the public was over because it was possible the person driving the Yukon only played a minor role.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2882879-second-arrest-made-in-tim-bosma-murder/

So who was driving that Yukon again? The one who was said to be a danger to the public because "look what he did the first time"?

 

[swedie]

Message to DM.
Please do DM. You just may get top ratings on your interview, people will again smile and say good things about you. It wouldn't be the first time you went against your lawyers advice so why worry now? Why the change of heart? Are you now regretting taking your lawyers advice or your own knowledge about remaining silent during your police interrogation right after your arrest?

Wouldn't it be more important for the truth to come out now instead of a bunch of misconstrued "facts" being continually written about you and these assumed murders? More importantly though why you should do the interview IMHO, is so you could persuade potential jurors so they don't fall for the lies and falsified evidence that will be presented during your trial by our corrupt justice system. Our justice system with tunnel vision, whose only mission is to frame you, make you hated for no reason really other than you are the link to three people whose deaths have been deemed murders and we all know, someone has to take the fall. We're all ears. Please do us all the honour of the interview. lease: MOO.

“Once the dust settles, once trial is over, and all information is released, people will again smile and say good things about me,” he wrote. “I really do believe this. I just have to endure this to get there.”

I’m relying on the advice of my lawyer, and several other lawyers too, all agree, stay quiet. CBS wants to do a lengthy interview. Right now, I feel like doing it. And not just sticking to my personal background; I feel like getting right into the case, and picking it all apart.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...n-to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/

 

[Alethea Dice]

FWIW, we don't know how silent DM was during his interrogation. We only know that, once his lawyer appeared, DP said he was exercising his right to remain silent. In the May 10th news conference, Kavanaugh was asked if DM was cooperating. His reply was: "That's part of the evidence. I'm not going to get into that."

Around 7:25 in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1Zkrxs348

 

[Sillybilly]

He must be adjusting to his life behind bars fairly well. He has even convinced many guards and prisoners he is not guilty.

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from:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/#1

It’s the content … and I can’t even tell you, because it’s directly about the case… but what I will say, is that “the facts” they keep repeating, don’t match the disclosure I am given. I thought by now some, even one, of those so called ‘investigative’ journalists would have picked up on some of discrepancies in what police are telling them ...

How is it that DM has been able to convince some of the guards that he is not guilty, but can't reveal "the content" to the recipient of the letter? If not able to reveal the content pending trial, how have the guards come to believe in his innocence? Possibly some of his naivety could be in thinking the guards are sincere in their support (i.e. yeah sure buddy, we know ya didn't do it)

 

[swedie]

FWIW, we don't know how silent DM was during his interrogation. We only know that, once his lawyer appeared, DP said he was exercising his right to remain silent. In the May 10th news conference, Kavanaugh was asked if DM was cooperating. His reply was: "That's part of the evidence. I'm not going to get into that."

Around 7:25 in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1Zkrxs348

After listening to the news conference, I have to say that being as Kavanaugh said at 6:55, "second suspect, we're still investigating, he has not been identified at this time", leads me to believe DM was not divulging information and certainly not against his co accused, otherwise Kavanaugh would have stated they have leads on second suspect. Again at 10:00 when asked if he could release the name of the second suspect, he said the second suspect has not been identified.

From reading other articles, it appears DM has remained silent for the get go. MOO.

Millard has so far maintained his right to remain silent, but his lawyer said the public &#8220;will likely hear his side of the story&#8221; when the case goes to trial a few years from now.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/15/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-in-hamilton-court

Although he maintains his innocence, he&#8217;s not speaking with police for fear of being unfairly implicated in the murder, Paradkar said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...formally_charged_with_firstdegree_murder.html

 

[swedie]

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/#1



How is it that DM has been able to convince some of the guards that he is not guilty, but can't reveal "the content" to the recipient of the letter? If not able to reveal the content pending trial, how have the guards come to believe in his innocence? Possibly some of his naivety could be in thinking the guards are sincere in their support (i.e. yeah sure buddy, we know ya didn't do it)

Yes, I'm sure the guards hear this same old song all too often...but know better and know how to deal with it. (Yeah sure buddy, but tell us more).

 

[swedie]

Had it been MS who committed the murder of TB and DM was an innocent bystander, during interrogation would have been the opportune time to speak up and deluge all he knew and not cover for his buddy. This to me says DM was more involved then some might assume. Knowing he had committed two other murders, DM knew it would only be a matter of time before investigators would be looking into WM's and LB's cases. There was no escaping the inevitable, so why bother saying anything, I'm screwed regardless, was likely his thought process. But that's JMO.

 

[MsSherlock]

First of all, IMO, even though there have been journalists covering this story, there's not many "investigative journalists" writing on it. DM is indicating that there are blatant discrepancies that should be obvious to the trained crime reporters eye and he goes on further to say that John Q public should even notice there are things out of place in the news articles.

Considering that we've been sleuthing this for almost 2 years now, these statements perplex me since discrepancies in the news reports should have surfaced here a long time ago. Any idea what he's talking about? Once again, there are physical facts here. The type of truck, the time of day, the incinerator on the farm, the identity of the victim, the identity of the suspect, where the truck was found...etc. The only thing I can think of is the cause of death? Perhaps how contact was made? If they were really spotted in Brantford? Was there only 2? Does DM know that LE haven't said very much about the case from the time of MS's arrest and every article is more or less a repeat of the other? MOO

"I thought by now some, even one, of those so called &#8216;investigative&#8217; journalists would have picked up on some of discrepancies in what police are telling them. I thought the public might have noticed some of the things that are out of place in the news articles. "
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/#1

 

[MsSherlock]

"For heaven’s sake, it’s right in front of everyone’s faces, and no one seems to be able to figure it all out!?"

This is a challenge for all on WS if there ever was one. lol DM is making a direct reference here to MSM articles...isn't he? Perhaps he's thinking that since MS has a rap sheet that he should be taking all the heat. Or maybe since MWJ is a bad rapper dude that he should be the prime suspect? Is he being targeted by LE because they had carded him earlier?
Of course as stated prior, things have gotten a bit more critical for DM since he wrote these letters. A couple more murder charges, his girlfriend charged etc. It's almost looks like he was following JA's playbook. "Look here...and here....and here..." And the DNA say's "look here" and if there are pic's or video's- well those may speak for themselves. MOO
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/#1

 

[Arnie M]

"For heaven’s sake, it’s right in front of everyone’s faces, and no one seems to be able to figure it all out!?"

This is a challenge for all on WS if there ever was one. lol DM is making a direct reference here to MSM articles...isn't he? Perhaps he's thinking that since MS has a rap sheet that he should be taking all the heat. Or maybe since MWJ is a bad rapper dude that he should be the prime suspect? Is he being targeted by LE because they had carded him earlier?
Of course as stated prior, things have gotten a bit more critical for DM since he wrote these letters. A couple more murder charges, his girlfriend charged etc. It's almost looks like he was following JA's playbook. "Look here...and here....and here..." And the DNA say's "look here" and if there are pic's or video's- well those may speak for themselves. MOO
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/#1

Good points MsSherlock ... That quote also has me wondering "what we missed" ... the way DM makes it sound it should be "obvious" for us to figure out.

Yet every which way I look at it everything points toward his involvement , not away , what are we missing ?

even though there have been journalists covering this story, there's not many "investigative journalists" writing on it.

I dont think there are many "investigative journalists" left in the whole world (smile)

I feel fortunate we have a professional journalist here with us (ABro) ... yet look at the pounding she takes from some posters

Being a reporter is not an easy job , it does not pay big wages , they have to be accountable for everything they publish , it requires passion for the truth , thick skin , and a strong spine

Anonymous people on internet discussion boards would not survive for 10 seconds under those conditions

 

[redheart]

I think he's just hinting at what his defense team used to try to fly in here - "This is all so preposterous! Why would this handsome, intelligent, well-to-do young man want to steal a truck or kill an innocent stranger? Well, he wouldn't of course! All the clues lead directly to him so OBVIOUSLY it's a big frame-up!"

Unfortunately for DM and his supporters, that line of defense is much harder to fly since he's been charged with his Dad and LB's deaths, as has been pointed out. I don't hear too much about the big frame-up these days.

 

[Tamarind]

First of all, IMO, even though there have been journalists covering this story, there's not many "investigative journalists" writing on it. DM is indicating that there are blatant discrepancies that should be obvious to the trained crime reporters eye and he goes on further to say that John Q public should even notice there are things out of place in the news articles.

Considering that we've been sleuthing this for almost 2 years now, these statements perplex me since discrepancies in the news reports should have surfaced here a long time ago. Any idea what he's talking about? Once again, there are physical facts here. The type of truck, the time of day, the incinerator on the farm, the identity of the victim, the identity of the suspect, where the truck was found...etc. The only thing I can think of is the cause of death? Perhaps how contact was made? If they were really spotted in Brantford? Was there only 2? Does DM know that LE haven't said very much about the case from the time of MS's arrest and every article is more or less a repeat of the other? MOO

"I thought by now some, even one, of those so called &#8216;investigative&#8217; journalists would have picked up on some of discrepancies in what police are telling them. I thought the public might have noticed some of the things that are out of place in the news articles. "
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/#1

There are those of us who have been repeating that something doesn't pass the sniff test in this case. Maybe we will keep digging and looking as our minds are open to finding the truth, I know I will.

Just a thought, if DM was driving the Yukon and the Yukon followed the truck, I wonder if that means that DM was the chauffeur. We know its not likely he needed a truck. Did he even stay once test drive began? How many people were there? How many people showed up at some place to view the truck? Was money paid for the truck? Did someone offer TB ride home after money was paid? Who was going to drive him home if thats the case? Was he then robbed of the money he had been paid?

All of these questions and many more are not answered. IMO

 

[Tamarind]

I think he's just hinting at what his defense team used to try to fly in here - "This is all so preposterous! Why would this handsome, intelligent, well-to-do young man want to steal a truck or kill an innocent stranger? Well, he wouldn't of course! All the clues lead directly to him so OBVIOUSLY it's a big frame-up!"

Unfortunately for DM and his supporters, that line of defense is much harder to fly since he's been charged with his Dad and LB's deaths, as has been pointed out. I don't hear too much about the big frame-up these days.

Yes it almost seems that those two later charges were added to help seal the case. I do not believe that he killed his father or LB. But the picture is becoming clearer IMO.

 

[Tamarind]

Good points MsSherlock ... That quote also has me wondering "what we missed" ... the way DM makes it sound it should be "obvious" for us to figure out.

Yet every which way I look at it everything points toward his involvement , not away , what are we missing ?


I dont think there are many "investigative journalists" left in the whole world (smile)

I feel fortunate we have a professional journalist here with us (ABro) ... yet look at the pounding she takes from some posters

Being a reporter is not an easy job , it does not pay big wages , they have to be accountable for everything they publish , it requires passion for the truth , thick skin , and a strong spine

Anonymous people on internet discussion boards would not survive for 10 seconds under those conditions

I believe Abro is now only posting on her own blog. She has only taken a pounding here when needed IMO. She is quite capable of pounding others even when not needed so I agree with you journalists have to be very thick skinned. Truth is based on perspective and not all journalists have the right one but that is just my opinion. When people write for profit there is IMO a different perspective. Each journalist having their own. Posters here are not writing for any profit, many of us seek the truth and also have a desire for justice not simply a desire to pound anyone with charges.

 

[Arnie M]

There are those of us who have been repeating that something doesn't pass the sniff test in this case. Maybe we will keep digging and looking as our minds are open to finding the truth, I know I will.

Just a thought, if DM was driving the Yukon and the Yukon followed the truck, I wonder if that means that DM was the chauffeur. We know its not likely he needed a truck. Did he even stay once test drive began? How many people were there? How many people showed up at some place to view the truck? Was money paid for the truck? Did someone offer TB ride home after money was paid? Who was going to drive him home if thats the case? Was he then robbed of the money he had been paid?

All of these questions and many more are not answered. IMO

Then there is someone with a receipt and bill of sale for Tims truck .... they better come forward to claim it and demand to know where the missing seats are.

 

[redheart]

Yes it almost seems that those two later charges were added to help seal the case. I do not believe that he killed his father or LB. But the picture is becoming clearer IMO.

You're suggesting that DM was charged with two other murders so LE could seal their case against DM for murdering TB? Okaaaaay then. Here I was guessing he was charged with two other murders because they have some evidence that he committed two other murders. I must be way off. :facepalm:

General (not directed at a particular poster): Boy, the DM defense team has been particularly relentless lately. I know how hard it must be to admit, even to oneself, that someone you thought you knew isn't who you thought they were. But constantly arguing his innocence, under the guise of being champions of the wrongfully accused, just shows everyone why you were fooled to begin with.

 

[Alethea Dice]

After listening to the news conference, I have to say that being as Kavanaugh said at 6:55, "second suspect, we're still investigating, he has not been identified at this time", leads me to believe DM was not divulging information and certainly not against his co accused, otherwise Kavanaugh would have stated they have leads on second suspect. Again at 10:00 when asked if he could release the name of the second suspect, he said the second suspect has not been identified.

From reading other articles, it appears DM has remained silent for the get go. MOO.

Millard has so far maintained his right to remain silent, but his lawyer said the public &#8220;will likely hear his side of the story&#8221; when the case goes to trial a few years from now.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/15/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-in-hamilton-court

Although he maintains his innocence, he&#8217;s not speaking with police for fear of being unfairly implicated in the murder, Paradkar said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...formally_charged_with_firstdegree_murder.html

Not naming the other accused doesn't mean he didn't try to tell his side of the story, no matter what his side was at the time. If I recall correctly, they had him in there for quite a while before charging him. But yes, once DP was on the scene, he was maintaining his right to remain silent.

(Too late to edit and correct, but the news conference was from May 14th, not May 10th as I indicated in my previous post. Just to note my error.)

 

[Alethea Dice]

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from:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure/#1



How is it that DM has been able to convince some of the guards that he is not guilty, but can't reveal "the content" to the recipient of the letter? If not able to reveal the content pending trial, how have the guards come to believe in his innocence? Possibly some of his naivety could be in thinking the guards are sincere in their support (i.e. yeah sure buddy, we know ya didn't do it)

Just bouncing off your post. Since it seems to be such a big issue whether the guards like DM or whether they think he's not guilty, could someone please point me to the letters where he discusses this? I don't see it in any of the pieces of letters shared, only that the journalist claims he makes multiple references to it. If there are multiple references to it throughout his letters, one would hope that part would have been shared in at least one. I would just like to be able to make my own conclusions about how he claims to have convinced them.

I'm not sure, however, that the "facts" in MSM that don't match the disclosure necessarily has anything to do with whether the guards like him or think he may be not guilty. We don't even know if the guards do indeed think that, or whether DM only feels that they do based on their conversations with him and how he's treated.

JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

Not naming the other accused doesn't mean he didn't try to tell his side of the story, no matter what his side was at the time. If I recall correctly, they had him in there for quite a while before charging him. But yes, once DP was on the scene, he was maintaining his right to remain silent.

(Too late to edit and correct, but the news conference was from May 14th, not May 10th as I indicated in my previous post. Just to note my error.)

Seriously, I doubt that DM had another side to the story aside for "it wasn't me". But that's just MHO. IMO, IF DP became aware that DM knew who was responsible for the murder of TB and wasn't saying anything that he could be guilty of obstructing justice. Remember, DP said they were simply going to wait and see what evidence LE had? Can't help but think that this may have been a well orchestrated plot by DM and LE's interpretation isn't in line with the way DM saw it unfolding, so now DM is saying..."hey, this is the way it's suppose to look!"
I'm willing to presume him innocent until a jury finds him guilty. Heck, I'll even be the first in line at his "wrongful prosecution" lawsuit, if that time ever came.
IMHO, I'll put my faith in DNA and digital forensics. Funny how everyone in his life is "staying alive" these days. MOO