Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[Alethea Dice]

Yes they did have DM in there for quite some time...almost 24 hours IIRC. They also had MR in for questioning for quite some time and from what I've seem of his interrogation, he didn't say much more than "I didn't do anything", "Terri Lynn's a liar" and "I want to speak with a lawyer". He coward under his blankie, sniffling, sipping his tea and acted like the wimp that he is. We all learned the truth in the end though in that case. He was the motivator/instigator who planned Tori's abduction and murder for his own warped, sexual satisfaction.

I provided another link stating DM had maintained his right to remain silent. I believe so far and maintain are the ultimate words. Believe what you like. MOO.

Millard has so far maintained his right to remain silent, but his lawyer said the public “will likely hear his side of the story” when the case goes to trial a few years from now.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/15/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-in-hamilton-court

That link is also from after his lawyer arrived on the scene and seems to be from a conversation with DP.

What does MR have to do with this case? Aren't there still some threads somewhere here that can still be used for those who still care to discuss his case?

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

IIRC MS did not have a valid driver's license. If it was only MS and TB that night wanting to do the test drive, wouldn't you assume TB would ask to see the driver's license before he would let someone drive his truck? I know I would, otherwise they would not be getting behind the steering wheel of my vehicle.

Could this have been why TB was murdered? Because he had at least one of the names of the accused and if they just stole his truck and let him go, good chance TB could identify him by name? Did the business owner demand DM show him his license the day before and this is why MS and DM didn't carry out their assumed intended plan of stealing his truck and murdering him? Car dealerships do it that way and I'm sure TB had test drove may vehicles in his past, had that knowledge and would want to make sure the driver of his truck was a valid licensed driver. Same with the business owner. If you take a vehicle out on a test drive, the agent always photocopies your license. Did the business owner take a copy of DM's license at the office? Did DM know this? DM and MS were already in the thick of things and decided to follow through on the test drive anyhow, not to seem suspicious but trashing the rest of their plan? Did DM have fake license? Was LE able to go to some of these joints with the fake license (photocopy from business owner's business) and find out who the real person was on the fake license? Did LE find the fake license on one of the accused computers? DM was the first to be arrested. Why? Because someone was able to identify his picture on the license along with his tattoos? TWT and MOO.

Where did you hear that MS didn't have a driver's licence? Can you please provide a link? His impaired charge was from back in 2009 so I can't imagine why he wouldn't have his licence back by 2013. Not that I think that would have stopped him from driving anyway.

http://globalnews.ca/news/583828/2nd-suspect-formally-charged-in-tim-bosma-case/

If the business owner asked for and received DM's licence, it's unfortunate that he didn't share the name with LE, only the tattoo information. I think that Kavanaugh made it pretty clear that they found DM from the business owner's description of the tattoo and from their files from a carding that had noted the same tattoo. There is nothing in what has been reported to support any conjecture about licences, fake or real, as being how he was identified.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Respectfully, this is why healthy people engage in what is known as a "willing suspension of disbelief" to enjoy movies, operas, theatrical performances, videos, pageants and even the occasional religious celebration. All of these feature imaginary events or dramatic reenactments presented by actors in a highly controlled environment. The point is that through experiencing such fictitious events and entertainments, viewers may come to a greater understanding of themselves and the world around them.

That is a disturbingly far cry removed from transferring oneself into the minds and emotions of real life murderers or their victims, IMO. I can see why such an exercise might be useful in the field of psychology or criminology. IMO. MOO. But for instance, as a non-professional I see little point in trying to imagine why a crazy person carries out a crazy act. Spoiler alert. Because they're having a manic episode? What can I, as a disinterested observer learn from imagining what a crazed person must be thinking? Just MHO.

Incidentally, and marginally OT, why does it matter to know how much money, or how little, the Millard family had or has?

Actually, speaking for myself, I'm very interested in the psychology of why a killer kills. When a case such as this grabs my attention, it is generally because there seems to be no logic to the crime, no reasonable motive can be found, there is simply no understandable reason for it to have happened. If the killer is psychotic, or just plain evil, I'm interested in learning and trying to understand why. Something that happened in his/her life? Born that way? What made this person into what he/she is? However, to me, that doesn't entail how much money he has or doesn't have, personal letters he may or may not have sent to family and friends, how many spelling mistakes he makes, his choice of words used in his writings, what kind of haircut he chose for a race, whether he treated his friends to meals and/or gifts, who he lived with, etc., etc.. I want to know about the trauma or events that molded this person into who he became and why. Movies, theatre, fiction, are simply entertainment to me and provide nothing to better understand myself or the world in general.

JMO

 

[Tamarind]

<bbm>

Whoa, more than a tch of class distinction peaking through? Healthy (more sophisticated?) persons with an interest or involvement in the arts vs those with an interest in psychology or criminology.

I'm sure there are many professionals, non-professionals, and interested observers here who would like to understand and explore the psychology of crime. By contrast, what does a "disinterested observer" wish to explore on a crime sleuthing forum?

Personally, I would rather reach a greater understanding of myself and the world around me through reality as opposed to fantasy.

Watching videos are a touch of class distinction? I thought everybody watched videos or movies !

I love investigating alleged crimes and obviously so does Carli or she wouldnt be posting here IMO.

The point is that usually healthy people occasionally take a time out to watch videos/movies, opera, theatre or even a game of hockey or soccer. IMO it give the mind a rest from becoming single tracked or narrow minded IMO. I didn't take the post as an attack on anybody, just pointing out that most people are able to detach temporarily from something that has them engrossed.

Sometimes more can be read into posts than is actually there. IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

With hearty snipping:

Woah! Maybe the point you added to MsSherlock's list is one of the "facts" DM is referring to. Many of the write ups in the MSM make reference to DM/WM having millions of dollars.

I think DM would be right to be distressed at the paper&#8217;s portraits of him as a millionaire to the manor born. His family history suggests a much more humble lifestyle.

In CM&#8217;s obit, WM wrote &#8220;Carl and Dell formed Millard Auto Aero Marine Ltd. in 1946, and over the next 15 years were Canadian distributors for Steelcraft Boats, Beech Aircraft, Fleet Aircraft and Bellanca Aircraft. The office headquarters was the little sunroom at the back of the tiny bungalow at 127 St. Clements Avenue&#8221;.

http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/Deaths.20061125.93074074/BDAStory/BDA/deaths

Tiny? Tiny! CM would have lived at this micro-address at least until WM was 20 and doing a year of college. The faux timber-framed Tudor bungalow is cute as a bug, but hard to imagine as a family home:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.7118...!1e1!3m2!1sepK0R5sYCWXWOCTaLPpmkw!2e0!6m1!1e1

Also from the obit, CM did not have a heck of a lot of education. Grade 8, in fact, like Carli&#8217;s relative http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...na-Noudga-Accessory-3&p=11603270#post11603270 and just like Carli&#8217;s relative, achieving that was a challenge:

o it came to be that young Carl was deliberately failed. He would have to repeat Grade 8. Carl's mother, Vera (Shuttleworth, 18901960), was a no-nonsense hard working farm wife who went into battle with the school board, who eventually and reluctantly would allow Carl the opportunity to write the Grade 8 exams again. But there was a hitch, he would have to wait until next year. He spent the next year working on the farm, and when he did pass the exams the following year he had already been working full-time and given up the plans to study mechanical engineering.

The man that reared WM was a real simple guy, but by reports hard and driven. WM was in turn a passive personality to CM&#8217;s dominance, a cheerleader and CM&#8217;s number one fan: he paid $30k to eulogize him in the Globe

https://books.google.ca/books?id=6c...epage&q=obituary carl millard $30,000&f=false

I've had my doubts for a long time as to whether WM and DM had a fortune until CM passed away. Did WM invested his inheritance in the hangar? Did DM feel bitter about his father's investment, something he had no interest in?

WM&#8217;s career seemed to downtrend. He started at the top, with Air Canada at 25&#8230;but by 37 he was working for a small, financially unstable discount carrier, and by 42 he was back where he started in his 20&#8217;s, working for his father CM again. DM (Sr) died, WM inherited (ABro), and WM immediately made a kid. Within 7 years the family business was in bankruptcy. DM would have been 5, and there is no work history known for WM after that, and WM&#8217;s marriage failed.

DM might have grown up not ever knowing WM as a man with a job.

DM did know WM as a man with a drink, though.

Here IMO we have a long slow trauma unfolding day after day for years. When you counsel an alcoholic, there are two challenges. One is the physical addiction: the hijacked dopamine system of the addict, the state of the user when under the influence, and the drive to use.

The other part is the social/relationship tragedy: drinking takes hours at a time. Sobering up takes hours more. How many missed appointment and events, late meals, and promises broken, when a parent&#8217;s priority is their addiction? ETA: And what of the thinking patterns of the alcoholic, the denial, the blaming, emotional lability? Poor thinking patterns are modeled by the parent for the child.

I want to know about the trauma or events that molded this person into who he became and why

I invite you to explore Alateen, which is the Alcoholics Anonymous support group for teens of parents who drink.

It&#8217;s very difficult when one (or both) of your parents has a drinking problem. It affects how you are treated and it shapes your world.

http://al-anon.org/alateen-for-teens

 

[Carli]

<bbm>

Whoa, more than a tch of class distinction peaking through? Healthy (more sophisticated?) persons with an interest or involvement in the arts vs those with an interest in psychology or criminology.

I'm sure there are many professionals, non-professionals, and interested observers here who would like to understand and explore the psychology of crime. By contrast, what does a "disinterested observer" wish to explore on a crime sleuthing forum?

Personally, I would rather reach a greater understanding of myself and the world around me through reality as opposed to fantasy.

Interesting points. However, I don't equate a healthy viewpoint with sophistication. I do not consider an interest in the psychology of crime to be the same thing as figuring out what makes an individual commit a violent act. That's in part because my personal experience provides me no viable structural template for such a determination other than, perhaps, a generic view such as "I'd never hurt another person so anyone who does so is both (a) incredible to me and (b) thankfully not like me." But even that determination lacks specifics because nobody charged for allegedly carrying out these specific and particular crimes has yet been tried or convicted. If I were to impose the template of my own experience it would be even more limiting. For instance, I don't believe in pure evil, original sin or any boogey men. In part, therefore, it seems to me that issues associated with crime and violence tend to be either health related (drugs, mental illness, physical illness etc) or influenced by societal pressures (poverty, unemployment, militarism, racism, etc.)

You may be right in the suggestion of elitist commentary, though. Having had a long standing association with commercial "cattle run" aviation dating back a few decades and more than a couple of generations, as well as having long experience with the arts community, AKA your "fantasy" escapists, I haven't the faintest problem understanding the home life and background of DM which, while for most it may not segue with the average imaginary understanding of either the Bridle Path nouveau dilettantes or the Scarborough lunch bucket crowd, is actually a very normal upbringing in the rarefied world of families like his. Actually, come to think of it, I could recite a fairly lengthy list of such individuals, all of whom have gone on to acquire significant achievements, some even household names, and not a single murder to their credits, so far as we know.

All of which is just my way of saying murderous violent outbursts are aberrations in our society, not the norm of reality. What is there to learn from these aberrant acts? Don't get on buses because somebody might chop off your head? Don't take a roommate because he may send your body parts to politicians? Don't take a plane. Somebody might intend to obliterate it with his exploding underwear. Don't take a train. Elevators? Didn't you know, people are raped and killed in elevators! Basically, stay at home under the bed and for heaven's sake, don't order takeout.

But the issues arising from how crimes are investigated and prosecuted; how charges are determined; how prisons are managed and how prisoners are warehoused within them; how trials are conducted and how sentence are determined - all these and more are areas in which every voice and every opinion can actually make a difference to our society and all of these issues are absolutely one hundred percent based in reality.

MOO. IMHO. etc.

 

[SnooperDuper]

You may be right in the suggestion of elitist commentary, though. Having had a long standing association with commercial "cattle run" aviation dating back a few decades and more than a couple of generations, as well as having long experience with the arts community, AKA your "fantasy" escapists, I haven't the faintest problem understanding the home life and background of DM which, while for most it may not segue with the average imaginary understanding of either the Bridle Path nouveau dilettantes or the Scarborough lunch bucket crowd, is actually a very normal upbringing in the rarefied world of families like his.

Households of the "elite" are normally headed by alcoholics? Remember, WM and DM didn't become "elite" until they inherited CM's millions in 2009. Before that, DM didn't act like he had money, because the family was likely doing no better than any other single parent middle class household headed by an alcoholic.

 

[SnooperDuper]

In the past, Dellen had had other friends live in the basement, and although his father was not happy with this communal living situation, he never kicked anyone out. Instead, Wayne used tactics like not stocking the fridge in the hopes that this would make the basement a less attractive crash pad.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...ived-at-home-of-wayne-and-dellen-millard.html

See, and this is an easy situation for an alcoholic to live with, because at 7 calories per gram, alcohol provides plenty of calories. Many don't eat at all. Of course all that drinking is really going to aggravate your rosacea I think there are a load of tells that WM really had a problem, and how could that not affect the way DM thought and saw the world?

 

[Sillybilly]

I think there are a load of tells that WM really had a problem, and how could that not affect the way DM thought and saw the world?

<rsbm>

IF WM did in fact have a severe problem with alcoholism, it could very well have had a long-term, detrimental affect on DM.

see Important Facts at National Association of Children of Alcoholics:
http://www.nacoa.net/impfacts.htm

i.e.

5. Alcohol is associated with a substantial proportion of human violence, and perpetrators are often under the influence of alcohol.


Alcohol is a key factor in 68% of manslaughters, 62% of assaults, 54% of murders and attempted murders, 48% of robberies, and 44% of burglaries.

Studies of family violence frequently document high rates of alcohol and other drug involvement.

COAs may be more likely to be the targets of physical abuse and to witness family violence.

Compared with non-alcoholic families, alcoholic families demonstrate poorer problem-solving abilities, both among the parents and within the family as a whole. These poor communication and problem-solving skills may be mechanisms through which lack of cohesion and increased conflict develop and escalate in alcoholic families.

COAs are more at risk for disruptive behavioral problems and are more likely than non-COAs to be sensation seeking, aggressive, and impulsive.

etc, etc

 

[Carli]

UBM - More interested in the life a crazy person, such as their background, the opinions/views about them self, their interests, likes, dislikes, the way they view others, the world, coping mechanisms, etc. When the information is almost limitless and there is interest, one shouldn't cut themselves short and have tunnel vision. To determine ones guilt or innocence, as armchair detectives, wouldn't it be advisable to be playing with a full deck as opposed to half a deck? No? MOO.

BBM - Motive for murdering his father? Motive for wanting to steal someone's truck?

Sure, ok, but we don't care about mentally ill persons leading normal and well monitored/medicated lives, we only care about a single crazy act.

Here's are possible Ten Sleuthing Alternative Questions that don't send us off into trying to figure out if eating dog bisquits at the age of 11 or 12 is a pre-determinant for serial murders. Let's limit the examination, for the moment, to the sudden death of WM.

1) Was WM an alcoholic? Is there any confirmation other than a MSM report?
2). Who was present at WM (and DM's) residence on the date of WM's death.
3). Who discovered WM?. Was he actually dead when discovered or did he succumb later? Where exactly did he die and who was present?
4). Who called the ambulance/hospital, whatever.
5). DM told his employees that the Coroner told him his father's death was due to a "brain aneurysm". Accepting, for the moment, that report to be true, does this mean DM never saw his father's dead body with the bullet wound to either the temple or the eye? Who did.
6) If the Coroner didn't report a bullet wound to the eye, where did this report originate?
7) LE report that the weapon used to extinguish the life of WM was a revolver purchased by DM. Was a bullet found in or about or near WM's head? Did this bullet fit the chamber of the illegally obtained revolver. How is it known that the revolver was purchased by DM for his own use? If it was so purchased, what was the purpose?
8) As I recall, in photographs taken through the window by a reporter much later in the piece, there appears to be a shotgun or rifle in the bg. Whose weapon was this? Did this weapon play any part in the sudden death of WM?
9) Was there a delay in the Coroner providing a cause of death as self inflicted to WM's family? Why?
10) I there was no delay in providing this information, was the Coroner incompetent in determining the cause of death as suicide?

Many, many questions. (None of which, by the way, have anything whatsoever to do with frame-ups.) These and many, many more questions before we leap to the conclusion, however seductive, that an impatient pantywaist son couldn't wait to off his dad and steal the family's waning fortunes as predetermined by his willingness to eat dog bisquits to amuse 11 year old schoolmates a decade or so ago. IMO. IMHO. etc.

EMPHATICALLY IMO. IMHO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

4). DM told his employees that the Coroner told him his father's death was due to a "brain aneurysm".

<rsbm>

&#8220;People asked me how he died,&#8221; Millard says. &#8220;I&#8217;d say he died of a sudden bleed in his brain, which is what the coroner told me.&#8221;

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

Mr. Sharif and the Millardair team were told that Wayne had died of a brain aneurysm.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

And remember when I wrote DM had the right to remain silent, but not the capacity? He has such a fast-moving tongue that he can't keep track of all the different tales he has told people.

 

[Variant]

10) I there was nodelay in providing this information, was the Coroner incompetent in determiningthe cause of death as suicide?[/FONT]
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Investigating officers may have concluded suicide, but the coroner did not.

"However, after charges were laid in Bosma’s murder, the office of the Ontario chief coroner said the investigation into Wayne Millard’s death was “still ongoing.”

“(It’s) open and has not yet concluded,” Cheryl Mahyr, the coroner’s issues manager, said in May."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...r_lengthy_delay_in_dellen_millard_probes.html

This has been pointed out in the past but you seem to keep forgetting this information.

 

[Carli]

Investigating officers may have concluded suicide, but the coroner did not.

"However, after charges were laid in Bosma&#8217;s murder, the office of the Ontario chief coroner said the investigation into Wayne Millard&#8217;s death was &#8220;still ongoing.&#8221;

&#8220;(It&#8217;s) open and has not yet concluded,&#8221; Cheryl Mahyr, the coroner&#8217;s issues manager, said in May."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...r_lengthy_delay_in_dellen_millard_probes.html

This has been pointed out in the past but you seem to keep forgetting this information.

Yes, you're right. I do. Anybody know how long it usually takes for the Ontario Chief Coroner to determine the cause of a death?

 

[Alethea Dice]

<rsbm>

&#8220;People asked me how he died,&#8221; Millard says. &#8220;I&#8217;d say he died of a sudden bleed in his brain, which is what the coroner told me.&#8221;

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

Mr. Sharif and the Millardair team were told that Wayne had died of a brain aneurysm.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

And remember when I wrote DM had the right to remain silent, but not the capacity? He has such a fast-moving tongue that he can't keep track of all the different tales he has told people.

??? A brain aneurysm is basically a sudden bleed to the brain when it ruptures, yes?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Investigating officers may have concluded suicide, but the coroner did not.

"However, after charges were laid in Bosma&#8217;s murder, the office of the Ontario chief coroner said the investigation into Wayne Millard&#8217;s death was &#8220;still ongoing.&#8221;

&#8220;(It&#8217;s) open and has not yet concluded,&#8221; Cheryl Mahyr, the coroner&#8217;s issues manager, said in May."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...r_lengthy_delay_in_dellen_millard_probes.html

This has been pointed out in the past but you seem to keep forgetting this information.

Maybe because of this....

Originally viewed as a suicide and, although his body was cremated, Wayne&#8217;s death is still &#8220;an ongoing investigation,&#8221; said Dorothy Zwolakowski, a strategic advisor for the Ontario Coroner&#8217;s Office.

She could not say whether the case was reopened because of recent events or had never been closed.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/17/dellen-millard-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-death-was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

Is it normal for LE to close a case if the coroner hasn't?

 

[Carli]

<rsbm>

&#8220;People asked me how he died,&#8221; Millard says. &#8220;I&#8217;d say he died of a sudden bleed in his brain, which is what the coroner told me.&#8221;

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

Mr. Sharif and the Millardair team were told that Wayne had died of a brain aneurysm.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

And remember when I wrote DM had the right to remain silent, but not the capacity? He has such a fast-moving tongue that he can't keep track of all the different tales he has told people.

Yeah, I guess there's a difference, sort of. Maybe DM should have said (if he wanted to accurately cover his murderous tracks, that his father died of a a subarachnoid hemorrhage instead of a sudden bleed to the brain which is the same thing.) Similarly AS could have engaged in a discussion about the Circle of Willis and also reference the subarachnoid hemorrhage as a cause of death.

What are the different tales he told different people again?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Sure, ok, but we don't care about mentally ill persons leading normal and well monitored/medicated lives, we only care about a single crazy act.

Here's are possible Ten Sleuthing Alternative Questions that don't send us off into trying to figure out if eating dog bisquits at the age of 11 or 12 is a pre-determinant for serial murders. Let's limit the examination, for the moment, to the sudden death of WM.

1) Was WM an alcoholic? Is there any confirmation other than a MSM report?
2). Who was present at WM (and DM's) residence on the date of WM's death.
3). Who discovered WM?. Was he actually dead when discovered or did he succumb later? Where exactly did he die and who was present?
4). Who called the ambulance/hospital, whatever.
5). DM told his employees that the Coroner told him his father's death was due to a "brain aneurysm". Accepting, for the moment, that report to be true, does this mean DM never saw his father's dead body with the bullet wound to either the temple or the eye? Who did.
6) If the Coroner didn't report a bullet wound to the eye, where did this report originate?
7) LE report that the weapon used to extinguish the life of WM was a revolver purchased by DM. Was a bullet found in or about or near WM's head? Did this bullet fit the chamber of the illegally obtained revolver. How is it known that the revolver was purchased by DM for his own use? If it was so purchased, what was the purpose?
8) As I recall, in photographs taken through the window by a reporter much later in the piece, there appears to be a shotgun or rifle in the bg. Whose weapon was this? Did this weapon play any part in the sudden death of WM?
9) Was there a delay in the Coroner providing a cause of death as self inflicted to WM's family? Why?
10) I there was no delay in providing this information, was the Coroner incompetent in determining the cause of death as suicide?

Many, many questions. (None of which, by the way, have anything whatsoever to do with frame-ups.) These and many, many more questions before we leap to the conclusion, however seductive, that an impatient pantywaist son couldn't wait to off his dad and steal the family's waning fortunes as predetermined by his willingness to eat dog bisquits to amuse 11 year old schoolmates a decade or so ago. IMO. IMHO. etc.

EMPHATICALLY IMO. IMHO.

7) The gun was alleged to have been sold to DM sometime between June 1, 2012 and July 30, 2012. Because of those dates, I thought it might relate to LB's death. Not sure if it was supposed to have been used in WM's death as well (or instead).

JMO

 

[Tamarind]

With hearty snipping:



I think DM would be right to be distressed at the paper&#8217;s portraits of him as a millionaire to the manor born. His family history suggests a much more humble lifestyle.

In CM&#8217;s obit, WM wrote &#8220;Carl and Dell formed Millard Auto Aero Marine Ltd. in 1946, and over the next 15 years were Canadian distributors for Steelcraft Boats, Beech Aircraft, Fleet Aircraft and Bellanca Aircraft. The office headquarters was the little sunroom at the back of the tiny bungalow at 127 St. Clements Avenue&#8221;.

http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/Deaths.20061125.93074074/BDAStory/BDA/deaths

Tiny? Tiny! CM would have lived at this micro-address at least until WM was 20 and doing a year of college. The faux timber-framed Tudor bungalow is cute as a bug, but hard to imagine as a family home:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.7118...!1e1!3m2!1sepK0R5sYCWXWOCTaLPpmkw!2e0!6m1!1e1

Also from the obit, CM did not have a heck of a lot of education. Grade 8, in fact, like Carli&#8217;s relative http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...na-Noudga-Accessory-3&p=11603270#post11603270 and just like Carli&#8217;s relative, achieving that was a challenge:



The man that reared WM was a real simple guy, but by reports hard and driven. WM was in turn a passive personality to CM&#8217;s dominance, a cheerleader and CM&#8217;s number one fan: he paid $30k to eulogize him in the Globe

https://books.google.ca/books?id=6c...epage&q=obituary carl millard $30,000&f=false



WM&#8217;s career seemed to downtrend. He started at the top, with Air Canada at 25&#8230;but by 37 he was working for a small, financially unstable discount carrier, and by 42 he was back where he started in his 20&#8217;s, working for his father CM again. DM (Sr) died, WM inherited (ABro), and WM immediately made a kid. Within 7 years the family business was in bankruptcy. DM would have been 5, and there is no work history known for WM after that, and WM&#8217;s marriage failed.

DM might have grown up not ever knowing WM as a man with a job.

DM did know WM as a man with a drink, though.

Here IMO we have a long slow trauma unfolding day after day for years. When you counsel an alcoholic, there are two challenges. One is the physical addiction: the hijacked dopamine system of the addict, the state of the user when under the influence, and the drive to use.

The other part is the social/relationship tragedy: drinking takes hours at a time. Sobering up takes hours more. How many missed appointment and events, late meals, and promises broken, when a parent&#8217;s priority is their addiction? ETA: And what of the thinking patterns of the alcoholic, the denial, the blaming, emotional lability? Poor thinking patterns are modeled by the parent for the child.



I invite you to explore Alateen, which is the Alcoholics Anonymous support group for teens of parents who drink.



http://al-anon.org/alateen-for-teens

Aside from what appears to be a very in depth background check on the homes, jobs and assumed lifestyles of the Millards, I can't really figure out the purpose of the post:

many 'seemed' and 'maybe's' occur, an opportunity to try to undermine everything about the family as a whole to assassinating the character and complete life of WM - From the 'tiny' 'micro' 'faux' timber framed home on St Clements Ave, that he grew up in, his simpleness, presumed lack of education and under - achievement, not forgetting his failed marriage, his presumed lack of work, his alcoholism, along with his hijacked dopamine system, his social/relationship tragedy, his presumed missed appointment and events, late meals, and promises broken and last but not least his presumed poor thinking patterns.


This has to be one of the most intense attacks on a victims life that I have seen. Did WM do anything right or good in summary? I am just wondering, as from reports I have read the above post seems rather bias and unfair to say the very least.

 

[Carli]

Investigating officers may have concluded suicide, but the coroner did not.

"However, after charges were laid in Bosma&#8217;s murder, the office of the Ontario chief coroner said the investigation into Wayne Millard&#8217;s death was &#8220;still ongoing.&#8221;

&#8220;(It&#8217;s) open and has not yet concluded,&#8221; Cheryl Mahyr, the coroner&#8217;s issues manager, said in May."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...r_lengthy_delay_in_dellen_millard_probes.html

This has been pointed out in the past but you seem to keep forgetting this information.

Oh yes, and a quick addendum. How is it that the first investigating officers were evidently incompetent in declaring death by suicide while there was still a body available for this conclusion while the second investigating officers were able to overturn this determination long after a body had been cremated and declare that a murder had taken place? Whose determination is correct? If the first analysis is inaccurate, are other findings of these inept individuals also under scrutiny? Does LE routinely find Coroner's reports, or internal reports of their own department, to be insufficient or otherwise lacking? Which other cases are currently under review? None? Some? All? How many murderers are roaming free because of these mistakes? If LE can overturn or reopen Coroner's findings, what is the purpose of the Coroner's department anyway? In the case of the sudden death of WM, if the Coroner's original investigation was discarded as unacceptable and a second analysis by LE's inhouse investigators was requested, who made that request, when and why? Alternatively, if the original investigation of LE personnel was deemed unacceptable and a second inhouse analysis was requested, who made that request, when and why? Are the original LE investigators - those who provided the inaccurate findings -being professionally chastised in any way? On paid or unpaid leave? Enrolled in an appropriate skills upgrade program? Fired?

Just wondering. IMO. MOO.

Concluding, with absolute and demonstrable certainty that a person was shot by an assailant and not by his own suicidal hand is not a minor thing. MOO. IMHO.

Or to put it more simply, somebody got some 'splain' to do.

IMO etc

 

[Carli]

BBM

Just curious...with your acknowledged long standing history with aviation and your a fore mentioned roots in the Ancaster area...Do you have any kind of history or working relationship or kinship of any kind with the Millard family or Millard Air? Not an accusation in any way shape or form..Please don't get your back up.. .AGAIN..NOT ACCUSING Simply an honest question out of shear curiosity given the facts as you have presented to us. I apologize if this has been asked and answered in the past.

Nope. I don't know any of these folks. My familial familiarity with seat-of-your-pants aviation relates to ww1 + ww2 daredevils (including a couple of heros), barnstormers and star chasers, a sprinkling of northern ice pilots and lots of west coast bush pilots. All brilliant and slightly mad individualists in their own right. Don't know this central Canada Millard bunch but CM seems like he was cut from the same cloth. Likewise his son and, arguably his grandson. HTH.