Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[matou]

Susan Clairmont in court today. Can't link, on my phone.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont in court today. Can't link, on my phone.

I'm in court this morning for pretrial motions in Tim #Bosma murder trial. Dellen #Millard & Mark #Smich charged with 1st degree. #HamOnt

https://twitter.com/susanclairmont/status/593747375035961344

 

[SnooperDuper]

Today's trivia, DM's middle name is Evan http://slexy.org/view/s2X6gyMgUT

Interesting that the case is listed for both DM and MS as "R. v MILLARD ET AL" and not "R. v SMICH ET AL"

 

[Kamille]

I guess they've now determined who had the "leadership" role in the crime.

MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Would you have expected LE to announce that statement after DM's arrest when LE knew there was still one other person on the lam, who was seen on surveillance?

Yes I believe it went something like that but they were not only referring to MS, DM was already behind bars so he was no longer a threat/danger to the public either. I assume by the time of MS's arrest, two weeks of investigating, LE felt pretty confident there were only two suspects involved. MOO.

I wonder why, then, at that time, LE announced that they were still looking for a third suspect and encouraging the third person to turn themself in.

“We believe the danger has subsided,” Kinsella said, despite a third suspect still being sought, about whom police say they “encourage that individual to turn himself in.”

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3243537-oakville-man-is-second-suspect-arrested-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-thir/

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Today's trivia, DM's middle name is Evan http://slexy.org/view/s2X6gyMgUT

Interesting that the case is listed for both DM and MS as "R. v MILLARD ET AL" and not "R. v SMICH ET AL"

Umm, because M comes before S? Just as they show it as R. v CALERO ET AL, and R. v JARMAN ET AL, and BROWN ET AL, and DOXTATOR ET AL, etc. etc. etc.

JMO

 

[Juballee]

I wonder what MS's middle name is, did anyone sleuth that yet?

 

[cansleuther]

I wonder what MS's middle name is, did anyone sleuth that yet?

It's Daniel.

Mark Daniel Smich, 25, looked gaunt and agitated when brought into court in leg shackles Thursday morning, where he was formally accused of being the second man involved in the high-profile murder case of Tim Bosma.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/we-will-be-defending-this-case-vigorously-second-accused-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty

 

[Juballee]

Thanks CanSleuther, any more info on MS you can share with us?

Does anyone know if he got any post-secondary education, or if he has had any jobs other than graffiti artist?

 

[swedie]

It's Daniel.



http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/we-will-be-defending-this-case-vigorously-second-accused-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty

You beat me to it cansleuther.
Perhaps irrelevant but I wonder who took the picture of DM and MS and DM's blue Nova?

 

[swedie]

I guess they've now determined who had the "leadership" role in the crime.

MOO

DM does seem to be the "sharper" of the two but that's JMO. That leads me to believe he did the planning and he was the one who had the paraphernalia to carry out the crime. His Yukon for transportation, the secluded bush area on his farmland, his incinerator, his gun, his hangar, his trailer, his mother's driveway to "hide" his trailer in, under the cover of darkness, and a buddy who was willing to go along with a plan of theft.

I just don't see MS planning all this and DM going along with MS's suggestions to use DM's paraphernalia during the crime. MOO.

 

[cansleuther]

Perhaps irrelevant but I wonder who took the picture of DM and MS and DM's blue Nova?

It was taken from AM's FB - so possibly him?

 

[matou]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2h2 hours ago
Here's what I can say about pre-trial motions in the #Bosma murder case today: #Millard lawyer wanted room empty for argument. Motion denied


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 45m45 minutes ago
Just finishing for the day at #Bosma pretrial motions. Sealing/exclusion order requested but not granted. Publication ban in effect.

 

[matou]

At the video link here, CTV shows a specific area in the woods and the camera zooms in. This is from the Ayr property farm, I believe. There is a large tarp on the ground. I don't remember seeing this footage before. Starting @0:29.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=603744&binId=1.1147261&playlistPageNum=1

 

[matou]

Well I wonder what DM's lawyer wanted to say without the public and press present? I wonder if any members here went to the pretrial motions and changed their minds about DM and MS and their roles in what happened? I guess we'll see. JMO

 

[swedie]

Well I wonder what DM's lawyer wanted to say without the public and press present? I wonder if any members here went to the pretrial motions and changed their minds about DM and MS and their roles in what happened? I guess we'll see. JMO

Somehow I'm doubting that Matou. If the facts we have now don't suffice, I would say the bit of information presented today wouldn't likely be convincing either. Remember all evidence has to be presented to get the full case in order to reach a verdict. But what do I know? :dunno: JMO and assumption.

 

[Kamille]

I wonder why, then, at that time, LE announced that they were still looking for a third suspect and encouraging the third person to turn themself in.



http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3243537-oakville-man-is-second-suspect-arrested-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-thir/

JMO

IMO LE believed, at the time, that DM and MS were dropped off at TB's house by at least a third person driving the Yukon. The Yukon was not seen in video surveillance when TB's truck was captured in Brantford. Therefore LE did not believe that the occupant(s) of the Yukon were involved in the murder, just in getting the two suspects to TB's home. Which is why after the second suspect, whom they believed to have been in the truck on the test drive, at that time, was apprehended, they felt the danger to the public, which was the TWO suspects who left with TB on the test drive, had been alleviated.

What I'd like to know is if SB ever said that she saw both DM and MS get into the truck and drive away with TB. Or did she go in the house before they left? Maybe MS never got in the truck and walked back up the driveway to get into the hidden Yukon?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2h2 hours ago
Here's what I can say about pre-trial motions in the #Bosma murder case today: #Millard lawyer wanted room empty for argument. Motion denied


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 45m45 minutes ago
Just finishing for the day at #Bosma pretrial motions. Sealing/exclusion order requested but not granted. Publication ban in effect.

What's with all the secrecy that DM's attorney is requesting? Did he forget trials in this country are public, even if the press is banned from reporting on them? All this required secrecy seems like they've got a lot of stuff they're trying to get thrown out and don't want the public to ever know about. And why isn't MS's attorney worried about that?

MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMO LE believed, at the time, that DM and MS were dropped off at TB's house by at least a third person driving the Yukon. The Yukon was not seen in video surveillance when TB's truck was captured in Brantford. Therefore LE did not believe that the occupant(s) of the Yukon were involved in the murder, just in getting the two suspects to TB's home. Which is why after the second suspect, whom they believed to have been in the truck on the test drive, at that time, was apprehended, they felt the danger to the public, which was the TWO suspects who left with TB on the test drive, had been alleviated.

What I'd like to know is if SB ever said that she saw both DM and MS get into the truck and drive away with TB. Or did she go in the house before they left? Maybe MS never got in the truck and walked back up the driveway to get into the hidden Yukon?

MOO

Yes, that's what I think too. But I was responding to Swedie's post where she said that she assumed that, by the time MS was arrested, "LE felt pretty confident there were only two suspects involved".

She got a quick look at the two visitors as the three men left, just before 9:30 p.m. — her husband dressed in dark blue jeans, work boots and a long-sleeved shirt.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2556873-missing-ancaster-man-told-his-wife-he-would-be-right-back/

The duo met Bosma at his Ancaster home and the three went for a test drive Monday night.

http://www.cp24.com/news/missing-hamilton-man-s-wife-pleads-for-husband-s-safe-return-1.1274436

Mr. Bosma, a 32-year-old father, went missing after taking two men who had arrived at his home in Ancaster, Ont., to test drive his 2007 Dodge Ram pickup truck.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sharlene-bosma-establishes-charity-for-families-of-homicide-victims/article13545420/

The 32-year-old father was killed after going on a test drive with two men on May 6 in a truck he posted for sale online.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/standing-room-only-as-hundreds-gather-to-mourn-murder-victim-tim-bosma

It seems to be one of the things all the media agreed on.

JMO

 

[Kamille]

I don't know. At no point did they say she got a quick look as the three men got into the truck to take a test drive. I guess that's just another thing we'll have to wait for trial to find out. Did MS actually get into the truck and then possibly get let out at the end of the driveway? Or did TB think he was only going on a short drive with one of the two and the other was staying behind to wait for them to return?

MOO