Tim Miller Fires Back at Mark Klaas after last nights Nancy Grace.

[Baznme]

The very thing any parent always worries and teaches their child against.

Someone getting ahold of their child and tricking them into something. How many police videos have been watched in schools, bought for homes, to teach our children about trickery and methods used by people? No, we don't do any and everything it takes to anyone and say it was in the name of some good cause.

No no no. It goes against everything I've taught my children to look for and be aware of. Now you absolutely see what the "true" meaning of "double minded" speaking out of both sides of your mouth looks like in action. No wonder our children are confused. When doing a good cause, it should be "Good". Peace.

Apparantly no one ever explained that to most of the players in this case. When in Rome............well, you know the rest.

 

[Malesherbes]

Wow, what a tasteless, horrible comment.


I just lost a lot of respect for Tim Miller. He, of all people, should know how much that comment hurts. It was a disgusting comment. I've always liked Tim and TES, but I'm starting to doubt my own judgment.

Well, sometimes the truth hurts- why is Klaas certified to comment on John and Kates relationship? Thats what he is doing- how many missing people has he found?

 

[Maven2379]

I hope no one here ever loses a child to an abduction, or under mysterious circumstances. It would be hard to get Mark K off of NG to come search, but I have no doubt in my mind, Tim Miller would be there in a heartbeat. I know which one I would feel more comfortable calling, regardless of their personal feelings for each other.

Thanks is not enough, and I agree completely!

 

[Baznme]

Maybe my biggest issue is with LE, if they set Misty up with a 24/7 amateur undercover "witness" who could only then offer up inadmissible hearsay at a trial. SHEESH. Anything Misty said couldn't be used against her if DB was acting as an agent for LE unless DB managed somehow to tape it all. And that seems unlikely given the road rage incident (that would have made a fine defense exhibit, huh? LE's "undercover agent" chasing some woman down the highway, making obscene gestures, and getting pulled over for road rage.

If this is how LE's whole investigation has been carried out, maybe Misty IS telling the truth. How reliable was the polygrapher and the polygraph? How reliable is the physical evidence LE says contradicts Misty's story? If they need Tim Miller to do their job for them, there's no chance at all of finding Haleigh.

I don't know about that since a lot of the players in the Anthony case are now on the witness list. LP, Tracy, Rob, neighbor across the street, etc., etc., etc. How would they be any different?

 

[Pondering Mind]

IMO~ it's Mark Klaas who should keep his mouth shut. I have respect for both of these men, they both do great things, but Mark Klaas clearly has a chip on his shoulder. MK chose to voice his opinion about Tim Miller on NG, what was Tim supposed to do? AKAIK Tim was in contact with LE, and they seem to not have a problem with what he did, not sure why MK has such an issue with it.

I do/did question TM's judgment with his "undercover mama", however MK went too far in saying that Tim should be arrested. I think MK has clouded judgment here, because of the way his own daughter disappeared, but I don't think LE ever called his story a "farce", "unbelievable", "inconsistent", and I am quite sure he cooperated with LE every step of the way.

JMO

ITA with you Maven and I can't just sit here on my hands. Perhaps TM let his anger get away with him and shouldn't have said what he did, but neither should have MK. They have shared an experience that thankfully very few of us have..they both have had a daughter murdered and believe both have battled their own demons probably in great part because of that. MK didn't have to lash out at TM on national tv, how in the world was that suppose to help anything? Couldn't that have been done in private? Does TM not deserve that much respect from him? AND TM should have never said what he did, it was a low blow...but did anyone think that he could just let what MK said go? Tim DOES get out and search..literally, not sure if MK does or not. Has he been to Satsuma? I'm sure someone else can tell me. I have to imagine what MK said was like a slap in the face to TM, chit I felt the sting right thru the screen! Obviously they are both passionate about the causes they represent and both need to step back and take a deep breath. They are both good men IMO, but I for one ain't puttin neither one up on any pedestal....they are only human ya know, with emotions just like we have seen here.... Somebody (Ron and Misty) needs to start talking...WHERE in the @#$% is HaLeigh ...right or wrong at least Mr. Tim Miller is TRYING to find you Baby Girl...

 

[Adrienne37]

Maybe my biggest issue is with LE, if they set Misty up with a 24/7 amateur undercover "witness" who could only then offer up inadmissible hearsay at a trial. SHEESH. Anything Misty said couldn't be used against her if DB was acting as an agent for LE unless DB managed somehow to tape it all. And that seems unlikely given the road rage incident (that would have made a fine defense exhibit, huh? LE's "undercover agent" chasing some woman down the highway, making obscene gestures, and getting pulled over for road rage.

If this is how LE's whole investigation has been carried out, maybe Misty IS telling the truth. How reliable was the polygrapher and the polygraph? How reliable is the physical evidence LE says contradicts Misty's story? If they need Tim Miller to do their job for them, there's no chance at all of finding Haleigh.

Excellent post!!! All of this new information coming to light certainly makes me wonder about the integrity of both the polygraph and the polygrapher of Misty as well as the voice analysis information if TM arranged for those.

 

[Baznme]

Excellent post!!! All of this new information coming to light certainly makes me wonder about the integrity of both the polygraph and the polygrapher of Misty as well as the voice analysis information if TM arranged for those.

Let's see what Momma Croslin has to say. Maybe then they can compare notes.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Well, I can kind of understand why Mark Klass was upset.It really isn't good professionally to get involved like that and I totally agree most investigations should be left for the police.Someone really can get hurt or it can interfere with the investigation.But I can totally understand Tim Miller and alot of us getting frustrated and thinking something needs to be done.I would have to know if LE really knew about this and if they thought it was ok.I respect both of these men.They have both helped so many people.I pray they can work together for Haleighs sake and not let her down.Them bashing each other and people bashing them is not and will not help find Haleigh.We need people like this to help find Haleigh.Who else is looking for this pretty little girl?I really don't know what to think about all this.I just pray someone finds Haleigh.

bbm~
the way MK slammed TM on Mizz Nancy the other night was very unprofessional IMVHO. As was TM's remark, but when you're punched in the gut sometimes you tend to react without thinking first.

I have a feeling that LE prolly knew 'something' about the Undercover Mama Operation (UMA) and of course didn't condone it, but wasn't unhappy about it either. Tim is a private citizen, so he CAN get away with more than LE. As you said in your post...Who Else Is Looking For HaLeigh? If Ron or Misty can't remember anything else I imagine that LE is at a stalemate. I hope not, but I'm worried that she won't ever be found.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Has Mark even been to Satsuma for a search? :waitasec: I must have missed that story. If he had been on the ground, in the brush, on a horse, etc....I might give little credence to his words spoken from a comfy chair in a television studio.

Given the actual efforts of Tim Miller and TES....Mark's words carry no weight with me....'cause in my world...Actions speak WAY louder than words...IMO...JMO....MOO..etc....

 

[Normcar21]

Wow, what a classy guy. I think TM has done some really good things and I think he has a good heart. But he should just keep his mouth closed. I lose more respect for him every time he speaks. That is a low blow and a very, very tasteless thing to say.

A huge "I agree" to that, you shared that with real Klass :woohoo:

 

[txsvicki]

I've always thought that MK was an angry man and too critical, even of some parents of missing kids. Extremely critical, and wrong at times. Those two really should keep their arguments and remarks between themselves, especially off national tv. No one likes to tune in and witness that sort of thing.

 

[Normcar21]

What is the point in justifying or rocking the boat with either of these individuals. Both of them have an agenda, and the agenda relates to finding and assisting in solving, confronting, seeking, and rescuing. Both individuals are human, sometimes their judgment calls as related to media end up on the bottom of the trash bin. That has nothing to do with their initial and inherent desire and goal to establish a clear defense of children in peril.

It seems extremely petty to me to follow the lead of media in this case, attempting to do a "who is best" thing. BOTH are best, and both have a deep "need" to be as helpful as possible with the plague that infests North America.

IMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Yes, Marc is a tough man and a bit abrasive. But in this case, I think he made a valid point that Miller might poison the well for search groups, including his own, with LE.

 

[Normcar21]

I've always thought that MK was an angry man and too critical, even of some parents of missing kids. Extremely critical, and wrong at times. Those two really should keep their arguments and remarks between themselves, especially off national tv. No one likes to tune in and witness that sort of thing.

Well said, in the human element relative to both of these individuals. I'm sure it is tough for both of them to deal with the onslaught of "media" so I am forgiving in that matter. I'm sure that "both" of them are faced with a whole lot of trouble, demands, and craziness on a daily basis.

I appreciate what both of them are doing and will allow them some space for making a mistake or two with respect to "media" which to me is like a freakin' mosquito that never dies, no matter how much one swats, swats, swats.

Unfortunately, all of us love hating the media, though.:banghead:

 

[Normcar21]

Yes, Marc is a tough man and a bit abrasive. But in this case, I think he made a valid point that Miller might poison the well for search groups, including his own, with LE.

Well, IMO, a "poisoned" search group is better than "no" search group. :twocents:

 

[babycat]

IMO~ it's Mark Klaas who should keep his mouth shut. I have respect for both of these men, they both do great things, but Mark Klaas clearly has a chip on his shoulder. MK chose to voice his opinion about Tim Miller on NG, what was Tim supposed to do? AKAIK Tim was in contact with LE, and they seem to not have a problem with what he did, not sure why MK has such an issue with it.

I do/did question TM's judgment with his "undercover mama", however MK went too far in saying that Tim should be arrested. I think MK has clouded judgment here, because of the way his own daughter disappeared, but I don't think LE ever called his story a "farce", "unbelievable", "inconsistent", and I am quite sure he cooperated with LE every step of the way.

JMO

(Bold mine)

Respond tactfully, and not bring Mark Klaas' dead daughter into this.

It's not rocket science. Tim was WAY out of line.


Even at WS we say "attack the post, not the poster" Well, bringing Mark's daughter into this was off limits.

 

[babycat]

Well, IMO, a "poisoned" search group is better than "no" search group. :twocents:

Not if it means screwing up a case and the victim never receives justice. If evidence is tainted, unreliable, etc.

Just my opinion, and not saying that is necssarily the case here.

 

[robbie11]

Sad, a little girl is missing, gone..... and we bicker about 2 men that do so much to find missing children. All I can say is where's Haleigh?

 

[Muffet]

Not if it means screwing up a case and the victim never receives justice. If evidence is tainted, unreliable, etc.

Just my opinion, and not saying that is necssarily the case here.

If it makes you feel any better, I have seen nothing that would make any evidence gained unreliable, at all. In fact, Tim said they were managing things with LE specifically to make sure it wouldn't.

 

[trigger]

ITA with you Maven and I can't just sit here on my hands. Perhaps TM let his anger get away with him and shouldn't have said what he did, but neither should have MK. They have shared an experience that thankfully very few of us have..they both have had a daughter murdered and believe both have battled their own demons probably in great part because of that. MK didn't have to lash out at TM on national tv, how in the world was that suppose to help anything? Couldn't that have been done in private? Does TM not deserve that much respect from him? AND TM should have never said what he did, it was a low blow...but did anyone think that he could just let what MK said go? Tim DOES get out and search..literally, not sure if MK does or not. Has he been to Satsuma? I'm sure someone else can tell me. I have to imagine what MK said was like a slap in the face to TM, chit I felt the sting right thru the screen! Obviously they are both passionate about the causes they represent and both need to step back and take a deep breath. They are both good men IMO, but I for one ain't puttin neither one up on any pedestal....they are only human ya know, with emotions just like we have seen here.... Somebody (Ron and Misty) needs to start talking...WHERE in the @#$% is HaLeigh ...right or wrong at least Mr. Tim Miller is TRYING to find you Baby Girl...

MK comes across wrong to people. He did it with Ed Smart. He said some outrageous things to the family and was never welcome there again or to comment on the case again. And I agree that TM should have never said that. Please guys stop the bickering and lets bring this little girl home. She needs to be found.