Tim Miller funded Misty's trip to Orlando & also reveals shocking info about Ron.

[LFlorida]

It's one thing for people to organize searches for a missing person. It's another thing to interfere with an on-going police investigation. In this, I agree with Marc Klaas; LE tells FAMILIES not to investigate on their own, for fear of screwing things up. Tim Miller was way out of bounds on this. He knows it too, hence the deflection of attention onto Ron Cummings.

Ahh, and therein lies the rub.

+++++ The FAMILY of Ronald Cummings brought Mr. Miller into this. +++++​

Perhaps The MOTHER of Ronald Cummings encouraged some of this ridiculousness out of Mr. Miller and his group. I seem to recall a message left for Mr. Miller by Ms. Squires-Cummings-Neves that ended with a sweet lil "Love You."

 

[pittsburghgirl]

As I said, it's one thing for a group to organize to conduct searches for a missing person, or for a family to ask a group for that assistance. I doubt that the Cummings family or anyone else had the "road rage incident" and an unauthorized undercover sting in mind. I hadn't known that Miller was invited by the Cummings family to help search for Haleigh. That puts Miller's statement to the blogger in an even less favorable light.

 

[Baznme]

Ahh, and therein lies the rub.

+++++ The FAMILY of Ronald Cummings brought Mr. Miller into this. +++++​

Perhaps The MOTHER of Ronald Cummings encouraged some of this ridiculousness out of Mr. Miller and his group. I seem to recall a message left for Mr. Miller by Ms. Squires-Cummings-Neves that ended with a sweet lil "Love You."

I also seem to remember TN being asked by NG as to who was paying for MC's "vacation". Did she not answer "a friend"? That friend turned out to none other than Mr. Miller. I think it would be safe to say that TN most certainly knew.

 

[Baznme]

It's one thing for people to organize searches for a missing person. It's another thing to interfere with an on-going police investigation. In this, I agree with Marc Klaas; LE tells FAMILIES not to investigate on their own, for fear of screwing things up. Tim Miller was way out of bounds on this. He knows it too, hence the deflection of attention onto Ron Cummings.

deflection of attention onto Ron Cummings?? That part of your statement is totally wrong. Tim doesn't NEED to deflect attention onto RC. Yes, Tim knows he made a mistake but he doesn't need to deflect the attention onto any of these players. They do that well enough all on their own.

Tim is not the one that is under any kind of suspicion in the disappearance of Haleigh. He just happens to be the next scapegoat in line. I don't hear LE jumping up and down about what Tim tried to do. They knew and there was an open line of communication between him and LE throughout the fiasco with Misty and DB. So, how is that "interfering" in LE's investigation? If they had felt that way, they would have told him. They certainly had many opportunities to do so, thanks to Tim.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

deflection of attention onto Ron Cummings?? That part of your statement is totally wrong. Tim doesn't NEED to deflect attention onto RC. Yes, Tim knows he made a mistake but he doesn't need to deflect the attention onto any of these players. They do that well enough all on their own.

Tim is not the one that is under any kind of suspicion in the disappearance of Haleigh. He just happens to be the next scapegoat in line. I don't hear LE jumping up and down about what Tim tried to do. They knew and there was an open line of communication between him and LE throughout the fiasco with Misty and DB. So, how is that "interfering" in LE's investigation? If they had felt that way, they would have told him. They certainly had many opportunities to do so, thanks to Tim.

I certainly did not mean that Tim Miller is a suspect! I meant that like many people, when Miller is doing something foolish, it's easier to say, "Don't look at me; look at that train wreck over there." The "gun" story--which is old news--puts Miller in a better light, someone who wanted to "protect" Misty instead of someone who was setting her up to get information from her. (By "old news" I mean something that didn't happen yesterday, not that we knew it when it happened. In a hole, will stop digging now!) Many people who work with missing children cases are likely to be upset with Miller, as Klaas was on NG. It would be nice to hear what LE has to say about the whole business, but my guess is they are hoping for less soap opera and more substance in the search for Haleigh.

 

[Whisperer]

Jr not being there is not the point. We have an unbalanced person who LOVES guns and lives by the rule of the gun, most likely along the lines of the more I have and the bigger the gun, the badder he is...IMO. This is not the first time we know of RC and his love of his best buddy ( a gun). It makes him think he is powerful. It is a sad situation. DCF will do nothing, that is for sure, even if they know it is true. The gun will not be there and RC will speak out of both sides of his mouth again.

....I have a list of his double speak...have to add the latest comment by him.

 

[Whisperer]

What happened to the story TN told about her boyfriend funding the trip?

Looks to me like TN knows everything that is going on and she is the one doing the deflecting for RC. She she was on TV spouting about Misty's trip with a friend. She knew all along and so did RC who exactly this person was and they were glad she was going too.....all the better for them. Then they could plan their next move.."the divorce".

 

[Whisperer]

This also should prove that TN will lie. She told us M was with a friend who was married to "an independently wealthy man". Prior to that she said M was on a vacation funded by TN's boyfriend.

TN loves the limelight...IMO.

...........at least she stopped the sobbing..

 

[faefrost]

bbm

Either that or LE has messed up and is so desperate at this point that they engaged TM to see if he could help them get through the deadlock by helping out. I hate to even think this, but this whole thing is so bizarre that who knows!?! Good grief!

LE cannot engage TM to do what he did. Misty has lawyered up. No agents of LE official or otherwise may approach her in such a manner. While I think TM's motives and heart were probably in the right place, he showed much poorer judgement then we are used to seeing from him, in getting involved in this mess.

The ldt I have no issues with. After everything with the Anthony's I am sure Misty was raising all sorts of red flags in his and his people minds. Insisting that she take thetest before he would comit further search resources on wild goose chases was probably a wise decision.

But this supposed story of him having to take action to save Misty or she would be dead and noone would no where Hayleigh was??? Bad judgement on so many levels. If or when that conversation with RC went down, TM should have simply gone to LE and politely informed them that "These people are ALL dangerously violently crazy!" "No really every person connected to this case is a fraking whack job!" "Please do something to protect that little boy and keep the principles well seperated and unarmed".

 

[6angels]

:croc:I'll admitt it. I reported my Fears for Jr to DFC. My husband also reported his Fears to them.He also let them know as a Cop he fears the case is not being looked at correctly and above all JR needs to be safe. :blowkiss: My husband by Law has to report neglict or child abuse if he fears it is going on.:cop: It is a Fear of his but he let them know he had no proof and was going by what was being said and read in the news that they would have to make the choice if they think Jr is in harms way. One thing is forsure all the drama that is going on with all that has happened ( Ron fighting bil, Misty and him getting divorced and other things this baby has seen and heard is NOT healthy for him.

WE let them know we had no idea if it was true what is being reported but that they had a duty to investigate it to make sure it did or did not happen. If it did happen Jr needs to be safe and Ron needs to get help for his anger.:twocents:

I would be as angry as Ron :furious: but I would never ever threaten to kill myself and expecially not infront of my child.:gavel: Flame me . yell at me. I don't care I did what I felt needed to be done. I never claimed if I knew it was True and I told them I had not witnessed it. I was truthful with them and by Gosh I hope they do get Ron and Jr help. THEY NEED IT . :angel:

Their lives have been turned up side down and Jr needs counseling to deal with his feelings. YES he is young but I can guarantee you he is one confused little man right now and rightly so. Ron needs help with his anger , Anger he SHOULD have but he needs to be shown how to handle his anger. :grouphug:

The family is in Crisis and someone needs to help them learn to deal with the crisis the state can do this and I hope they do do this. I dont think Ron is a bad daddy to JR I do think his anger is not allowing him to be the best daddy to him as he could be. Both them have been threw hell and needs professional help to get threw it and learn how to reat and deal with it and learn it is OK to have these feelings but not OK to act on them. I also believe Crystal needs counseling and help as well. Only good can come from admiting you need help and then accepting the help. the state can force the parents to get counseling and help so that they can better Jr's life and I hope they do. I wish this family only the best. raying:


JMO of cource


Edited to add. We did not contact the state to hurt this family but because even though I don't know this family I love them and care about them. NO matter the mistakes they have made they are a family in deep depression and hurting right now. I pray for peace for them and I will continue to pray for them every single day. Our God is good and I believe one day our god will bring this baby home to her family.

 

[Donjeta]

JMO. If there is reason for concern about the safety of a child, and it doesn't get reported because of a fear of hurting the family, the family may get hurt much more if anything bad happens to the child. I don't think people who care should have to bear guilt about it.

There are a couple of people about whom I maybe should have reported a concern but I didn't, (because I wasn't sure, what if it's an unfounded concern, what if I'm all wrong, etc...) and I still wonder about what became of those children, after many years. I hope they didn't get hurt because I did nothing.

 

[nnglas]

I wonder if he is implying the police were co-operating with this crazy scheme? If so, what is anyone thinking? It seems absurd. Donna is driving like a mad woman on the road, removed from the car at gunpoint. Who knows what else went on with those two.
I'll believe police co-operation when I hear it from the horses mouth. And if they did, they need new cops to look at this case.

Therein lies a problem. If LE was aware of and receiving steady information from TM and DB, and they knew beforehand about this scheme, then I have to rethink my opinion on what possibly happened to Haleigh. If all of the above are true, then LE couldn't prossibly think that she is the one to do anything to Haleigh. Misty had a lawyer at the time and if she had implicated herself in any way to TM and DB any good defense atty could get any evidence found based on any of this information thrown right out of court. Including information in finding Haleigh.

If LE had this much to do with it, such behavior is illegal. Against her constitutional rights to incriminate herself. By pulling this stunt TM and DB seem to be acting like they are agents of the police. I don't care what Renee Blackwell or whatever her name is on NG says.

This tells me 2 things. One, LE is incredibly inept and aren't consulting with DA's and so forth, or Two, LE doesn't think that MC did whatever has been done to Haleigh. I suspect it is the latter.

Not judging what TM and DB did. Just thinking about what it means if LE cooperated.

 

[Baznme]

I certainly did not mean that Tim Miller is a suspect! I meant that like many people, when Miller is doing something foolish, it's easier to say, "Don't look at me; look at that train wreck over there." The "gun" story--which is old news--puts Miller in a better light, someone who wanted to "protect" Misty instead of someone who was setting her up to get information from her. (By "old news" I mean something that didn't happen yesterday, not that we knew it when it happened. In a hole, will stop digging now!) Many people who work with missing children cases are likely to be upset with Miller, as Klaas was on NG. It would be nice to hear what LE has to say about the whole business, but my guess is they are hoping for less soap opera and more substance in the search for Haleigh.

Please understand that I have worked with TM on occasion. I do know that he is brutally honest and would not want to see any harm come to anyone. That would contradict everything he and his beloved TES stands for. If the "gun story" was brutally honest, and we really do not know when it was "reported" to the proper authorities, I have cause to believe it was done properly, but that's just me. What the parties chose to do with the info, which it seems was "nothing", is not within TM's control. Thus, my reaction to the allegations that TM "deflected" the attention to RC. Since the "gun-story" was about RC and the gun, that's precisely where the attention should have been focused, not on the fact that TM divulged the info. There have been so many distractions to this case, that each time one more person or one more issue comes up, it's like another tree popping up in the forest. There are so many trees we can't see the forest anymore. In all this mess, the largest and most important question continues to lurk........Where's Haleigh? It's a pathetic situation.

As far as Klass goes, he has continued to criticize Tim's organization well in advance of this case. You've NEVER heard Tim criticize Mark. What a great thing it would be if Mark could just stop with his attitude or at least have all his facts before he does criticize. If there were a way they could work together, what a resource that would be!

 

[Baznme]

Therein lies a problem. If LE was aware of and receiving steady information from TM and DB, and they knew beforehand about this scheme, then I have to rethink my opinion on what possibly happened to Haleigh. If all of the above are true, then LE couldn't prossibly think that she is the one to do anything to Haleigh. Misty had a lawyer at the time and if she had implicated herself in any way to TM and DB any good defense atty could get any evidence found based on any of this information thrown right out of court. Including information in finding Haleigh.

If LE had this much to do with it, such behavior is illegal. Against her constitutional rights to incriminate herself. By pulling this stunt TM and DB seem to be acting like they are agents of the police. I don't care what Renee Blackwell or whatever her name is on NG says.

This tells me 2 things. One, LE is incredibly inept and aren't consulting with DA's and so forth, or Two, LE doesn't think that MC did whatever has been done to Haleigh. I suspect it is the latter.

Not judging what TM and DB did. Just thinking about what it means if LE cooperated.

I don't know that "cooperated" is the proper word. They were informed. It's no different than someone calling in a "tip".

 

[curvecuti]

I don't know that "cooperated" is the proper word. They were informed. It's no different than someone calling in a "tip".

I think it's alot different than calling in a tip. Setting someone up, pretending to be concerned about her, to elicit information, that is alot more involved than a tip. IMO.
With friends like TM you don't need enemies.

 

[Baznme]

I think it's alot different than calling in a tip. Setting someone up, pretending to be concerned about her, to elicit information, that is alot more involved than a tip. IMO.
With friends like TM you don't need enemies.

"pretending to be concerned about her"? I think not. To elicit information? Isn't that we're all trying to do? If you did find something out, would you not call it in as a tip?

"With friends like TM, you don't need enemies". That's not a fair statement and until all the facts come out, it would be wise to remember this is about Haleigh and this is about MC being the last person to see her and most likely with more information. Not TM.

 

[curvecuti]

"pretending to be concerned about her"? I think not. To elicit information? Isn't that we're all trying to do? If you did find something out, would you not call it in as a tip?

"With friends like TM, you don't need enemies". That's not a fair statement and until all the facts come out, it would be wise to remember this is about Haleigh and this is about MC being the last person to see her and most likely with more information. Not TM.

So you think Donna was actually Misty's friend? Then why did TM send her to befriend Misty? That makes no sense, if you are someone's friend no one has to tell you to be their friend. I think they have admitted that they wanted to pump MC for information, I don't consider myself trying to set someone up to find out what they may or may not know, I don't know what anyone else is doing here. Of course if I knew something about the whereabouts of Haleigh I would call LE, and I hope anyone here would do the same. As far as my statement about Tim, IMO. And I still feel that way. And honestly, I think it would be wise to remember, we all want to find Haleigh, but I also want any evidence that is found to admissable in court so the perp can be fully prosecuted.

 

[Baznme]

So you think Donna was actually Misty's friend? Then why did TM send her to befriend Misty? That makes no sense, if you are someone's friend no one has to tell you to be their friend. I think they have admitted that they wanted to pump MC for information, I don't consider myself trying to set someone up to find out what they may or may not know, I don't know what anyone else is doing here. Of course if I knew something about the whereabouts of Haleigh I would call LE, and I hope anyone here would do the same. As far as my statement about Tim, IMO. And I still feel that way. And honestly, I think it would be wise to remember, we all want to find Haleigh, but I also want any evidence that is found to admissable in court so the perp can be fully prosecuted.

You're "assuming" TM sent her to befriend Misty". DB befriended MC all on her own when they were giving Misty the tests. TM had nothing to do with that part of it. As for the rest of it, I believe TM wishes he had done things differently now. He makes mistakes and I know he would be willing to say so.

On your last statement, I absolutely agree with you.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I saw Art's article that Tim paid for all of this out of donations, NOT his own pocket. I am really disappointed jmo

 

[curvecuti]

“It was Misty who warmed up to Donna and started calling her to ask her to take Misty to the mall and do other girl things,” Miller told me. “Donna called me and said, ‘What do I do,’ so I said, ‘Play along and see what you can find out.’

He admits he told DB to "play along", so I don't think I am "assuming" anything.