Tim Miller funded Misty's trip to Orlando & also reveals shocking info about Ron.

[passionflower]

IMO, I feel Misty will come to an accidental death.......overdose?
RC will be cleared...........
I always thought she knows to much and RC will have her shut up.
MOO

 

[KOOL LOOK]

IMO, I feel Misty will come to an accidental death.......overdose?
MOO

snipped quote and bbm above:
Nooo. I prayfully rebuke such an accident before it could happen.

 

[faefrost]

IMO, drug use is drug use. Male, female, pregnant or sitting at the same table WITH that pregnant woman - of which you are the father to the unborn baby and and participating. Does it not equate to handing her keys to drive a vehicle while disgustingly drunk! Same thing. Since alcohol is a drug in a different form, nonetheless, a drug, I'm using that to make the analogy. Just because he isn't carrying the baby doesn't make him any less responsible for the welfare of that child. As I said, it was in the house and he brought it in there. So, neither one is innocent in that situation.

From what I understand, RC was still paying fines related to drug charges when he GOT custody of the kids.

The non-support I do take issue to but there are extenuating circumstances that got CS in that position that I also take acception to. So, to a point, I agree with you on that & yet I understand her position of which I won't go into at this point. Apparantly, the courts nor Ron minded all that much that the support was adding up because CS still had the visitations every other weekend in tact.

I guess I don't understand why CS is being picked apart in these threads. It's not her credibility that is in question here and to say that she doesn't care about her own kids is a fallacy. Your kids are your kids no matter what.

Now lets all be fair here. There is plenty of demonizing available to go around on any and all parties involved in this case. Deservedly so. Neither Ron nor Crystals sins and flaws in any way excuse or evelate the behavior of the other. There are no sides to take, besides poor Haylieghs. The child was unbelievably poorly served by pretty much every single person of authority or age in her life, bar none. This child would have recieved a better upbringing and had a greater chance in life if she had been raised by the Taliban in a cave in Afghanistan. Every single person in this case, Ron, Misty, Crystal, Grandma's, other extended relatives. Every one of them failed these children and propogated a horrible environment for them filled with drugs, partying, seedy characters, and questionable activities. Every one of them.

I can't believe that anyone around here is even arguing points between Crystal and Ron. Noone who has been following this case at all would trust either to so much as watch their cat or cocker spaniel for the weekend, let alone let them near children.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Boy am I glad you asked that. I am not saying that Ron killed Hayleigh. But I am suspicious of him. IIRC it was verified that Hayleigh was with Ron and Misty before he went to work and that at some point she was seen by Ron's mother. Right? IOW I question whether she was alive when Ron went to work.

I don't have anything to base it on except a couple of interviews that were done with Ron, he wouldn't look at the camera, he seemed a little reluctant to talk once he got on camera. His whole affect on camera just seemed off. But that could have been just exhaustion or shock I told myself. But then the whole "marriage" struck me as odd. Misty failed a lie detector test, and he marrys her? The last person allegedly seen with his missing child? He says it was what Hayleigh wanted, but he didn't want to wait until she was there to be in the wedding? This whole marriage thing just bugs me. It doesn't help that they may have thought that a spouse couldn't testify against a spouse. (But of course they can, if they wish to. And they weren't married at the time that Hayleigh disappeared, so spousal privelege doesn't exist.)

My theory is that something bad happened before Ron went to work. They disposed of her body. Ron goes to work, his mom comes over to 'verify' that Hayleigh was alive after he went to work. The story was put to Misty to tell LE when they called and reported Hayleigh missing. But Misty couldn't keep the story straight. And Misty failed the lie detector. Because she did lie, she knew what happened. So LE doesn't believe the story they were given, but Ron is in the clear, because his mom says she saw Hayleigh. Misty is starting to feel like she is being set up for the fall. And she can't say anything without getting into trouble herself. Because she lied to LE, she may have helped get rid of her body. And she has been determined to be a suspect. She is probably afraid that Ron will put the blame for Hayleigh's death on her.

I could be wrong. But I just can't see a man marrying the person who was suspected of harming his daughter, while the daughter is still being searched for.

I can easily believe that he loved Hayleigh. But people have been known to kill the people they love. And he may be/probably is grieving. People often do grieve their loved ones, even if they were involved in their deaths. IF he did it, I believe it was probably one of those anger flashes where he lashed out. It wouldn't have been planned or intended.

We may not understand the marriage but people get married all of the time for reasons that only they can explain. Ron doesn't owe us an explaination. I don't put much store into the fact that he didn't look at the camera. If you are not used to standing and looking into a camera and talking it can be very unnerving. His daughter was missing and who knows what he was thinking or feeling or how he felt in front of the camera. I have never had a problem talking to people but stick a camera in my face and I go blank and want to look anywhere but there. I did a lot of interviews when my daughter was murdered and it never got easier. Ron was in front of the cameras a lot and even if it made him uncomfortable he still did it in order to keep Haleighs name and picture of there.

There were people who saw Haleigh at home after Ron went to work. LE have cleared Ron...HE IS NOT A SUSPECT. Why insist on making him one when LE are trained to ask the right questions...talk to others to get info, etc, etc, etc. I can't help but think how awful it would be to be blamed for murdering my daughter when I didn't do it. Especially when I have been cleared by LE.
I don't think LE even think Misty killed her. They think she knows something that she isn't telling.

I remember Ron saying that this could happen to anyone anywhere. Just because you are the last person to see a child and were watching her doesn't mean you murdered her. He's right. I could name dozens of parents who were the last ones to see their child alive but they didn't commit the murder. Mark Glaas said that his ex-wife was sleeping in the bedroom right next door to Polly's room. She didn't hear anything. Same with Mark Lunsfords parents. Of course people chose to blame Mark L and his parents for Jessica's disappearance. They were more like Ron C. in being redneck folks and a little rough around the edges. Believe it or not it makes a difference in how people think of them. It's really a shame.

 

[Baznme]

Now lets all be fair here. There is plenty of demonizing available to go around on any and all parties involved in this case. Deservedly so. Neither Ron nor Crystals sins and flaws in any way excuse or evelate the behavior of the other. There are no sides to take, besides poor Haylieghs. The child was unbelievably poorly served by pretty much every single person of authority or age in her life, bar none. This child would have recieved a better upbringing and had a greater chance in life if she had been raised by the Taliban in a cave in Afghanistan. Every single person in this case, Ron, Misty, Crystal, Grandma's, other extended relatives. Every one of them failed these children and propogated a horrible environment for them filled with drugs, partying, seedy characters, and questionable activities. Every one of them.

I can't believe that anyone around here is even arguing points between Crystal and Ron. Noone who has been following this case at all would trust either to so much as watch their cat or cocker spaniel for the weekend, let alone let them near children.

I attempted to point out that the mother is not the monster in this whole debacle as some posters seem to think. There is plenty of blame to go around. I agree. The pity of it all is the quest to find out what happened to Haleigh gets lost in the shuffle with all the garbage details that I don't see as constructive at all. Taking sides was not my intention in my previous post. Quite the contrary, but I must have failed to make that point. Your words said it much better than I did.

 

[azwriter]

We may not understand the marriage but people get married all of the time for reasons that only they can explain. Ron doesn't owe us an explaination. I don't put much store into the fact that he didn't look at the camera. If you are not used to standing and looking into a camera and talking it can be very unnerving. His daughter was missing and who knows what he was thinking or feeling or how he felt in front of the camera. I have never had a problem talking to people but stick a camera in my face and I go blank and want to look anywhere but there. I did a lot of interviews when my daughter was murdered and it never got easier. Ron was in front of the cameras a lot and even if it made him uncomfortable he still did it in order to keep Haleighs name and picture of there.

There were people who saw Haleigh at home after Ron went to work. LE have cleared Ron...HE IS NOT A SUSPECT. Why insist on making him one when LE are trained to ask the right questions...talk to others to get info, etc, etc, etc. I can't help but think how awful it would be to be blamed for murdering my daughter when I didn't do it. Especially when I have been cleared by LE.
I don't think LE even think Misty killed her. They think she knows something that she isn't telling.

I remember Ron saying that this could happen to anyone anywhere. Just because you are the last person to see a child and were watching her doesn't mean you murdered her. He's right. I could name dozens of parents who were the last ones to see their child alive but they didn't commit the murder. Mark Glaas said that his ex-wife was sleeping in the bedroom right next door to Polly's room. She didn't hear anything. Same with Mark Lunsfords parents. Of course people chose to blame Mark L and his parents for Jessica's disappearance. They were more like Ron C. in being redneck folks and a little rough around the edges. Believe it or not it makes a difference in how people think of them. It's really a shame.

BBM - Interesting Bobbi that you mention how Ron could be uncomfortable looking into the camera. But if I remember correctly, it's what he demanded Misty do doing an interview on ( I think it was ) Greta's show.
I too am getting a bit tired of the posts here that build up one parent and tear down another. Personally, I wouldn't throw rose petals at the feet of either when it comes to parenting skills.
The only thing I know for sure is that Haleigh went missing when she was in Ron's charge not Crystals.
Hope you're in a safe, warm place tonight, Haleigh.

 

[mysticrose]

WHEN are these "searches" going to occur? It's been months! Time is of the essence here!

Well I don't know for certain ? Do we know if there hasn't been any ?
I seem to recall just reading an article about something like 4000 acres have been searched for Haleigh so far. Do we know if the money is going to LE to help ?
Perhaps they are waiting on Tim M. to come in and search for her.
I really wish people would take the time to actually look into before posting like it is not happening.
May I ask why it is that people seem to think that Crystal is just raking in the bucks ?

************************************************************
The search for Haleigh Cummings
Last Update: 10/30 10:48 am

Search crews went through four thousand acres of thick North Florida country side searching for Haleigh, and there are thousands of acres left to be searched. These acres become just a spot from the sky, but people believe that spot may hold the answers to find Haleigh

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-Haleigh-Cummings/DBnR5p00YEyVxwGMBu1lIg.cspx

 

[mysticrose]

Threw his children to the wolves? He loved, fed, clothed, raised these children, w/ NO SUPPORT from the mother. She committed the crime of NON-support. I can not imagine not supporting my children! And CS used cocaine while pregnant, any drug charge RC ever had pales in comparision to that. IMO. It's glaringly obvious to me that CS could care less abut those kids and I can not understand anyone who seems to uphold and revere her. You don't have to commit a crime to hurt your kids, neglect is enough. MOO.

BBM..
This seems to be way off topic here, So if you would please in Crystal's thread post a link that shows this statement bolded above, it will be much appreciated and anticipated.

 

[faefrost]

We may not understand the marriage but people get married all of the time for reasons that only they can explain. Ron doesn't owe us an explaination. I don't put much store into the fact that he didn't look at the camera. If you are not used to standing and looking into a camera and talking it can be very unnerving. His daughter was missing and who knows what he was thinking or feeling or how he felt in front of the camera. I have never had a problem talking to people but stick a camera in my face and I go blank and want to look anywhere but there. I did a lot of interviews when my daughter was murdered and it never got easier. Ron was in front of the cameras a lot and even if it made him uncomfortable he still did it in order to keep Haleighs name and picture of there.

There were people who saw Haleigh at home after Ron went to work. LE have cleared Ron...HE IS NOT A SUSPECT. Why insist on making him one when LE are trained to ask the right questions...talk to others to get info, etc, etc, etc. I can't help but think how awful it would be to be blamed for murdering my daughter when I didn't do it. Especially when I have been cleared by LE.
I don't think LE even think Misty killed her. They think she knows something that she isn't telling.

I remember Ron saying that this could happen to anyone anywhere. Just because you are the last person to see a child and were watching her doesn't mean you murdered her. He's right. I could name dozens of parents who were the last ones to see their child alive but they didn't commit the murder. Mark Glaas said that his ex-wife was sleeping in the bedroom right next door to Polly's room. She didn't hear anything. Same with Mark Lunsfords parents. Of course people chose to blame Mark L and his parents for Jessica's disappearance. They were more like Ron C. in being redneck folks and a little rough around the edges. Believe it or not it makes a difference in how people think of them. It's really a shame.

I can't speak for the Klaas case I don't remember the details well enough. I do however remember Mark Lundsford when Jessica was taken. It is worth reviewing his reactions and his level of cooperation with LE, to truly understand how it was the polar opposite of what we have seen from the last person known to have seen Hayleigh.

 

[DotsEyes]

I wish that the "searchers" would stick to searching and leave the investigation to the investigators.

 

[Whisperer]

WHEN are these "searches" going to occur? It's been months! Time is of the essence here!

I think they may start when Misty or RC can tell them where to look. If Haleigh wasn't encased in something, there is nothing to find with the exception of clothing but no one seems to be able to even state what she was wearing when last seen.

If no one has given LE any description of clothing, I am sorry to say but there is nothing left to find. They are waiting for a confession...


.....Time is of the essence?...that train left the station long ago.

 

[DotsEyes]

Think about it. Why would Misty identify clothes that would be so easily found in the house? The tan shorts, Haleigh took her shorts off all the time and the tan ones were found right next to her bed. The pink shirt in the dirty laundry pile. Let's see, remove dead child from house, but remove her clothes and keep them in the house because . . . .


I am not understanding this theory that Misty tried to deceive LE about what Haleigh was wearing. What could possibly be the point if she knew she took the clothes off of the child and hid them IN the freaking house? Furthermore, she put Haleigh to bed with these clothes on and it would be the last thing she knew, so this is what she would first say. Then the shorts are noticed, so the clothing changes on the BOLO. I don't see why this is such a big "inconsistency" or all that important really.

The word "numercial" confused her. Had the operator asked for her street address number, she would have been able to answer without stumbling around. "What's the numerical?" was not in her range of language.

And in the South, when we say we "passed by" someone's house, that means we stopped there - not that we drove by and waved. If we drive by and wave, we say "we passed in front of the house". Just explaining GGS' use of the wording.

 

[Whisperer]

We do not know the pink shirt was found in the laundry....that tidbit came from Misty.

We also don't know if Misty ever put Haleight to bed at all. That is where the deceit may come in...IMO. ...Frankly, it doesn't sound like she did put her to bed. I don't think she would have said P.J's if she knew she wasn't wearing them. She said p.j's to convince others that she really put her to bed and to indicate "Sleeping", IMO, and, what else would she be wearing if she were sleeiping (according to Misty's thinking)? For some reason, she changed the PJ story....I would like to know why.

...Misty lies. LE could have found that shirt elsewhere...we just don't know.

...I agree that the word "numerical" confused Misty. It was an odd phrasing..at least for me. I would have said, "What is the address?".

It seems to me that Haleigh went missing in her school clothes. That Hanna Montana shirt may have been changed before school IF RC is telling the truth about Haleigh spilling liquid on herself and him changing her and driving her to school. Man, that day seemed extremel frantic from start to finish.

I was not aware that the tan shorts were found next to Haleigh's bed. If true, interesting. My theory will change if this is the case.

 

[cajun]

Threw his children to the wolves? He loved, fed, clothed, raised these children, w/ NO SUPPORT from the mother. She committed the crime of NON-support. I can not imagine not supporting my children! And CS used cocaine while pregnant, any drug charge RC ever had pales in comparision to that. IMO. It's glaringly obvious to me that CS could care less abut those kids and I can not understand anyone who seems to uphold and revere her. You don't have to commit a crime to hurt your kids, neglect is enough. MOO.

:thumb:

 

[Whisperer]

I also think sleeping with minors and moving them in your house and letting them watch your child and she disappears ranks right up there and indeed trumps any cocaine that Crystal did 6/7 yrs. ago.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I also think sleeping with minors and moving them in your house and letting them watch your child and she disappears ranks right up there and indeed trumps any cocaine that Crystal did 6/7 yrs. ago.

Not to mention the minor detail that while he was convincing a judge CS "might" be doing drugs he knew he was at that very moment in time still paying fines, recent drug fines, which were not paid off when he incurred still MORE!!

And let's not forget either that it was CS who stopped doing drugs after learning she was pregnant but got knocked upside her head by Ron for suggesting he might wanna leave those alone too...

You're right whisp, there's no comparison between their respective records but the only thing LE's interested in is WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKIN OUT FOR THESE KIDS WHEN HALEIGH DISAPPEARED. JMO

arrot:

 

[MADJGNLAW]

It was a unique search operation for Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, who seems to have a sixth sense – and a track record few can challenge, cracking unsolved mysteries by making people talk, finding the missing and the dead, offering expertise and equipment to police –and hope and closure to grieving families.

But in the search for Haleigh Cummings, he’s found his toughest challenge yet.

Instead of scanning ocean bottoms or busting through bedrock, he’d hoped to chisel away at the hardened heart of a tortured teenager, a child bride of 17 who police still believe holds the key to a missing five year old she reported missing eight months ago, while babysitting in Satsuma, Florida.

Call it “Operation Misty,” with one of Miller’s volunteers playing Misty Cummings’ undercover Mama, to keep her safe and glean information that he hoped might be useful to the Haleigh task force, The Bald Truth has learned.

In an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth Monday, Miller confirmed he secretly funded Misty Cummings’ mystery road trip to Daytona, Cocoa Beach, and Orlando, including a visit to Universal, after after she flunked a lie detector — because he feared her life was in danger. “If she died, we’d never find Haleigh,” he said.

Only last week’s road rage incident, when police pulled Misty over with driver and new best “friend” Donna Brock, blew his cover. Courtney Ballinger told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office that a driver and passenger of a blue Dodge Caliber kept gesturing and making threats as they were driving near her on Interstate 4. No one was charged or arrested, but Brock was identified as a Miller volunteer, outted by a Florida radio station.

The information, that her pal, Donna, was in effect a spy, albeit for a good cause, reached Misty after the CBS Early Show flew the women to New York for Misty’s two part interview last week. “She was sitting there and got a text from Ronald, telling her what happened,” says Miller. “Let’s just say she wasn’t too happy.”

Brock is a long time Texas Equusearch volunteer; she’s worked on searches in North Carolina and in the Caylee Anthony case, lives parttime in Florida and, Miller tells me, offered to befriend Misty with a two-pronged goal: to glean information Misty confided that Miller would feed Putnam County Sheriff’s investigators, and to put some distance between her and husband Ronald Cummings.

“I was afraid Ronald Cummings might carry out his threat to ‘blow her teeth through the back of her head’ if it turned out she had anything to do with his missing daughter, then kill himself,” Miller told The Bald Truth.


TONS MORE OF THIS ARTICLE HERE: http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/#more-3224

Just wondering what the update was on the New DCF investigation and TES returning to search for Haleigh. Did they give up? I know they have an office in Orlando, has anyone heard anything? TIA

Rumors of Dad and His Guns Spark Investigation - investigation was opened by DCF
Posted on October 14th, 2009 "Snip" from TJ Hart
Sources close to the investigation tell 97.3 The Sky that DCF got that report Tuesday night and that the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office received information from the agency Wednesday morning.

Our source also says the sheriff’s office did have a deputy go to the house with a DCF worker, although PCSO didn’t write a report. They are being kept in the loop should something criminal evolve from the DCF investigation.

TJ Hart http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php

TM said it may be another six weeks to two months before his volunteers will scour the area once more for Haleigh.
"snip" Amy L. Edwards Sentinel Staff Writer
August 17, 2009

Miller said the search may also be expanded.

"We want to do everything we can do to make sure that they do not go through the next birthday without having Haleigh back home safely, or without having the remains and having that funeral," he said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-b...,6353651.story

Video New Search For Haleigh Announced http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20431319/index.html

 

[MADJGNLAW]

OK, I guess I answered my own question. TM is not coming back to search for Haleigh. However, I am confused as to why? Has he not searched for many that are believed to be dead? Why is he refusing to search for Haleigh? What could of happened that TM has found it easier to walk away from trying to help located this precious child? I am so disappointed!

:banghead:NANCY GRACE

Aired October 26, 2009
"Snip" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/26/ng.01.html

GRACE:

Bombshell tonight. According to sources inside the search and investigation, little Haleigh is dead. Search teams pack up and leave town, convinced Haleigh is no longer alive. Tonight, as insiders announce Haleigh is dead.
GRACE: To Art Harris, investigative journalist at Artharris.com. Art, people inside the search now saying they`re packing up and leaving town. They`ve left.

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, ARTHARRIS.COM: Right, Nancy, I talked to.

GRACE: They say Haleigh is dead. Why?

HARRIS: I talked to Tim Miller a little while ago. He believes that Haleigh is dead. Not so much for the evidence that he has but for the lack of it. He is the one who set up the polygraph. Nothing she has said has helped investigators at all. So many inconsistencies.

And nothing solid has led anybody to believe that she is alive. They can`t prove she`s alive. They`ve traced down, tracked down leads, about possible sightings, about one side of the family or the other.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tim Miller says his group focuses on children who still have a chance to be alive, and that does not include little Haleigh Cummings. The family disagrees, maintaining their hope that Haleigh is still alive, being held against her will.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. Well, that`s Tim Miller. He`s the founder of Texas EquuSearch. He is saying that after being with Misty Croslin during that polygraph that he set up, after that layered voice analysis, he says that she keeps insisting that Haleigh is alive, which makes him think that Haleigh is actually dead and they`re not going to find her.

GRACE: To Marlaina Schiavo, when she says that on the lie detector, that the child is alive, was that proven to be a lie?

SCHIAVO: According to Tim and his polygrapher, yes. I mean, they said that it was full of deceit, all of the answers that she was giving. But at the same time, Nancy, we have to keep in mind that as much as Tim Miller doesn`t have any evidence that she`s still alive, he hasn`t really given us much evidence that she is dead.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/26/ng.01.html

 

[debs]

Where would you suggest he look?

 

[Emeralgem]

OK, I guess I answered my own question. TM is not coming back to search for Haleigh. However, I am confused as to why? Has he not searched for many that are believed to be dead? Why is he refusing to search for Haleigh? What could of happened that TM has found it easier to walk away from trying to help located this precious child? I am so disappointed!

One can ONLY imagine...JMO