Tim Miller: Possible Lawsuit against Casey

Let's say Tim did take the jar. He's spending over $100,000 so the donations SHOULD go to him anyway. It's like accusing someone of stealing their own stuff. It's just so weird.

Before I say this. I want everyone to know this is only a theory. I have no real evidence to prove this, but I think CA wanted him out there looking. I think CA wanted him out there looking because she knew that's where Caylee was buried and she wanted to be able to say that area was searched by TES and nothing was found. Then she could send someone out later on to find the bag and make it disappear. Tim's refusal to search that one area screwed up her game and it made her livid. The one place she WANTED, IMO, searched was where Caylee's body was. She was probably sure that they couldn't find it under that much water, and then wouldn't come back after the water receded.


My theory and OPINION ONLY is that when CFCA came home after being bailed out by LP (I think it was) she went in to take a shower and CA went in there with her. I think she told CA everything and that's when CA started her big time cover up and I think she is the one who sent DC there to retrieve Caylee's remain's and I think Baez was in on it too.
 
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My theory and OPINION ONLY is that when CFCA came home after being bailed out by LP (I think it was) she went in to take a shower and CA went in there with her. I think she told CA everything and that's when CA started her big time cover up and I think she is the one who sent DC there to retrieve Caylee's remain's and I think Baez was in on it too.

That's very close to what I think too. I just don't have it nailed to one specific event yet, but I like that theory.
 
Let's say Tim did take the jar. He's spending over $100,000 so the donations SHOULD go to him anyway. It's like accusing someone of stealing their own stuff. It's just so weird.
Before I say this. I want everyone to know this is only a theory. I have no real evidence to prove this, but I think CA wanted him out there looking. I think CA wanted him out there looking because she knew that's where Caylee was buried and she wanted to be able to say that area was searched by TES and nothing was found. Then she could send someone out later on to find the bag and make it disappear. Tim's refusal to search that one area screwed up her game and it made her livid. The one place she WANTED, IMO, searched was where Caylee's body was. She was probably sure that they couldn't find it under that much water, and then wouldn't come back after the water receded.
BBM.

Exactly! I sort of said the same thing before I went and edited one of my earlier posts on this issue. It just would not matter if he did take some money-as CA said-hard to understand some of the video because of the sound, but it sounded like she did say something about his donation jar for Caylee, it's those darn words she uses. (Twisty, Turvy-Gives us Scurvy)

:maddening:

I also seem to remember that it was either TM or maybe it was GA who supposedly got caught taking some donation money and going in for a beer and some food-Is it true? Well, I do not believe CA's bigger than life story. I don't know, nor do I care if someone took a bit of it if that happened at all, because people worked hard, they needed to eat and nobody who originally requested him to come and help thought to even provide a nice spread, even of hot dogs and burgers for the tired, working crew of volunteers-only water that was actually donated by someone else.

Your theory might not be as far off as you might think. Yes, it sure does seem all pointers, utterances were laying the path to where Caylee was eventually located. Yes, even the 'reverse psychology' of saying 'not in the woods', 'feel she's close to home'-it's like waving a huge red flag to say look, it could be right in this area, but then to throw more caution to the wind, she went on and on about Puerto Rico and all these other so-called tips, until 'the woods' came back into the picture again-enter DC.:waitasec:
 
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My theory and OPINION ONLY is that when CFCA came home after being bailed out by LP (I think it was) she went in to take a shower and CA went in there with her. I think she told CA everything and that's when CA started her big time cover up and I think she is the one who sent DC there to retrieve Caylee's remain's and I think Baez was in on it too.

I like your theory, makes sense.
 
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My theory and OPINION ONLY is that when CFCA came home after being bailed out by LP (I think it was) she went in to take a shower and CA went in there with her. I think she told CA everything and that's when CA started her big time cover up and I think she is the one who sent DC there to retrieve Caylee's remain's and I think Baez was in on it too.

Well, Caylee was just a 'shell' wasn't she? :banghead::banghead: Cindy has never acted like any grieving grandmother I have ever known except when she was acting it up on the stand, which, me being an emotionally charged dummy, fell for. I've always believed she knew more than she let on. IMHO
 
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My theory and OPINION ONLY is that when CFCA came home after being bailed out by LP (I think it was) she went in to take a shower and CA went in there with her. I think she told CA everything and that's when CA started her big time cover up and I think she is the one who sent DC there to retrieve Caylee's remain's and I think Baez was in on it too.

Not much good I can say about anything or any way Cindy Anthony handled herself after Caylee was missing - but I do not agree that FCA told Cindy anything at all about how and why Caylee went "missing".

Clearly CA on one hand was supporting FCA before the remains were found but to me it was obvious Cindy wasn't prepared to accept that Caylee was dead and not just missing until at least late November. Cindy is like a loose cannon who can't be trusted to keep her mouth shut. She says whatever she thinks whenever she thinks. No way would FCA have trusted her. IMO FCA lied to her just like she lied to everyone else.
 
It still amazes me how after so many people helped to try and find Caylee, once a certain threshold was crossed, like say the issue of the map, these people were basically thrown out on their ear and an effort became priority to disregard and ruin their credibility - wasn't just 1 or 2 people either.

For me, I seem to think CA knew from day 1. I mean, just utterance of the open gate to co-workers out of the blue, to me, she kept setting the stage each time with her little quips-one of the best ones I was reminded of was when she was posting the No Trespassing signs and another slip came out; where she stated she was the one who had always watched Caylee when FCA went out-direct contrast to the Zanny story.

I had to stop what I was doing to come back in here-Shoot, do you all realize that FCA is into CA for the rest of her life now? That's right. All because of CA's utterance about the pool-not to media, not to FCA in jail, but to her own co-workers. Gee, wonder if it makes her proud to know she used that idea 1st? Not that it is the actual truth mind you, but it helped her daughter's attorney set the stage for OS-Can't help but wonder if she'll hang it over FCA's head the rest of her life?
 
It still amazes me how after so many people helped to try and find Caylee, once a certain threshold was crossed, like say the issue of the map, these people were basically thrown out on their ear and an effort became priority to disregard and ruin their credibility - wasn't just 1 or 2 people either.

For me, I seem to think CA knew from day 1. I mean, just utterance of the open gate to co-workers out of the blue, to me, she kept setting the stage each time with her little quips-one of the best ones I was reminded of was when she was posting the No Trespassing signs and another slip came out; where she stated she was the one who had always watched Caylee when FCA went out-direct contrast to the Zanny story.

I had to stop what I was doing to come back in here-Shoot, do you all realize that FCA is into CA for the rest of her life now? That's right. All because of CA's utterance about the pool-not to media, not to FCA in jail, but to her own co-workers. Gee, wonder if it makes her proud to know she used that idea 1st? Not that it is the actual truth mind you, but it helped her daughter's attorney set the stage for OS-Can't help but wonder if she'll hang it over FCA's head the rest of her life?

I certainly respect your thoughts about this. However, I have two daughters and if my grand daughter went missing, my first thought would NOT be - hey I guess my daughter killed her. And then add the media completely taking over the Anthony's lives, plus the protesters, etc., my feelings are I would be slow to jump to the conclusion it was in fact my daughter who was guilty, and I would question just what it was that I remembered about what was supposed to be a normal day after hearing my grandchild had been kidnapped.

I can appreciate that CA is our favourite punching bag and is much more reviled in our threads than even FCA. However, I believe if CA knew or even suspected FCA did this terrible thing and was complicit - she would never have brought the LE into the mix in the first place.

I also believe she has yet to come to the full reality that FCA is completely responsible for the murder of little Caylee. Remember, Baez was threatening both George and Cindy with the death penalty. Had FCA been found guilty, it would have gone a long way to CA accepting the whole truth, but the not guilty verdict gave her renewed hope that FCA hadn't done this terrible thing. But the truth will bubble to the service one of these days - you can't keep your heart and your mind separate forever.
All IMO of course.
 
I certainly respect your thoughts about this. However, I have two daughters and if my grand daughter went missing, my first thought would NOT be - hey I guess my daughter killed her. And then add the media completely taking over the Anthony's lives, plus the protesters, etc., my feelings are I would be slow to jump to the conclusion it was in fact my daughter who was guilty, and I would question just what it was that I remembered about what was supposed to be a normal day after hearing my grandchild had been kidnapped.

I can appreciate that CA is our favourite punching bag and is much more reviled in our threads than even FCA. However, I believe if CA knew or even suspected FCA did this terrible thing and was complicit - she would never have brought the LE into the mix in the first place.

I also believe she has yet to come to the full reality that FCA is completely responsible for the murder of little Caylee. Remember, Baez was threatening both George and Cindy with the death penalty. Had FCA been found guilty, it would have gone a long way to CA accepting the whole truth, but the not guilty verdict gave her renewed hope that FCA hadn't done this terrible thing. But the truth will bubble to the service one of these days - you can't keep your heart and your mind separate forever.
All IMO of course.
Yet her very first conclusion was, "What have you done?!!"
Nope...IMHO, Cindy didn't buy the BS story...and I'd really like to know what transpired/discussed during those hours that they were setting up the website.
 
I certainly respect your thoughts about this. However, I have two daughters and if my grand daughter went missing, my first thought would NOT be - hey I guess my daughter killed her. And then add the media completely taking over the Anthony's lives, plus the protesters, etc., my feelings are I would be slow to jump to the conclusion it was in fact my daughter who was guilty, and I would question just what it was that I remembered about what was supposed to be a normal day after hearing my grandchild had been kidnapped.

I can appreciate that CA is our favourite punching bag and is much more reviled in our threads than even FCA. However, I believe if CA knew or even suspected FCA did this terrible thing and was complicit - she would never have brought the LE into the mix in the first place.

I also believe she has yet to come to the full reality that FCA is completely responsible for the murder of little Caylee. Remember, Baez was threatening both George and Cindy with the death penalty. Had FCA been found guilty, it would have gone a long way to CA accepting the whole truth, but the not guilty verdict gave her renewed hope that FCA hadn't done this terrible thing. But the truth will bubble to the service one of these days - you can't keep your heart and your mind separate forever.
All IMO of course.

I also respect your thoughts. I know, I have grandchildren of my own, but hypothetically, if my single daughter lived with me up until the time my granddaughter went 'missing' It wouldn't take me 31 days to call in LE and I wouldn't start dropping tidbits about pool gates being opened to my co-workers a month before 911 was called. I understand, I do that a grandparent really has no right to call 911 just because a grown daughter moved out with the grandchild-no law against that at all, but at least do a welfare check on the situation for peace of mind.

I only said CA used the pool/open gate as an excuse and only as an excuse, never said she said FCA used it to drown her child-she actually blamed others. Could probably call it a premeditated excuse-she mentioned it way before anything else happened, BUT it was that utterance that came to be used at trial by the D/T.

I'm sorry but mo, I don't give either grandparent a pass on any of this. I can't. I don't have any sympathy for them either. True, they lost something very precious, but I still don't see any true feeling of the loss.
 
Was it ever verified by her co-workers that she did in fact mention the ladder in that month that Caylee was missing? I don't remember this coming out.
 
The utterance was mentioned I believe by GA to LE. I do believe it was mentioned CA said it to at least one of her co-workers around 6/17. Does it really matter now? It was mentioned and it was used-period.

Who is to really say that other utterance and so many more What have you done, wasn't all rehearsed? It was all an act, imo, cause and effect to bury secrets and make all that money at the same time by playing the sympathy card. imo.

GA actually did answer to JB on the stand he knew Caylee was gone on 6/24.

Yep, you win. I'm tired of being singled out. It's my swan song. Just always remember, when it comes to fact, there isn't any such a thing with this case, except Caylee died.
 
I also respect your thoughts. I know, I have grandchildren of my own, but hypothetically, if my single daughter lived with me up until the time my granddaughter went 'missing' It wouldn't take me 31 days to call in LE and I wouldn't start dropping tidbits about pool gates being opened to my co-workers a month before 911 was called. I understand, I do that a grandparent really has no right to call 911 just because a grown daughter moved out with the grandchild-no law against that at all, but at least do a welfare check on the situation for peace of mind.

I only said CA used the pool/open gate as an excuse and only as an excuse, never said she said FCA used it to drown her child-she actually blamed others. Could probably call it a premeditated excuse-she mentioned it way before anything else happened, BUT it was that utterance that came to be used at trial by the D/T.

I'm sorry but mo, I don't give either grandparent a pass on any of this. I can't. I don't have any sympathy for them either. True, they lost something very precious, but I still don't see any true feeling of the loss.

Stay around, I like your perspective. I think CA might have figured it out while she was on the phone after saying, (approx.) it smells like a damn dead body has been in there. That could be when it all came together in her mind. I don't think she would have said anything about the car smell or call the police at all if she knew prior to that. JMO
 
The utterance was mentioned I believe by GA to LE. I do believe it was mentioned CA said it to at least one of her co-workers around 6/17. Does it really matter now? It was mentioned and it was used-period.

Who is to really say that other utterance and so many more What have you done, wasn't all rehearsed? It was all an act, imo, cause and effect to bury secrets and make all that money at the same time by playing the sympathy card. imo.

GA actually did answer to JB on the stand he knew Caylee was gone on 6/24.

Yep, you win. I'm tired of being singled out. It's my swan song. Just always remember, when it comes to fact, there isn't any such a thing with this case, except Caylee died.
She did mention it in hindsight...supposedly she called up George and questioned him, but IIRC...this all happened AFTER Casey left...so IMO it had no bearing whatsoever. I wasn't confused by it, but obviously it was enough to confuse the jury.
And please...don't go anywhere. oxoxoxox
 
Big Momma,

Please don't leave. If it came across as I was doubting you I apologize. Your post just brought to my mind that I don't recall any of ca's coworkers confirming that she said anything of this. There were so many red herrings thrown out by that family that it is hard to keep fact sorted from fiction.
 
It still amazes me how after so many people helped to try and find Caylee, once a certain threshold was crossed, like say the issue of the map, these people were basically thrown out on their ear and an effort became priority to disregard and ruin their credibility - wasn't just 1 or 2 people either.

For me, I seem to think CA knew from day 1. I mean, just utterance of the open gate to co-workers out of the blue, to me, she kept setting the stage each time with her little quips-one of the best ones I was reminded of was when she was posting the No Trespassing signs and another slip came out; where she stated she was the one who had always watched Caylee when FCA went out-direct contrast to the Zanny story.

I had to stop what I was doing to come back in here-Shoot, do you all realize that FCA is into CA for the rest of her life now? That's right. All because of CA's utterance about the pool-not to media, not to FCA in jail, but to her own co-workers. Gee, wonder if it makes her proud to know she used that idea 1st? Not that it is the actual truth mind you, but it helped her daughter's attorney set the stage for OS-Can't help but wonder if she'll hang it over FCA's head the rest of her life?

They deserve each other !
:woohoo:
 
Big Momma,

Please don't leave. If it came across as I was doubting you I apologize. Your post just brought to my mind that I don't recall any of ca's coworkers confirming that she said anything of this. There were so many red herrings thrown out by that family that it is hard to keep fact sorted from fiction.

It was Debbie Pelisano from Gentiva who confirmed it to LE. She wasn't sure of the date, but was sure it came before the sotry of the gas cans.
 
Yet her very first conclusion was, "What have you done?!!"
Nope...IMHO, Cindy didn't buy the BS story...and I'd really like to know what transpired/discussed during those hours that they were setting up the website.

There are seriously a thousand reasons for that one RROOO4 - because they were talking about the smell in the trunk...not about Caylee at that point. It could have been who she was mixed up with - it could have been just about anything...but CA bought the kidnapping story as soon as it came out of FCA lips

I've never been able to figure out why posters think it had to do with Caylee being dead. Maybe she thought she gave her up for adoption. I honestly believe if CA thought that day that FCA had killed Caylee, FCA would have died that day.Just too many signs that to me point to CA pussyfooting around FCA to first, not upset her or make her angry, and second to convince FCA to tell her, CA, where Caylee was.

If CA and GA knew Caylee was dead - none of the stuff that happened from July to August would have happened. It's not even close to being connected to them knowing Caylee was dead by FCA's hands.

And while I'm on a roll here - although I think CA's comment that Caylee was just an empty shell was just disgusting to hear - I ask you - what does a grandmother tell herself to prevent her from completely taking into her heart that her daughter triple bagged her grand daughter and threw her away into a swamp like a piece of garbage. What does she tell herself so she can make it to tomorrow? FCA made a mountain of a fool out of Cindy.

I don't give CA an inch on the stuff she actually has done - she's almost as bad as her daughter when it comes to that - I'm just not of a mind to give her the "sweeping pen" that other posters here are. All IMO :moo:
 
There are seriously a thousand reasons for that one RROOO4 - because they were talking about the smell in the trunk...not about Caylee at that point. It could have been who she was mixed up with - it could have been just about anything...but CA bought the kidnapping story as soon as it came out of FCA lips

I've never been able to figure out why posters think it had to do with Caylee being dead. Maybe she thought she gave her up for adoption. I honestly believe if CA thought that day that FCA had killed Caylee, FCA would have died that day.Just too many signs that to me point to CA pussyfooting around FCA to first, not upset her or make her angry, and second to convince FCA to tell her, CA, where Caylee was.

If CA and GA knew Caylee was dead - none of the stuff that happened from July to August would have happened. It's not even close to being connected to them knowing Caylee was dead by FCA's hands.

And while I'm on a roll here - although I think CA's comment that Caylee was just an empty shell was just disgusting to hear - I ask you - what does a grandmother tell herself to prevent her from completely taking into her heart that her daughter triple bagged her grand daughter and threw her away into a swamp like a piece of garbage. What does she tell herself so she can make it to tomorrow? FCA made a mountain of a fool out of Cindy.

I don't give CA an inch on the stuff she actually has done - she's almost as bad as her daughter when it comes to that - I'm just not of a mind to give her the "sweeping pen" that other posters here are. All IMO :moo:
Sorry, Logicalgirl...if she didn't know at the moment Casey couldn't produce Caylee, she surely knew when "ZFG" was disproved. How long did that take? A day...two? But, IMPO, Cindy and George couldn't ignore the smell of decomposition. Oh, you may not accept it...but you sure have acknowledged it in conscious thought. Very early on Cindy was caught on camera saying if Casey did anything, she should be held responsible. I think her tune changed when the lies started mounting. Who lies about a kidnapping? I had the slightest doubt back then that Casey did, in fact, hide Caylee away to punish her parents...but when she sat in jail and said nothing...then I knew something horrible had happened. I'm sure living in that household with the likes of Casey was hell. I don't see folks burning Cindy at the stake...I see folks angry for good reason. She became a nightmare in her own right. IMPO. Her behavior pre-trial, during the trial, and post trial was reprehensible.
JMO
 
Sorry, Logicalgirl...if she didn't know at the moment Casey couldn't produce Caylee, she surely knew when "ZFG" was disproved. How long did that take? A day...two? But, IMPO, Cindy and George couldn't ignore the smell of decomposition. Oh, you may not accept it...but you sure have acknowledged it in conscious thought. Very early on Cindy was caught on camera saying if Casey did anything, she should be held responsible. I think her tune changed when the lies started mounting. Who lies about a kidnapping? I had the slightest doubt back then that Casey did, in fact, hide Caylee away to punish her parents...but when she sat in jail and said nothing...then I knew something horrible had happened. I'm sure living in that household with the likes of Casey was hell. I don't see folks burning Cindy at the stake...I see folks angry for good reason. She became a nightmare in her own right. IMPO. Her behavior pre-trial, during the trial, and post trial was reprehensible.
JMO

I've always thought from day one that FCA was guilty - and yes, I think GA and CA knew about the trunk from when they picked up the car. But I don't think they immediately assumed it was Caylee who was dead. I think they thought she had Caylee stashed somewhere (Is this like the last time) and that she was mixed up with some kind of crowd who had done something awful. Living with Cindy was hell? Living with FCA was hell surely? FCA was and is the monster here.

Your last statement is so true to me and I support it 100%. But as a long time poster you will remember that I'm not saying anything different than I've said all along regarding CA and how or when she knew. And some of my dear most respected friends here disagree with me to the point of verbal blows at times. Long and hard have we discussed this topic. And we agree to disagree, right?

I respect that folks don't see what I see - which is that if the Anthony's knew from the beginning that Caylee was dead and dead because FCA killed her - and if as many posters say, this was a grandmother who didn't love her grand daughter and didn't grieve, then if all that was true, then the LE would never have been brought into it. The first six months wouldn't have happened and FCA would have quietly left town for a couple of years and come back with some story about Caylee dying from some unknown health problem.

To me, CA is a woman whose emotional health was already at risk as she fought to control her family and have it appear normal, and keep FCA's behaviour "under wraps". And June 2008 brought the worst nightmare possible for her - torn between two loyalties - her love for her daughter and her love for her grand daughter and the horrendous information that FCA killed Caylee.

We're full of coulda, shoulda, woulda - she should have done this, or known that - and IMO idealistically or philosophically she probably should have done everything different. Well look at CA and ask - does she really seem someone who is emtionally mature enough to take the higher road? Not to me she doesn't.

And although I've been called a Cindy supporter over and over again here, I most emphatically am not. But watching and reading the information from the first 6 months over and over again over three years from an objective point of view - I don't agree with the majority here. And I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. Using some objectivity and what my head is telling me - it just is what it is, to me. And isn't that what WS is about - to discuss, disagree, hear new information and adjust/share our thoughts?
 

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