Tim Miller: Possible Lawsuit against Casey

[LambChop]

If "I" hadn't bought the car, the same as KC didn't contact TM and ask him to come, I don't believe I'd be out any money the same as KC didn't dupe TM into anything.

What now? Is TM going to sue the murderer of every deceased person he's found? That's what he needs to do if he's going to start suing anyone at all because every murderer knew where the body was - or, is he going to pick and choose which one might have money coming in?

These are sincere questions. I think he's setting a bad precedent, one that could destroy everything he's worked for and everything I thought he stood for.

My opinion only

Yes. Assuming that he is talking to the murderer and they tell him they don't know where the body is, that you believe she is still alive and then later say...ooopps, it was an accident. It's fraud, plain and simple. Pretty much what she did to Amy. jmo

 

[LambChop]

In this country, apparently, a mother telling blatant lie after lie regarding her missing child is just a little ooppsie worthy of nothing more than a slap on the wrist as to criminal punishment. However, civil suits to recover monetary damages directly caused by those lies can still be successfully pursued.

This woman told the WORLD her child was alive and missing. Her attorney told the world her child was alive and missing. Her lies caused Tim Miller's heart felt compassion and stated purpose of Texas Equisearch to spend more money than any of these hucksters had ever seen to try and find this missing child.

His money, time, and compassion were WASTED because of her lies. He has not only the right to sue this liar, he has an obligation to sue on behalf of the other cases he could have pursued were it not for her lies.



I'm not going to comment on the intelligence of Tim Miller, because frankly I don't know much about the clinical assessment of that sort of thing. But I do know this, I looked into this man's eyes in Orlando, Florida three years ago and decided one thing. If, God forbid, anyone of my loved ones were to ever become missing, there is NO ONE I would call before Tim Miller to help me find them.

In my view, he is a giant among men.

Oh, you made me cry. :tyou:

 

[suzihawk]

In this country, apparently, a mother telling blatant lie after lie regarding her missing child is just a little ooppsie worthy of nothing more than a slap on the wrist as to criminal punishment. However, civil suits to recover monetary damages directly caused by those lies can still be successfully pursued.

This woman told the WORLD her child was alive and missing. Her attorney told the world her child was alive and missing. Her lies caused Tim Miller's heart felt compassion and stated purpose of Texas Equisearch to spend more money than any of these hucksters had ever seen to try and find this missing child.

His money, time, and compassion were WASTED because of her lies. He has not only the right to sue this liar, he has an obligation to sue on behalf of the other cases he could have pursued were it not for her lies.



I'm not going to comment on the intelligence of Tim Miller, because frankly I don't know much about the clinical assessment of that sort of thing. But I do know this, I looked into this man's eyes in Orlando, Florida three years ago and decided one thing. If, God forbid, anyone of my loved ones were to ever become missing, there is NO ONE I would call before Tim Miller to help me find them.

In my view, he is a giant among men.

Thank you, Papa. Excellent post. Thank you!

 

[ZsaZsa]

In this country, apparently, a mother telling blatant lie after lie regarding her missing child is just a little ooppsie worthy of nothing more than a slap on the wrist as to criminal punishment. However, civil suits to recover monetary damages directly caused by those lies can still be successfully pursued.

This woman told the WORLD her child was alive and missing. Her attorney told the world her child was alive and missing. Her lies caused Tim Miller's heart felt compassion and stated purpose of Texas Equisearch to spend more money than any of these hucksters had ever seen to try and find this missing child.

His money, time, and compassion were WASTED because of her lies. He has not only the right to sue this liar, he has an obligation to sue on behalf of the other cases he could have pursued were it not for her lies.



I'm not going to comment on the intelligence of Tim Miller, because frankly I don't know much about the clinical assessment of that sort of thing. But I do know this, I looked into this man's eyes in Orlando, Florida three years ago and decided one thing. If, God forbid, anyone of my loved ones were to ever become missing, there is NO ONE I would call before Tim Miller to help me find them.

In my view, he is a giant among men.

:tyou::tyou::tyou:

 

[gngr~snap]

I can't begin to guess. I know that when dogs are searching for a decomposed body they don't need to have that particular person's scent to find it.

http://www.amrg.info/home/24.html?task=view

When given a scent article that only the subject has touched, the dog can follow that person's trail -- even if it crosses trail scent left by other people. Trailing dogs sometimes, but not always, work on leash.

An air-scenting dog can often detect and localize human scent from 100 yards or more -- the longest refind in AMRG's database is 270 yards.

It's important to remember that, while air-scenting dogs can and do find people, much like human searchers they more often find clues.

CA wouldn't give him an article of clothing because she KNEW better.
They would walk the dogs towars Suburban DR. Caylee MIGHT have been found.
The police only brought cadaver dogs in. What if anything might have been buried in the yard ?

 

[ZsaZsa]

What do you think his reasons were for asking for a piece of Caylee's clothing?

His dogs were tracking dogs, working from the scent of clothing, not cadaver search dogs. They were just trying to get an article of Caylee's clothing to work from, to cover more ground, but that was denied him.

 

[suzihawk]

His dogs were tracking dogs, working from the scent of clothing, not cadaver search dogs. They were just trying to get an article of Caylee's clothing to work from, to cover more ground, but that was denied him.

No, I understand. I was asking because it appeared as if the OP felt Tim had some nefarious reason for asking for an item of clothing.

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Are you saying that when you sent your donation you had absolutely no idea that Casey had harmed Caylee and knew where Caylee's body was? Did you think Caylee was alive, and if so, didn't you wonder why TES was searching through fields and woods?

No. Not at all. I believed she was dead at the hands of FCA on the day 31...and think FCA should be held accountable / responsible for the costs; as should any and all other "FCA like" individuals who fraudulently pursue assistance from TES or any other similar organization.

My point was, when Tim asked for input from his donor's, I know there were many others like me asking / telling Tim to "go for it"...which I believe he took into consideration before moving forward with litigation.

But...I agree with other posters that it shouldn't be limited to FCA just because I loathe her. IMO, TM should pursue the same actions should the same situation occur in the future; and I can assure you that I will voice my opinion to him at that time, just as I did with FCA.

Anyhoo...you made me think about the reasons for my donations and I sincerely appreciate it, because I've been seething with the thought that she "got off" on all the murder charges; I never saw / thought beyond that...thank you!

That said, I'm someone who will return rotten fruit for a refund...so I say to anyone, if you are not satisfied with something you bought ---tangible or not---you should be able to get a refund, or exchange at least.

(I hope this makes sense...thanks to you, I'm in such deep thought about how and why I donate to any organization that I'm not sure I clearly articulated my response - )

 

[Trident]

In this country, apparently, a mother telling blatant lie after lie regarding her missing child is just a little ooppsie worthy of nothing more than a slap on the wrist as to criminal punishment. However, civil suits to recover monetary damages directly caused by those lies can still be successfully pursued.

This woman told the WORLD her child was alive and missing. Her attorney told the world her child was alive and missing. Her lies caused Tim Miller's heart felt compassion and stated purpose of Texas Equisearch to spend more money than any of these hucksters had ever seen to try and find this missing child.

His money, time, and compassion were WASTED because of her lies. He has not only the right to sue this liar, he has an obligation to sue on behalf of the other cases he could have pursued were it not for her lies.



I'm not going to comment on the intelligence of Tim Miller, because frankly I don't know much about the clinical assessment of that sort of thing. But I do know this, I looked into this man's eyes in Orlando, Florida three years ago and decided one thing. If, God forbid, anyone of my loved ones were to ever become missing, there is NO ONE I would call before Tim Miller to help me find them.

In my view, he is a giant among men.

I used to feel that way - until this case. When he pulled out of the search for Caylee, there was some "misunderstanding" between him and CA and I believe LE told him "things". I do know, and understand, there was standing water where Caylee was dumped by person(s) unknown. He did the right thing to leave that area alone, BUT it was NOT explained that way to us, and donate I did - not the humorous $5.00 either.

I loved that man, TM, even though I never looked into his eyes and saw the moon and stars - I saw a mortal man haunted by the death of his own daughter, a man who made a vow to help others because no one had helped him.

Now? I believe I'm seeing another side of TM, even though I don't know him personally. I see him piling on someone who has been found "not guilty", and should be left alone, even though I think she probably did it. I don't like what I'm seeing here - it smacks of filthy lucre to me, but this is my own OPINION and I could be wrong. I only know TM has fallen a few steps in my eyes and in my heart I believe he is bringing about the end of his own mission.

My opinion only

 

[deelytful1]

I used to feel that way - until this case. When he pulled out of the search for Caylee, there was some "misunderstanding" between him and CA and I believe LE told him "things". I do know, and understand, there was standing water where Caylee was dumped by person(s) unknown. He did the right thing to leave that area alone, BUT it was NOT explained that way to us, and donate I did - not the humorous $5.00 either.

I loved that man, TM, even though I never looked into his eyes and saw the moon and stars - I saw a mortal man haunted by the death of his own daughter, a man who made a vow to help others because no one had helped him.

Now? I believe I'm seeing another side of TM, even though I don't know him personally. I see him piling on someone who has been found "not guilty", and should be left alone, even though I think she probably did it. I don't like what I'm seeing here - it smacks of filthy lucre to me, but this is my own OPINION and I could be wrong. I only know TM has fallen a few steps in my eyes and in my heart I believe he is bringing about the end of his own mission.

My opinion only

With all due respect, besides FCA making an absolute fool out of a good man and his agency and numerous devoted volunteers , if he recoups $100K, do you realize this money may just be able to give him a new piece of equipment, boat, radar to find a child whose parents are truly grieving and are desperate for his help? I doubt he's suing over money and IMHO I think both CA and FCA could pizz off the likes of the pope with their attitudes so i think he gave up due to tremendous resistance and the stink of unimagineable lying.
If he's suing on behalf of Equusearch, the money will be accounted for properly.
No matter WHAT the Pinellas 12 decided we ALL know she's guilty and I think TM knew way before any of us. IMHO. Someone killed his child and here he is unknowingly trying to help someone that killed theirs? I would have had to take many hot showers and purge myself after I realized THAT information if I was him. This could be therapeutic for him after that violation.

 

[Trident]

It really doesn't matter what I think or what you think, or what anyone else thinks. What will be will be. I see a bad mistake with this suit. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Wendy101]

Huh?? Grieving Grandma CA refused Tim a piece of Caylees clothing?? Yet, she was the one who called him?

Also, this new foundation - what percentage goes to the Grieving Grandma?

 

[grandmaj]

Tim Miller said on one of the shows the other night that this money if he wins this law suit, will not go into his general accounting. He said he promised his daughter Laura that he would be there for every missing child that he was able and when he turned 19 families away during his search for Caylee he felt he let her down on his promise.

This money he said will go into a special fund and will be used only for search for babies and children. Not adults.

When I look at Tim Miller and his laid back ways, when I remember him crying because Cindy treated him so badly, I agree this has to be done. What happened in this case was like insurance fraud. And it stinks to high heaven that this man lost so much money on people who lied to him including Baez.

 

[deelytful1]

Tim Miller said on one of the shows the other night that this money if he wins this law suit, will not go into his general accounting. He said he promised his daughter Laura that he would be there for every missing child that he was able and when he turned 19 families away during his search for Caylee he felt he let her down on his promise.

This money he said will go into a special fund and will be used only for search for babies and children. Not adults.

When I look at Tim Miller and his laid back ways, when I remember him crying because Cindy treated him so badly, I agree this has to be done. What happened in this case was like insurance fraud. And it stinks to high heaven that this man lost so much money on people who lied to him including Baez.

Thank you grandmaj. I didn't know this, but I knew he would do the respectable thing.. as always.
Unfortunately considering the current state of the missing, I'm sure he'll blow thru the money easily considering how many children need to be found
All the more reason he should win the lawsuit IMHO.

 

[annalia]

I used to feel that way - until this case. When he pulled out of the search for Caylee, there was some "misunderstanding" between him and CA and I believe LE told him "things". I do know, and understand, there was standing water where Caylee was dumped by person(s) unknown. He did the right thing to leave that area alone, BUT it was NOT explained that way to us, and donate I did - not the humorous $5.00 either.

I loved that man, TM, even though I never looked into his eyes and saw the moon and stars - I saw a mortal man haunted by the death of his own daughter, a man who made a vow to help others because no one had helped him.

Now? I believe I'm seeing another side of TM, even though I don't know him personally. I see him piling on someone who has been found "not guilty", and should be left alone, even though I think she probably did it. I don't like what I'm seeing here - it smacks of filthy lucre to me, but this is my own OPINION and I could be wrong. I only know TM has fallen a few steps in my eyes and in my heart I believe he is bringing about the end of his own mission.

My opinion only

I don't agree with frivolous lawsuits but if anyone deserves to sue it is TM.
Painting Tim to be the greedy one is unfair.

There are consequences to actions, and just because Casey beat the system doesn't mean she should never be held accountable for anything, including what Tim dealt with because of her. Suing in civil court is also part of our justice system. Casey isn't a victim, she's the victimizer. I could see knocking him if he was suing for multi millions but he isn't. he was never madea rich man because of what he does for others and he's not looking to get rich now, he's looking for what's right and fair, if he recoups even part of what he put out it goes towards helping those really in need.

That being said though, the consensus among those knowledgable in these types of suits seems to be that he probably won't win the suit.
JMHO

 

[grandmaj]

Add the alleged witness tampering regarding his organization to the mix also. The defense tried to dirty the name of Tim Miller's organization. Let's not forget there is a forged document about TES searching that area when in fact they had not because of the water. It was in the hands of the defense. How did they get it and why I ask was that evidence not used by Baez in court?

People have an absolute right to defend themselves at trial. What they do not have a right to do is violate the law to do it, ruin the good reputation of the people who have tried to do the right things.

Tim Miller even if he doesn't win, and I think he has a good shot, is doing this for the principal. If only others had honorable principal in their dealings with the court system and law enforcement and the cause for missing children.

 

[LambChop]

It really doesn't matter what I think or what you think, or what anyone else thinks. What will be will be. I see a bad mistake with this suit. I hope I'm wrong.

Remember, too, the name on the lawsuit is TES, not Tim Miller. TES is an entity of it's own. On the books Tim Miller works for TES. If that makes you feel better about it. Works for me.

I, personally would hate to be sued by anyone but if I had done something very, very wrong and knew it I would expect it to happen. KC has done a lot of damage to others, emotionally and monetarily. It's not just the money to Tim, clearly Tim is emotional about those 19 families he feels he let down trying to find a baby whose mother knew exactly where she was.

The difference is in most missing children cases they are missing because of a third party mostly unknown. In this case there was only KC, there was no third party.

Some may feel KC needs to be left alone, she was found not guilty. I would agree until I heard she is shopping for the highest bidder and "Where's my check?" Although I think knowing KC it may have been, "Where's my %$#^& check?" For every action there is an equal reaction. It's the law of the Universe. jmo

 

[LambChop]

add the alleged witness tampering regarding his organization to the mix also. The defense tried to dirty the name of tim miller's organization. Let's not forget there is a forged document about tes searching that area when in fact they had not because of the water. It was in the hands of the defense. How did they get it and why i ask was that evidence not used by baez in court?

People have an absolute right to defend themselves at trial. What they do not have a right to do is violate the law to do it, ruin the good reputation of the people who have tried to do the right things.

Tim miller even if he doesn't win, and i think he has a good shot, is doing this for the principal. If only others had honorable principal in their dealings with the court system and law enforcement and the cause for missing children.

high fives........

 

[EPfan]

I used to feel that way - until this case. When he pulled out of the search for Caylee, there was some "misunderstanding" between him and CA and I believe LE told him "things". I do know, and understand, there was standing water where Caylee was dumped by person(s) unknown. He did the right thing to leave that area alone, BUT it was NOT explained that way to us, and donate I did - not the humorous $5.00 either.

I loved that man, TM, even though I never looked into his eyes and saw the moon and stars - I saw a mortal man haunted by the death of his own daughter, a man who made a vow to help others because no one had helped him.

Now? I believe I'm seeing another side of TM, even though I don't know him personally. I see him piling on someone who has been found "not guilty", and should be left alone, even though I think she probably did it. I don't like what I'm seeing here - it smacks of filthy lucre to me, but this is my own OPINION and I could be wrong. I only know TM has fallen a few steps in my eyes and in my heart I believe he is bringing about the end of his own mission.

My opinion only

I have nothing but respect for Equusearch, but I don't think sueing is a good move for this non-profit organization. I wish TM would help the low-profile cases and steer away from the lime-light. I thought that when the Natalie Holloway case drug on and on. Maybe equusearch needs their name out there for reasons I don't know, I'm not quite sure. Sueing may deture people that really need his help from calling him in the future. When someone reaches the point to start sueing maybe they lose their focus of the beginning goal. Wish he wouldn't wast his time or MONEY, to sue. Where is he getting the money to sue, anyone know?

 

[LambChop]

I have nothing but respect for Equusearch, but I don't think sueing is a good move for this non-profit organization. I wish TM would help the low-profile cases and steer away from the lime-light. I thought that when the Natalie Holloway case drug on and on. Maybe equusearch needs their name out there for reasons I don't know, I'm not quite sure. Sueing may deture people that really need his help from calling him in the future. When someone reaches the point to start sueing maybe they lose their focus of the beginning goal. Wish he wouldn't wast his time or MONEY, to sue. Where is he getting the money to sue, anyone know?

I think most people would agree that if someone in your family were missing and possibly dead you would want their remains recovered asap. People who murder don't usually call TES to find the body. I don't think it would ever deter people from calling TES if their loved one was truly missing.

The attorneys could be working on a contingency basis. TES has a right to recover lost funds. Look at the money TES had to spend to protect the searchers identities while the DT was doing their background checks. Someone had to pay that bill.

Maybe Tim Miller just doesn't like liars. jmo