Timeline Discussion

[emmcee]

between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.

Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri said she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She said she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.

I think LE should be looking at the entire time from 8:45 to 11:39 (if her gym checked out). She could have a receipt that she bought something at the store at 10:10, but like someone else said - Kyron could have been in the back of the truck while she bought something to dispose of him in. Wonder if there was a tarp or anything like that in the back of the truck.

From the very beginning I have thought that a container of some type is involved. I have no clue as to what kind of container, but that idea has never left me over all these weeks. Perhaps something to carry a science project in and a body out? Something to bury him in? I can't work it out in my brain, but I still think there's a container in the story somewhere.

 

[sofia76]

So far we don't know what LE has learned from the questioner's from the school. This is Terry's version of her day. I don't believe we have LE's report of her cell pings, surveillance videos, time of receipts, time of bank card usage. IIRC it has been said that what she has said does not match what LE has, and I can imagine they have a lot more than what's been leaked and reported on, I also think we will be hit with a lot more bombs than we've already been hit with. With that said, my thoughts only, I can't say one way or another what went on that day without LE reports on her time line or weather or not Kyron was with her. But so far, from what we have, they can't arrest her for murder, especially with all the talk about Kyron still being alive. MOO

Bolded by me. I totally agree that this is TERRI'S timeline. If LE has information that she isn't where she said she was, then we can't rely on her timeline. For example, if her friends are saying she has receipts to "prove" she was running errands from 8:45 to 10:10, it could be that she has one receipt at 10:10, but nothing to prove where she was at 9:15.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Multiple interviews with him, the most recent just the other day at the Wall of Hope.

In the wall of hope interview he does not speak of red flags, terris behavior, etc. He doesnt speak about terri at all and repeats he isnt going to answer questions about her, either.
seeking truth, is dead on when speaking of all of the patterns, signs, etc that more than likely have been displayed over the months and years by terri and of course kaine is going to deny and downplay any "red flags"(just as hes done when DY has said she had seen red flags)this IMO would be expected(atleast still at this time, 7 weeks out and possibly forever)that kaine does and will deny, downplay, and ignore all of the "red flags" that possibly were occurring. #1 because he fears it would look negatively on him for not being more aware and not doing more to look into what was truly going on with Terri and #2 even if it didnt look negatively on him then I think the guilt associated with the 20/20 of hindsight would almost be more than a human could bear...
So I would not take Kaines denial of Terri showing any signs whatsoever with any more weight than a grain of salt..

And let me clarify I am not saying nor implying Kaine is at fault in anyway, tho his demeanor at times is oddly very flat i still think he is a victim of Terri in this as are many others. So am not in any way faulting Kaine rather just saying its quite expected that you will not hear the true nature of Terri's demeanor leading up to Kyrons disappearance, because of reasons I stated above.

 

[BeanE]

In the wall of hope interview he does not speak of red flags, terris behavior, etc. He doesnt speak about terri at all and repeats he isnt going to answer questions about her, either.

He sure does. The reporter asks him if there were any warning signs, and he says not really.

 

[BeanE]

This is Terry's version of her day.

I totally agree that this is TERRI'S timeline.

Actually, this is a reporter's version of Unnamed Sources' version of what is allegedly Terri's version of her timeline. I think it's important to keep that in mind.

:cow:

 

[Cheewawa007]

Everyone makes great points on both sides of the "fence", which by the way I'm starting to hate lol, but there's just this big old hink bump....I can't get around it to get on either side.

IKWYM.... come join me on the cheerleading squad perched on top of the fence..... GO TEAMS!!!:Banane03::Banane05::Banane42::not_ripe::Banane07:

 

[Jo in Calif]

Actually, this is a reporter's version of Unnamed Sources' version of what is allegedly Terri's version of her timeline. I think it's important to keep that in mind.

:cow:

I stand corrected, you are right, wouldn't it be interesting to know where the unnamed source got the info. from?

 

[21merc7]

Everyone makes great points on both sides of the "fence", which by the way I'm starting to hate lol, but there's just this big old hink bump....I can't get around it to get on either side.

The United States is proud to have you as a voyeur/juror.

So are we!

 

[bessie]

But you know, in this digital age where almost every store has surveillance cameras and our presence can so easily be electronically tracked via cell phone pings, key card swipes and even traffic cams on well-traveled roads, it's not so easy to deny your whereabouts for a certain time period. Think about it - you were somewhere you shouldn't be, doing something you shouldn't do and have to account for it in some way. Can't say shopping because of the cameras, fast food places use them too, and most people would remember serving someone in a sit down restaurant. Even most community libraries or internet cafes have some sort of electronic tracking systems for their users. Some major roads have tolls or e-passes that log us in and out of their systems. So really, it's a simplistically brilliant alibi, if it is indeed a lie. How in the world can LE disprove her story unless somebody, somewhere can attest that they saw her elsewhere during that critical time.

If she says she was driving the rural roads at the same time her cell phone pings or an eyewitness place her there, then there is nothing to disprove at this point. But if Kyron's body or evidence linked to his disappearance is found in the vicinity of those roads beyond what would be her normal territory, then she's going to have a big problem because she's placed herself there with a fishy story -- very fishy, imo -- about a toddler with an earache and no one but a two year-old to say that all she did was drive around for an hour-and-a-half.

I wish we knew whether or not she told LE about the ride from the start, or if she came up with it after they confronted her because cell phone pings placed her there.

My other question is if anyone else knew about the baby's earache. I read that there was no mention of it on Facebook. Did Kaine know? Her mother? Anyone she talked to at school that morning?

The answers wouldn't prove that she's telling the truth, but IF she's guilty, they'd give us an idea whether or not she planned his disappearance. On the one hand, if she plotted his disappearance, and part of her plot would take her to that area, she knew in advance that she might have to explain being there if, say, an eyewitness spotted her, or her cell pings told on her. So, it seems she would've been sure to mention the baby's illness to someone to back up her story later.

On the other hand, if whatever happened was a spur of the moment event, or she planned it on the fly, e.g., something snapped the night before and she acted on an impulse, then I would expect to see holes in her alibi(s) because she didn't have time to plan carefully and cover all of her bases.

Otherwise, she's just really dumb. Or totally innocent.

ETA: Akashana, I see now that I missed your point. :sheesh: You meant that the alibi was a good way to place her away from a crime scene rather than near it. But, as you stated, she'd run the risk of an eyewitness spotting her somewhere else besides the rural roads where she claimed to be. I was thinking along the lines that someone with malicious intentions, lacking a way to prove she was anywhere besides the crime scene, would opt to explain why she was in the vicinity.

 

[ami]

When asked, Kaine could not give an opinion on what type of relationship Kyron and Terri had. So I am not convinced he would have noticed subtle warning signs that his wife was a sociopath. I get the feeling there was little interaction between them in recent months.

Were I Kaine right now, in the face of what might have happened and what TH might have done to him, I would also be hard-pressed to describe the relationship TH and Kyron had. Kaine no longer knows his wife. He doesn't have an inkling what their relationship was like. He probably doesn't even know what their marriage was like. He's got a lot of "...not that I know of" answers going. Had someone asked him that same question at 2pm on June 4th while he worked from home and TH posted Kyron's pictures on facebook, Kaine might have said her relationship with Kyron was great. After hearing (accurately or no) of LE suspicion that she abducted Kyron and the MFH, Kaine probably realizes he had no clue at all what was going on in his life and family.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Me too. 90 minutes driving around to sooth an earache? How about a little children's tylenol. I don't believe her. I mean, I believe she was driving around for 90 minutes--probably on Sauvie Island, but I don't believe it was to ease the baby's earache.

It's plausible to me but not necessarily convincing.

My sister and brother-in-law are both medical doctors. Before my sister went into clinical practise, she did research. Her major research project was into acetomenophen, which is the active ingredient in Tylenol.

She would no more allow her children to be given Tylenol than she would feed them cyanide. She feels, based on her research, that the safety margin is too tight for children and does not feel comfortable giving it to her children.

I would have thought baby K was a little too old for the old car trick to work but maybe not. Guess it depends on the specific child.

This is like all the other evidence in this case: suggestive but nothing I could convict on.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Well, I wonder if the baby had been taken to the doctor and given antibiotics.

I hope YES to the first and NO to the second!

We have a major, massive problem with antibiotic resistance in this country and one of the contributors is doctors who prescribe antibiotics for children's ear infections. Research shows that over 80% of such ear infections resolve without antibiotics. The over 80% who get unnecessary antibiotics are contributing to problems like MRSA, which is a major killer of hospitalised patients in this country (estimates are that more people die of MRSA and similar infections in hospitals in the US every year than die in vehicle crashes).

In Norway, there has been a national push to eliminate the unnecessary prescription of antibiotics. With the results that they don't even have MRSA infections in their country and they can use antibiotics that are outmoded in the rest of the industrialised world because they are still effective in Norway.

This is a huge sore spot for me: I contracted MRSA from the environment and it left me completely disabled. Basically my life is just marking time until I die. I don't want anyone else to suffer this way.

 

[ami]

Is it possible that TH laid as many alibis and verifiable (sorta) evidence of her whereabouts as often as possible, and this 90 minute stretch is simply the only one she couldn't pre-plan to be accounted for? Because she was doing something that necessitated being 'off the grid', and couldn't possibly stop somewhere to get a time-stamped receipt or a sign in?

I wonder if the gym parking lot had security cameras. I wonder if TH signed in, left baby K and then slipped out a side door for 60 minutes of babysitting and alibi? And met up with DS, at which point the two women... did whatever. Or did she sign in at the gym to use the showers? She was only there one hour. I wonder what her usual work out duration was. I have a lot of questions... grrr.

 

[Leila]

I read through the first 12 pages of this thread into the wee hours of the morning, and have just finished catching up with the posts so far today. Everyone has brought up excellent points.

I feel the time line as presented is very weak and full of holes. The most glaring of which is driving around on rural roads aimlessly for nearly 90 minutes because the baby had an earache. But, there's so much more........driving around with groceries for hours, stating the exact times like saying 11:39 instead of "sometime around 11:30am." The sequence is strange too, as most people who have several errands to run, usually make the trip to the grocery store the last stop before going home. If she was planning on going to the gym, why not do that first and then stop at the grocery store on her way home?

But regardless of the time line, there's still the begging question of WHY? If Terri did do something to Kyron, either kill him or hand him off to someone..........WHY? There has to be a motive and in most cases that motive is usually financial gain or the death will somehow benefit the killer. I can't see how Kyron's disappearance or death would benefit Terri? How would Terri stand to gain if Kyron disappeared or died?

 

[angelmom]

I read through the first 12 pages of this thread into the wee hours of the morning, and have just finished catching up with the posts so far today. Everyone has brought up excellent points.

I feel the time line as presented is very weak and full of holes. The most glaring of which is driving around on rural roads aimlessly for nearly 90 minutes because the baby had an earache. But, there's so much more........driving around with groceries for hours, stating the exact times like saying 11:39 instead of "sometime around 11:30am." The sequence is strange too, as most people who have several errands to run, usually make the trip to the grocery store the last stop before going home. If she was planning on going to the gym, why not do that first and then stop at the grocery store on her way home?

But regardless of the time line, there's still the begging question of WHY? If Terri did do something to Kyron, either kill him or hand him off to someone..........WHY? There has to be a motive and in most cases that motive is usually financial gain or the death will somehow benefit the killer. I can't see how Kyron's disappearance or death would benefit Terri? How would Terri stand to gain if Kyron disappeared or died?

BBM...I think that must be when she swiped her card to get into the gym. I know I have to do that at the place I go. Otherwise I agree that no one would remember to the minute. The other times are 8:45 (school bell rings) and 10:10 when she left the last "errand" - probably a receipt or bankcard swipe that shows this time. The afternoon time is not necessarily when she got home, but when she KNOWS she was home b/c she was on fb.

ITA that the big question is WHY. If they can figure that out, I think the rest will fall into place, whether it's Terri or not.

 

[Ladybulldog]

Ear ache does not equal ear infection. Baby K is 18/19 months old. She is probably cutting jaw teeth (wasn't there a teething comment on TH's FaceBook page?). The close proximity of the jaw teeth to the Eustachian Tubes can cause ear pain.
So far, two of my three kids were soothed by riding when their ears hurt from teething.
We simply don't know, and making the leap that because TH said the baby's ear hurt meant she had an ear infection is how rumors get started. The unnamed source needs to give more details if they want this case solved.(I'm sure there is more to her time-line than they are giving to the media and it isn't LE) Speculation and Rumors do not make a person guilty.JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

I read through the first 12 pages of this thread into the wee hours of the morning, and have just finished catching up with the posts so far today. Everyone has brought up excellent points.

I feel the time line as presented is very weak and full of holes. The most glaring of which is driving around on rural roads aimlessly for nearly 90 minutes because the baby had an earache. But, there's so much more........driving around with groceries for hours, stating the exact times like saying 11:39 instead of "sometime around 11:30am." The sequence is strange too, as most people who have several errands to run, usually make the trip to the grocery store the last stop before going home. If she was planning on going to the gym, why not do that first and then stop at the grocery store on her way home?

But regardless of the time line, there's still the begging question of WHY? If Terri did do something to Kyron, either kill him or hand him off to someone..........WHY? There has to be a motive and in most cases that motive is usually financial gain or the death will somehow benefit the killer. I can't see how Kyron's disappearance or death would benefit Terri? How would Terri stand to gain if Kyron disappeared or died?

I suspect one would need to understand the workings of the mind of a person plagued with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder run amok..JMO

 

[seeking truth]

I can't compare TH to Casey...Casey was a train wreck waiting to happen. Look at all the things she did before Caylee. From everything we know, TH had lived a fairly stable life up to this point.

BBM.

What do we REALLY know about this woman? How can we deduce that she has "lived a fairly stable life up to this point?"

She doesn't have swarms of people coming to her defense, describing a wonderful, upper-middle-class wife and mother. Appearances mean nothing. Actions, everything.

The little we DO know kinda points in a different direction from "stable," in my opinion. The early newspaper story, with sources being Terri's family and friends (meaning it was an unbalanced account of the lives of the people in Kyron's life) about her life, how she met Kaine and knew Desiree, well, that has been pretty much disavowed by Desiree.

We have no idea if she has a juvenile record, we DO know she drove drunk with her oldest son in a vehicle, when he was a youngster, we know she was arrested for this, was on probation. Alone, that is bad, but not enough to point to a pattern, I guess. But, there is so much else we have been told about her and really, not too much is positive.

It seems pretty clear that she is a liar, which in my mind means she is NOT stable, nor a good reporter of fact.

My opinions.

 

[BeanE]

I stand corrected, you are right, wouldn't it be interesting to know where the unnamed source got the info. from?

Even if the Unnamed Sources got it directly from Terri, you still have them retelling it to the reporter, and the reporter retelling that version to us.

I really would like some more (a lot more) info directly from the case principals, and even just a smidgen of confirmation from LE.

 

[chasing.halos]

What would Terri gain from Kyron's disappearance? IMO- MONEY (the school "lost" him and a civil suit would take place) and honestly, again, MOO, she would receive the attention I think she constantly craves.