Timeline Discussion

[human]

I think she was counting on the busy teacher not checking her email mid-day during school. How many really do? If there's an emergency you call and talk in person, if you put it in an email they generally respond after school when they've had the chance to sit down and attend to administrative tasks.

TH was a teacher herself. So I'm certain she wasn't expecting a mid-day return email about a non-emergency subject from Kyron's teacher on a day that included a sci fair and a talent show (busy, off-schedule, holiday-feel day).

She was probably doing this to establish that at whatever time the email was sent, she was at home, business as usual, just another caring mom checking out a detail about her child's school needs, all is well, nothing going on here folks, etc.

as I teacher, I check my email at lunch time. But my school situation is such that I would be in my classroom during lunch time. Most teachers go to a lunchroom to have lunch.

I think most teachers, unless they are waiting for something pressing, check after school.

I work through lunch so I can leave school at a decent time. Maybe others do as well.

 

[suzet]

I guess what I can't get past is how anyone could have a drugged or worse child in their truck, go into grocery stores like nothing was wrong, be missing for 90 minutes (presumably disposing of the child), then go into the gym and work out like nothings wrong. We are not talking about Bundy or Manson here, how, if God forbid, the worse had happened was she able to pull that off? Wouldn't the people in the gym notice if she had been acting strange that day? Or, maybe they did and we just don't know. I just can't wrap my mind around it.

*BBM*
I can totally see how TH could pull this off. Heck, she has not shown any emotion thus far for her missing stepson, except for the phoney forced mask of concern at the first presser. Not only do I think she could have done the terrible deed and then gone to the gym without acting strange, as another poster pointed out Chris Coleman did, I would go so far as to say Terri may have been in a wonderful mood at the gym, experiencing the exhileration of relief that she finally succeeded in carrying out her diabolical plan, one of her problems was now solved at her own hands, and she was ready to put it all behind her, get on with her life, and get to work on trying to achieve that bikini body she so desperately craved. My opinion.

 

[Jules71]

*BBM*
Great point! I had also thought very early in this case that Terri may have showered and changed at the gym the morning of June 4. I thought perhaps she brought extra clothes to change into so she could dispose of the original clothes she wore during her driving spree, but I didn't think about her having a duplicate outfit to change into. Heck, if she was thorough, maybe even a duplicate set of shoes. Excellent point on your part!

She could have even thrown away her original clothing in the trash at the gym.

 

[Jack]

I have deleted mine also, but I do know I read something somewhere about a red car and a white pickup on SI...And it was being discussed too... I didn't just pull it out of my rear...Perhaps it was in a comment section of a link that was posted on this site...JMO

I remember it too, but I don't remember where, and I may have replied to it.

 

[Melanie]

On top of baby K's activities all day, she also went to the bus stop? My goodness, when did this child nap during the day? gym? rural road? When was she fed and changed? I can assume that once K didn't get off the bus there was no rest for the baby either. I find it hard to fathom that the baby was sick at all that day. If so, it would make sense for only one parent to go to the bus stop. Why the entire family?

Just my opinion.

Mel

 

[suzet]

She could have even thrown away her original clothing in the trash at the gym.

Interesting. I wonder if she would have taken a chance like that. Imo, if guilty, she knew she had a 6-7 hour jump start on things since no one would find out about Kyron missing until the bus arrived without him on it, so while she had that going for her, if she was thorough or believed LE might be on the ball, she may have thought LE might check the gym if they had reason to believe she was at the gym that day and what if the garbage hadn't been taken out yet? Hmmm. Just a guess, but I think she disposed of the clothes she wore earlier that day during her "driving spree" before she got to the gym and did not go to workout in her driving spree outfit. If guilty, I don't think she would walk into the gym with death on her clothes and I believe she changed outside of her car each time she changed clothes. Not hard to do if you live out in the wilderness. I think we are dealing with at least three to four outfits for that day and at least two of those could be duplicate outfits, (thanks to the poster that pointed out the duplicate outfit scenario). I think the clothes TM wore that day during her driving spree are as well hidden as Kyron is, sorry to say. Poor little guy.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

The first place I saw the SI car/truck sighting being discussed was on the psychic site, but not by a psychic. It was either by a local who had seen it firsthand or by someone who knows a local who saw it firsthand. I can't remember, and I haven't really been taking it too seriously since I haven't heard it mentioned either officially or by unnamed sources. It sounds really intriguing if true, but I'll wait to hear it from someone who actually knows something. Until then it's filed away in the spooky vault, along with the cousin post, the airport sighting, and whatever other "rumors" crop up here and there.

 

[grandmaj]

The red car and the white truck was a rumor. It was in a comment below a news article. Just FYI it is considered rumor.

 

[judithannegg]

1. I WORK OUT at the SAME gym location that SM work(ed) out at! I know I show my card and they scan me in when I show up, but nothing when I leave. So, questions, did SM have little KM with her and checked in at the day care the gym has? If so, I do know they keep records of check-in and check-out for each and every kid. IF she DIDN'T have little KM with her, then there would be no record of her being at the gym for an hour. She could check in, stop by the restroom or drinking fountain, then just walk away for only being in the gym for 1 minute and claim to have been there for an hour.

2. Some people have commented how SM could have left groceries in the car for a long time. Fred Meyer is one of the stores mentioned and they carry everything from clothing to hardware to paint to groceries, so she might have bought something that would not go bad in the car for a length of time.

 

[captivagrl]

Makes more sense to leave baby K with Kaine and pick up both Kyron and the project at the end of the school day, IMO. Unless you need to explain needing the truck and the rest of the alibiing BS.
Also I probably would have baby K see a doctor if her ear was really bothering her, especially since it was a Friday. I would never drop a child at day care that wasn't feeling well just so I could enjoy my workout.

 

[LNL]

1. I WORK OUT at the SAME gym location that SM work(ed) out at! I know I show my card and they scan me in when I show up, but nothing when I leave. So, questions, did SM have little KM with her and checked in at the day care the gym has? If so, I do know they keep records of check-in and check-out for each and every kid. IF she DIDN'T have little KM with her, then there would be no record of her being at the gym for an hour. She could check in, stop by the restroom or drinking fountain, then just walk away for only being in the gym for 1 minute and claim to have been there for an hour.

2. Some people have commented how SM could have left groceries in the car for a long time. Fred Meyer is one of the stores mentioned and they carry everything from clothing to hardware to paint to groceries, so she might have bought something that would not go bad in the car for a length of time.

Are there camera at the gym that record those entering and leaving?

 

[cluciano63]

That is good to know, Judith, so maybe her timing at the gym is based on leaving the baby for that length of time and not on swiping a card to enter the gym itself?

I'm still the one who thinks a horrible accident happened that morning when she agreed to let Kyron come home with her or asked him to, whichever, and he either angered her (perhaps with talk of excitement about going to see his Mom) or just a plain old accident, children have them, and then all the rest is a panicky, clumsy (yet so far, successful) cover-up. The 90-minutes could either be a made up alibi to cover the time she was looking for a spot to leave Kyron hidden and the gym could have been another part of her day she needed to be on a record.

As cynical as I am as a rule (I don't think Kyron is alive) I must also be naive as I am not coming up with any of these spectacular bits and pieces of pre-planning that are being mined here. I think if she called Dede at 11:15 or so, it was to add to her attempt to make the day appear "normal". Clearly she did not think through the part about the baby being sick/fussy, as it is not making much sense. A plan as calculated as some suggest should not have such an obvious flaw.

But of course, if we ever learn the truth, we will probably all be stunned. Though at this point, the most stunning thing would be if she is not involved at all.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I don't get what's so unusual about driving the baby around and why everyone is assuming the baby was sick?
At that age, they're cutting their second year molars and always yanking on their ears and fussing. She probably wanted to go work out so she drove the baby around to get her to go to sleep so she could carry her in the gym asleep and put her right in a crib at the day care.

I agree with the above.

My older nephew we called "Little Buddha" because he was so calm and always smiling. My younger nephew was different. He was a colicky baby and then he went through a period where he had some ear infections.

There were times when it seemed like he was maybe about to get an ear infection but maybe not. Not sick enough for my MD sister to take him to the pediatrician but not quite 100% normal, either. One test was to drive around for awhile with him. If he fell asleep, he was good to go and would stay asleep for hours (he had just gotten over excited). If driving around didn't put him to sleep, then there was something going on, usually an ear infection.

So, in Kyron's case, she went to the science fair with baby K--an event filled with new people and new kids, lots of motion and excitement. Then she went shopping, which meant more unfamiliar environments.

I could believe that baby K got into that fussy, could-be-earache-but-could-be-overexcitement mood.

And if all of the above were true, then I'd put on NPR and cruise around for awhile, see if the moving vehicle magic worked.

I've actually seen a lot worse things happen than taking a cranky toddler with an earache to the gym. We were waiting in line, in the pouring down rain, freezing our @sses off for 3 hours waiting for the mall to open on Black Friday... there was this lady with 3 kids ahead of us. All 3 were under 5 y/o and one was a 6 month old baby... dressed in a pair of thermal pajamas. No umbrellas, no baby bunting or coat or even a hat.. just the jammies and a blanket.
Every time I go somewhere, I always see someone with a young toddler with a trail of snot coming out their nose or hacking everywhere. People DO take their sick kids out to places... it's really not that uncommon.

ETA: She might have taken the truck to bring the project to and from school... but what if the teachers told her that they wanted to leave the projects up until the end of the day? She thought that she could bring it home after the science fair, but they could have told her that it was going on until late morning so they wanted them to stay set up until the end. She had no idea what time Kaine was supposed to come home so maybe she wanted to keep the truck in case she had to pick up the project later? Just sayin..

Long ago, when I was in a very unhappy first marriage, I got to the point where I just didn't want to be at home. I developed a hobby that allowed lots of travel, I took every chance I got to go places and even when I was at home, I got into the habit of just driving around aimlessly.

I'd put NPR or good music on and just drive around so that I didn't have to show up at home. I didn't want to be home and I would do anything to avoid it.

This was before cellphones were so common (and affordable). I had a beeper but darn, that thing, the battery panel was loose and it tended to jog loose when I set my purse down.

This is speculation only but if she didn't know when KH was going to be home, maybe she didn't particularly want to be home either.

The problem with this timeline is the same problem with the rest of the case: there are obvious holes and suspicious areas but all of them could have an innocent explanation as well.

ARGH.

 

[ZL27]

I don't think that Desiree, Kaine, and Tony REALLY believe that Kyron is alive. I think they have known from very close to the time Kyron didn't get off the bus that he was gone.

...respectfully snipped for space.

I agree. I don't think Kaine would be creating a wall of the support letters for Kyron if he thought he was alive. That would be way too morbid for a child.

 

[ZL27]

Not that I think it has much to do with anything, but little sister could have eaten at the gym. It seems there is room for her to do that.

http://www.24hourfitness.com/FindClubDetailGeneric.do?clubid=00561 (photo 4)


For anyone familiar with 24-Hour Fitness policy, is there anyway Terri could have left without clocking out and returned without clocking in, then clocked out at 12:40? TIA

I've never been to a gym where you "clocked out", only where you "clocked in".

 

[human]

1. I WORK OUT at the SAME gym location that SM work(ed) out at! I know I show my card and they scan me in when I show up, but nothing when I leave. So, questions, did SM have little KM with her and checked in at the day care the gym has? If so, I do know they keep records of check-in and check-out for each and every kid. IF she DIDN'T have little KM with her, then there would be no record of her being at the gym for an hour. She could check in, stop by the restroom or drinking fountain, then just walk away for only being in the gym for 1 minute and claim to have been there for an hour.

2. Some people have commented how SM could have left groceries in the car for a long time. Fred Meyer is one of the stores mentioned and they carry everything from clothing to hardware to paint to groceries, so she might have bought something that would not go bad in the car for a length of time.

1. To me , that makes the whole gym time even more ludicrous.

She checks in, drops off the baby, gets ready for her workout, does her work out, cleans up from the work out , and checks the baby out after getting the baby ready to leave.

How much time does that leave for an actual work out?

I can see it if someone is an actual time crunch, but at the MOST a 45 minute work out for an exercise fanatic?

Even slugly me doesn't go for less than an hour. And that is actual exercise time, not get ready and clean up time.

 

[ZL27]

In Norway, there has been a national push to eliminate the unnecessary prescription of antibiotics. With the results that they don't even have MRSA infections in their country and they can use antibiotics that are outmoded in the rest of the industrialised world because they are still effective in Norway.

This is a huge sore spot for me: I contracted MRSA from the environment and it left me completely disabled. Basically my life is just marking time until I die. I don't want anyone else to suffer this way.

First, I'm so sorry to hear about the effect MRSA had on you. A relative recently contracted it and was extremely lucky to be able to heal from it completely.

Second, I completely agree that we overuse antibiotics.

But, I just wanted to point out that "outmoded" antibiotics are an option here as well. Because they haven't been used heavily in recent years, bacteria haven't had a chance to develop resistance to them. I'll see if I can find a link to the study I recently read, if anybody is interested.

 

[txsvicki]

I figure Terri drove 30-45 minutes away then the 30-45 minutes back from some location. Or, she could have been fairly nearby and it took her 1.5 hours to do something or meet someone. The question about meeting someone to hand off Kyron is that he was not there with her at the grocery stores, unless he was in some storage container. Going to two different stores and what she bought might be a key. There would be no reason for Terri to have disappeared for 1.5 hours if she had thoroughly planned to hide Kyron. If the baby was cranky, she could have given tylenol and waited 30 minutes for it to take effect then went right on to the gym because that's what she did anyway. I wonder if her excuse for going to two different stores was to pick up different on sale items. If so, the wasting 1.5 hours of gas in a big pickup is hogwash! Who on earth would do that in this economy, and Terri didn't look like they could afford really nice clothes or really good haircuts and highlites.

 

[ZL27]

Tony is a detective. Wouldn't he have noticed something a little 'off' before all this went down?

I think my stepdad has spent all of about 20 minutes (cumulative) talking to my stepmom over the last 11 years.

 

[RubyRed]

Investigation focuses on holes in Terri Horman's story

Investigators have been comparing where she said she was with what they have been able to establish about her movements that day.

There are some things she did that day that were confirmed.

She went to the gym for about 45 minutes that morning and arrived home about 1 p.m. to post pictures from the science fair on her Facebook page.

Surveillance video from stores she said she was at,along with roads she claims to have traveled were being studied to test the veracity of where she said she was for a portion of the morning.


http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html