Timeline Discussion

[chasing.halos]

And as an added bonus, the attention she craves, as you, yourself, pointed out below. A widow with two young children who lost her husband to murder or an accident, if it was staged that way, would garner a lot of sympathy. Unless she became a suspect. But an individual who would harm or kill for attention wouldn't give much consideration to being blamed.

As for the Hormans living a normal life, appearances are everything. Narcissists seek out partners who are either gullible or simply don't question the status quo. Kaine might be that type of man. As long as everything appeared all right on the surface, he assumed all was well. The PPD, if it really was PPD, got his attention, but when Terri seemed to have calmed down a month or two before Kyron's disappearance, he assumed she was better. No crying and screaming, eh, she's good. Had he given it more thought, he might've found that just the opposite was true. Not bashing him. I know a lot of men like that.

EXACTLY! Sorry, the "thanks" button was not enough

 

[chasing.halos]

Investigation focuses on holes in Terri Horman's story

Investigators have been comparing where she said she was with what they have been able to establish about her movements that day.

There are some things she did that day that were confirmed.

She went to the gym for about 45 minutes that morning and arrived home about 1 p.m. to post pictures from the science fair on her Facebook page.

Surveillance video from stores she said she was at,along with roads she claims to have traveled were being studied to test the veracity of where she said she was for a portion of the morning.


http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

Also from the article:

She told investigators that she drove Baby K around a series of rural roads for an hour, saying she was trying to calm her down because she didn't feel well. Meanwhile, she told some of her friends that Baby K had an earache.
Interesting...

 

[ZL27]

Also from the article:

She told investigators that she drove K around a series of rural roads for an hour, saying she was trying to calm her down because she didn't feel well. Meanwhile, she told some of her friends that K had an earache.
Interesting...

You might want to change the baby's name to Baby K.

 

[judithannegg]

Are there camera at the gym that record those entering and leaving?

I don't know about any cameras, but I do know you have to show your card and they scan your card in BEFORE you can check your kid into the daycare. Once you are in the gym, there is a separate line inside the gym that runs outside of the daycare room. You have to wait outside while the next person checks their kid in. They are very, very particular about sick children. It does not make ANY sense to have a sick kid, keep them in the car for a long time with an ear infection, then take them to the gym daycare.

Also, with the daycare, I will be working out and they will make announcements over the PA system for a certain parent to show up at the daycare (ie. their kid is uncontrollable, crying, sick, etc.) and they have made the same announcments over and over and I always wondered if the parents decided to go for a run in the area (it is within a fairly level business park with a recreation center with running paths nearby) and decided to take their chances with their kids behaving. You can check in at the front desk, check in with the daycare, and actually leave because the daycare people would not be able to see that you actually left the building for a while, then came back in.

With ear infections, getting them the medication is much easier than driving them around. Also, I live very close to Skyline/Hormans/Home where DDS was working on, so this is hitting home very, very close to home.

 

[suzet]

1. To me , that makes the whole gym time even more ludicrous.

She checks in, drops off the baby, gets ready for her workout, does her work out, cleans up from the work out , and checks the baby out after getting the baby ready to leave.

How much time does that leave for an actual work out?

I can see it if someone is an actual time crunch, but at the MOST a 45 minute work out for an exercise fanatic?

Even slugly me doesn't go for less than an hour. And that is actual exercise time, not get ready and clean up time.

I don't think she was there to really work out or cared if anyone knew whether or not she did a decent workout that day, time wise. I think she went there to shower and establish a partial alibi and tried to make it look like a normal day. I don't think she was thinking that anyone would question the length of time she worked out that day, imo, because in her mind, Kyron was already gone for good, if that makes sense. Besides, she was very very anxious to get home and post the Science Fair photos.

 

[nursebeeme]

I read through the first 12 pages of this thread into the wee hours of the morning, and have just finished catching up with the posts so far today. Everyone has brought up excellent points.

I feel the time line as presented is very weak and full of holes. The most glaring of which is driving around on rural roads aimlessly for nearly 90 minutes because the baby had an earache. But, there's so much more........driving around with groceries for hours, stating the exact times like saying 11:39 instead of "sometime around 11:30am." The sequence is strange too, as most people who have several errands to run, usually make the trip to the grocery store the last stop before going home. If she was planning on going to the gym, why not do that first and then stop at the grocery store on her way home?

But regardless of the time line, there's still the begging question of WHY? If Terri did do something to Kyron, either kill him or hand him off to someone..........WHY? There has to be a motive and in most cases that motive is usually financial gain or the death will somehow benefit the killer. I can't see how Kyron's disappearance or death would benefit Terri? How would Terri stand to gain if Kyron disappeared or died?

full of holes... I agree... and media reporting

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

and where was the baby during the science fair and the driving around aimlessly on backroads?

 

[Chewy]

Something has been bothering me about the earache. If she was taking Kyron to the pediatrician the following week and Baby K had an earache, I would think the natural thing for the mother to do would be to schedule an appointment for the baby as well since she is going anyway. Now having had a toddler and a 7 year old I would make sure that I had an appointment because there is nothing worse than sitting and waiting in the waiting room with a fussy toddler to be seen. Then again I live in NYC so there's usually a pretty long wait even with an appointment I don't know if out there it would be the same.

 

[RubyRed]

full of holes... I agree... and media reporting

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

and where was the baby during the science fair and the driving around aimlessly on backroads?

Kaine has said baby K was with Terri at the SF and we have since heard TH was driving baby K on back roads because of an earache.

 

[judithannegg]

Just reading on another website and someone was asking if someone could check someone else in the gym. Yes, at SM's and mine gym. You just hand over your card and they scan it in. You are supposed to have ID with you in case they check your name versus ID, but, in 7 years, they have not done that with me. So, theoretically, someone could use your card and have you checked in; however, very hard to do with daycare because the workers there usually know who the parents are.

So, if you wanted to create an alibi, you could have a very good friend use your card to check you in, then she could leave in a minute and you could SAY you were there for an hour or so, but probably only if you did not have a kid in the daycare.................

 

[txsvicki]

Wonder if the baby was given tylenol with antihistamine for sleep or if she was given anything. Should Terri have done something, the baby could be very traumatized or hopefully asleep. The driving around unaccounted for that long is very scary and not fitting with some well laid preplanning.

 

[human]

I don't think she was there to really work out or cared if anyone knew whether or not she did a decent workout that day, time wise. I think she went there to shower and establish a partial alibi and tried to make it look like a normal day. I don't think she was thinking that anyone would question the length of time she worked out that day, imo, because in her mind, Kyron was already gone for good, if that makes sense. Besides, she was very very anxious to get home and post the Science Fair photos.

yup, I totally agree.

And interestingly enough, the time I figured for an actual work out was right. 45 minutes. Nope, the work out was just part of someplan.

 

[xin]

yup, I totally agree.

And interestingly enough, the time I figured for an actual work out was right. 45 minutes. Nope, the work out was just part of someplan.

I wish we knew about the possibility of clothes-changing and if various clothing is accounted for, that is, if it wasn't in the wash with the sheets her *friend* came over and washed. Driving clothes, workout clothes and clothes worn home.

Oh, and the earache driving around on rural roads for 90 mins is a crock if I ever heard one. Puh-leeze, TH. Please talk sense.


IMHO

 

[Barry]

Gee Whiz!

I thought keeping up with 2 small kids was crazy! Trying to keep up with this case is beyond crazy!!!! TH and DS could have switched vehicles, cell phones, credit cards to throw timeline off since they look so much alike. I just hope they aren't as similar when it comes to behaving like an ice princess when a precious little peanut like Kyron is missing!

ITA, but what bothers me is, why go through all this planning and complexity, and then come up with one of the lamest alibi claims I have ever heard? This is the weirdest case :beamup:

 

[human]

I wish we knew about the possibility of clothes-changing and if various clothing is accounted for, that is, if it wasn't in the wash with the sheets her *friend* came over and washed. Driving clothes, workout clothes and clothes worn home.

Oh, and the earache driving around on rural roads for 90 mins is a crock if I ever heard one. Puh-leeze, TH. Please talk sense.


IMHO

I don't see any problem of dropping the clothes in trash anywhere, like at a gas station , for instance. Put them in a paper bag and put them into the trash.

 

[Aedrys]

I think she did have a plan. Not a well thought out one because I don't think she ever thought she'd have to really explain herself to anyone, but a just in case sort of plan to cover herself. I think she told Kyron to meet her out at the truck. I think it's possible she had a container that wouldn't look out of place in the back of that truck, like an ice chest. I think she possibly sedated baby K so baby K wouldn't a problem or get in Terri's way or seeing anything that was about to happen. Kyron probably thought baby K was just sleeping when he got into the car, and then Terri drove somewhere and killed him, and then put his body in the container. She either tried to get rid of it, or kept it with her and then did things like go to the store to give herself an alibi. After the store, in either case, I think she actually had a freak out moment, worrying about getting into trouble for what she did. I think she drove around a bit, and I think she at some point called Dede and told her she needed Dede right now or it was time for them to meet like they had planned to do.

I think she met Dede to either give Dede the container for Dede to get rid of or to tell Dede to go move it because she was too nervous about where she had dumped it, and then while Dede did that, she drove off, changed clothes, and then went to the gym to alibi herself even more. It's possible she lied to Dede about the contents of the container, or being good friends, she told her the truth and Dede decided to help her. Or maybe she had drugged Kyron, and he had an allergic reaction to whatever she drugged him with and died, and Dede helped her get rid of him since their plan of just holding on to him for a few days to scare Kaine had backfired. It may have started out as a plan to just scare Kaine and eventually return Kyron, but then he died and that changed everything. Maybe Dede was meeting her to get a live Kyron, but when she got there, he was dead instead and she helped Terri cover it up. There are many scenarios here, but Dede either met her as a concerned friend and became an unwitting accomplice, or met her as a willing accomplice and helped her carry out a plan.

Then Dede met her at the gym later to tell her the container was gone and no one would find it, or that the situation was taken care of, and then they went on with their day thinking the police were going focus on perverts casing the school and not two housewives kidnapping, killing, and getting rid of Kyron. Or Terri believed she wouldn't be caught at all, and maybe even had a shower to wash Kyron off of her hands without telling Dede what happened, and felt sure the police would focus on a pedophile and not her. I believe Terri was absolutely shocked that things focused on her, and she just couldn't come up with a good excuse to cover that 90 minute time period other than baby K not feeling well or having an earache. She really didn't think she'd had to cover herself at all, and would get sympathy and attention for a missing child. Dede was either willing or unwitting participant in this whole thing, but I just can't decide which yet.

That's my theory on what I think happened. I don't know if that's what actually happened, but ever since I heard about that 90 minute drive, this theory has made a whole lot of sense to me. I know there's probably holes I haven't thought of, but I do think this is what might have happened.

 

[human]

ITA, but what bothers me is, why go through all this planning and complexity, and then come up with one of the lamest alibi claims I have ever heard? This is the weirdest case :beamup:

because if she has lied about things in her life and gotten away with them, it's part of her way of living.

I don't think liars worry about their lies.

I don't think it would cross her mind to a great big extent that anyone would question her. I bet she hasn't gotten too much flak about her lies in her life.

 

[ella971]

I think her actions show how much she would of cared of her baby who was sick. She gave up her rights and left town. Actions do speak louder than words.

 

[human]

another thing about her clothes. Who would know how many identical outfits that she had? If I like a brand, I stick with it. So she could have 5 outfits that were the same.

Certainly her hubby wouldn't know the difference. Who else would know if an outfit ws missing?

The thing that is very odd to me-super odd, is that I read that she was in her gym clothes when Kaine came home.

Seriously, who wears their stinky gym clothes after a work out?

 

[BeanE]

Surveillance video from stores she said she was at,along with roads she claims to have traveled were being studied to test the veracity of where she said she was for a portion of the morning.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

Wait. Whoa. Hold the phone. Kyron's been gone 51 days, and they're just now examining the videos from the stores she visited to verify she was there?

This is July 25. The videos had already been turned in by July 9.

Isn't it kind of important to verify what Terri says? Or is it just me?

 

[cypress]

I took a self-imposed break. And I came back to this hot mess.

What I realized on my self-imposed break is that some of the more out-there things about this case, not from a damning perspective, are probably true.

Baby K is 20 months old. She is probably teething. Babies sometimes get earaches when they're teething and these types of non-infection earaches don't require medicine or a doctor's appointment. For better or worse, Terri has mothered three babies. This is something she'd know about. Babies also sometimes get relief from an earache by sitting up. The simple act of sitting up relieves the pressure on the inner ear.

Terri is a stay at home mom. Maybe she's lonely and didn't want to go home. Maybe she likes to drive. I LOVE to drive. People who don't love to drive don't understand my love of driving, that it's relaxing and almost cathartic for me. Driving around is a technique some parents use to deal with fussy children. A few weeks ago my husband was out for a run and he passed some friends of ours who do not live in our neighborhood. When he asked what they were doing, they said they were driving around because they were going to a friend's house but their daughters were very fussy and they wanted to calm them and try to "drive them to sleep."

I absolutely believe it's possible that the earache and the driving around to alleviate aforementioned earache are true. This would also explain why Terri felt okay about taking the baby to the gym. The baby wasn't sick, not really; she could've been teething. What stumps me is the amount of time she spent driving around. Or, maybe she'd done this before, and is using it as cover now.

A little OT but not really is that when things like this happen, people tend to revert to absolutes. DY and KH are wearing halos and Terri is wearing the horns. I think what's making this so confusing, and why some of the pieces don't fit is that there are a lot of horns to go around, but we can't talk about it or people don't want to see it, or whatever the case may be, and I respect that this site is victim friendly but the truest victim in all this, the only truly helpless one, is Kyron -- maybe not all the bad/guilty/inappropriate/weird behavior contributed to Kyron's disappearance, but it possibly contributed to what led up to Kyron's disappearance.

None of this happened in a vacuum, and IMHO, until this situation is seen for what it truly is -- a group of adults who ultimately failed this child -- Kyron will not be brought home and why he's missing will not be truly understood.

IMHO, what's so confusing about this case aren't the lies, it's all the little truths interwoven with the lies.