Timeline Discussion

[Noway]

Link?

I was already on my way back over there to find it.

QUOTE:

"I asked if [they were] still searching," Wise said, "and they said, 'We just have a couple lose ends we're following up on.'"

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Mary Lindstrom said 30-or-so searchers were out again. However, she said it's a routine part of the investigation, and not directly tied to a new tip.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/99180424.html

 

[xin]

Wait. Whoa. Hold the phone. Kyron's been gone 51 days, and they're just now examining the videos from the stores she visited to verify she was there?

This is July 25. The videos had already been turned in by July 9.

Isn't it kind of important to verify what Terri says? Or is it just me?

So they are re-checking the vids, and checking the times from point to point to point, her complete road trip with the sick baby, to see if the times and distances figure right. To me, this suggests she may have recently changed her story so they look at the tapes and times in concert with her claims for the rural road route and times. Looking at stuff a new way, based on new details, possibly emerging via Dede's June 4th stories.

Dede could be involved simply as an emergency babysitter, or maybe (so far as gym and appearance) just accepted an offer for a work-out at the gym. At any rate, TH's story had to probably be modified once DeDe became part of the LE picture, so, at least a week ago. I can't think of any innocent reason DeDe would be tailing the white truck on Sauvee, but that's not substantiated.

imo/guesstion

 

[Snowball58]

No, I disagree. From following all the cases I have for many years, LE checks everything to corroborate it. They have to, to collect evidence for trial.

And besides, they've had the tapes prior to July 9. They should have been checked by now.

I'm positively floored. They should have checked them immediately to rule her in or rule her out. Because if she's innocent, then the person who did this (whatever this ends up being) is out there, and needs to be caught, so we can find out what happened to Kyron and where he is.

This also goes back to what I posted on another thread about my concerns about there being only 3 people checking all the thousands of pages of records that have been subpoenaed. This needs to move faster. Kyron needs to be found.

You're absolutely right. What I was thinking is maybe she didn't tell them initially which specific stores she visited and didn't give a trackable timeline, but later on she told them which stores she visited. But who knows - if LE has been waiting to corroborate her whereabouts - I'm floored. And VERY worried for Kyron.

But I just must choose the side of hope and believe that LE is acting appropriately and strategically. It's the only way I can remain optimistic that there will be justice for Kyron. SIGH.

 

[cluciano63]

I was already on my way back over there to find it.

"I asked if [they were] still searching," Wise said, "and they said, 'We just have a couple lose ends we're following up on.'"

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Mary Lindstrom said 30-or-so searchers were out again. However, she said it's a routine part of the investigation, and not directly tied to a new tip.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/99180424.html

Umm...okay.

 

[Noway]

It's not a new tip ... it's one that was submitted that they are just getting around to?

 

[BeanE]

You're absolutely right. What I was thinking is maybe she didn't tell them initially which specific stores she visited and didn't give a trackable timeline, but later on she told them which stores she visited. But who knows - if LE has been waiting to corroborate her whereabouts - I'm floored. And VERY worried for Kyron.

But I just must choose the side of hope and believe that LE is acting appropriately and strategically. It's the only way I can remain optimistic that there will be justice for Kyron. SIGH.

I think LE has all good intentions, and are competent, I'm just not sure they have the $$$ for enough personnel and/or overtime.

 

[momoftwo2002]

bbm

I don't think it took her that long to drive home ... just that by 1:21 p.m. she was posting pictures.

The second article posted indicated she had said she arrived home about 1 p.m. That would be about 20 minutes.

She went to the gym for about 45 minutes that morning and arrived home about 1 p.m. to post pictures from the science fair on her Facebook page.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

Good point. I just let anything TH said go in one ear and out the other though. I was going by the window of time that could be proven which would be video/sign out at the gym and then the facebook postings. But you are correct she did say she got home about 1 p.m. and she probably did use up time bringing the baby in the house, etc. before she started posting on facebook.

 

[Leila]

Leila, on another board, I read that LE was following up on loose ends not because of any new tip.

I had thought maybe Dede was talking.

ETA

"I asked if [they were] still searching," Wise said, "and they said, 'We just have a couple lose ends we're following up on.'"

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Mary Lindstrom said 30-or-so searchers were out again. However, she said it's a routine part of the investigation, and not directly tied to a new tip.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/99180424.html

Thanks Noway! I had hoped DD was talking too, and LE had some new info.

 

[cluciano63]

What "loose ends"? Did a searcher just tell them that they skipped a portion of their assigned section? That answer makes no sense to me. It is not as though they did not do a thorough search before.

 

[Chili Fries]

Wait. Whoa. Hold the phone. Kyron's been gone 51 days, and they're just now examining the videos from the stores she visited to verify she was there?

This is July 25. The videos had already been turned in by July 9.

Isn't it kind of important to verify what Terri says? Or is it just me?

Checking video, re-canvassing the neighborhood around the school and the new search could very well be just extra precautions to plug holes in a possible defense, if and when Terri goes to trial. The guy who talked to the searchers today said they told him they were following up loose ends. With the surveillance they have to be very sure that they account for exactly what they are seeing on whatever video they have before they enter it into evidence and the defense gets to look at it. You don't want to say Terri is not on a tape and then have the defense see her in the background somewhere or something like that.

 

[Wrinkles]

Well, if you say you have driven for 90 minutes (or however long it was) on rural roads, it would explain all of the varying types of dust, sand, dirt, brush, bush, pollen, seed etc stuck in the car frame. If you have that kind of information all dog piled together, where might they focus their attention in a search? If there was a singular type of brush or seed or sand known to be found in only one area, they could focus a search there. IF there were collections representing 20 different possible areas -- where do you begin the search and over how many square miles would that take searchers?

 

[Wrinkles]

I'm still thinking about oddities mentioned, like Kyron saying something about an electric project, like the note that Kyron's allergy to bee stings was not originally noted -- but it was later on and that Desiree mentioned Terri couldn't even tell the truth about a bee sting. Do these things have any part of the real whole picture or they just incidental?

 

[SmoothOperator]

I'm still thinking about oddities mentioned, like Kyron saying something about an electric project, like the note that Kyron's allergy to bee stings was not originally noted -- but it was later on and that Desiree mentioned Terri couldn't even tell the truth about a bee sting. Do these things have any part of the real whole picture or they just incidental?

Just was wondering what you were talking about in reference to DY saying "Terri couldnt tell the truth about a bee sting" I remember the info about Kyron being allergic to bees came out pretty late in the game but had not heard this about Terri lying about bee sting? Am not questioning whether its true, I totally believe you just am wondering what that was about cuz Id never heard that.. TIA

 

[wondering1]

Just was wondering what you were talking about in reference to DY saying "Terri couldnt tell the truth about a bee sting" I remember the info about Kyron being allergic to bees came out pretty late in the game but had not heard this about Terri lying about bee sting? Am not questioning whether its true, I totally believe you just am wondering what that was about cuz Id never heard that.. TIA

DY said something like TH lied about silly things, like a bee sting. She said this some time after the family provided personal information about Kyron, like his stork bite and that he is allergic to bees. There's a discussion about it here somewhere.

 

[BeanE]

Just was wondering what you were talking about in reference to DY saying "Terri couldnt tell the truth about a bee sting" I remember the info about Kyron being allergic to bees came out pretty late in the game but had not heard this about Terri lying about bee sting? Am not questioning whether its true, I totally believe you just am wondering what that was about cuz Id never heard that.. TIA

Desiree: “She can’t even tell the truth about her divorce or, you know, how she met Kaine, any of that,” Young says. “Silly little things. Stories about Kyron getting stung by a bee she can’t even tell the truth about.”

 

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Smooth... BeanE found it before I could...

Here is an article:
>>Young says Terri Horman was a frequent liar about matters large and small.

&#8220;She can&#8217;t even tell the truth about her divorce or, you know, how she met Kaine, any of that,&#8221; Young says. &#8220;Silly little things. Stories about Kyron getting stung by a bee she can&#8217;t even tell the truth about.&#8221;<<

 

[AvalonBlue]

Quote:
Originally Posted by judithannegg
Also, with the daycare, I will be working out and they will make announcements over the PA system for a certain parent to show up at the daycare (ie. their kid is uncontrollable, crying, sick, etc.) and they have made the same announcments over and over and I always wondered if the parents decided to go for a run in the area (it is within a fairly level business park with a recreation center with running paths nearby) and decided to take their chances with their kids behaving. You can check in at the front desk, check in with the daycare, and actually leave because the daycare people would not be able to see that you actually left the building for a while, then came back in.

So...you are raising the possibility that TH *might* have dropped baby K at the gym daycare and then left, which would give her a cover story for where she was at that time. This is of interest because the time she was at the gym coincides with the time that DDS was out of contact with the people at the house where she was working.

ABSOLUTELY!!! This scenario with TH and DDS is what I've been thinking about since last night and with the very important info judithannegg has provided, I can really see it as a viable possibility.

I'm still wondering about the security cameras, so perhaps judithannegg you can give us some more insight? TIA!

 

[AvalonBlue]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanE
Wait. Whoa. Hold the phone. Kyron's been gone 51 days, and they're just now examining the videos from the stores she visited to verify she was there?

This is July 25. The videos had already been turned in by July 9.

Isn't it kind of important to verify what Terri says? Or is it just me?

She may have given LE a different account of her whereabouts until recently (or said she couldn't remember exactly where she went or in what order, etc.), but maybe she changed her story, hence the request for video tapes? Or perhaps the failed polygraph was about her schedule that day. I trust that LE had no reason to check those tapes before - something about her story must have changed for them to just now be corroborating her timeline for that day.

As for the delay in viewing the tapes, perhaps LE just doesn't want to comment, so they give a generic statement that they are examining the tapes.

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I think the tapes have been previously viewed and verified/not verified as fitting/not fitting with TH's first and her subsequent stories of June 4th. I'm hoping all video of stores, the gym, the roads, etc. are being reviewed once again.

With the updated and new info we received this week, I can see LE needing to review again in light of what we think we've learned about possible involvement by DDS in some manner -- even if it's just to look for her truck or her car. Also, perhaps LE has still been receiving video from others who have just been getting it in or just realizing they were in possession of video that might be important considering the new developments.

Also, just like with the search Saturday near Skyline School -- one TV news report said the search resulted from a new tip -- while another said the search crew said they were "just tying up loose ends."

I'm hopeful that EVERYTHING is being reviewed, that LE is double double-checking those dotted I's and crossed T's, and all is being coordinated with the DA's office, etc. for (maybe?) some big news next week.
:behindbar ???

And, I do think it's important to keep in mind (even though it drives most of us crazy) that LE is probably still wording certain things in ways that may shake loose more truth from the potential new sources who have surfaced very recently.
:truce:

 

[Morag]

According to the PTA President, she saw Terri and Kyron at about 8:15. No other specific time for a sighting of either of them at school has been mentioned. If TP is to be believed, and he did see/talk to Kyron, that must have been sometime after the bus he (TP) rode arrived. Bus 146 arrives at approximately 8:30, so allowing for unloading, shuffling through the halls, etc, he couldn't have seen Kyron any earlier than 8:35-ish. If Terri was at the school then, her phone pings would have been there. If she was elsewhere, then TP could be a witness to Kyron being alone at the school.
Yes, TP might have been driven to school, but Granma didn't mention having been at the school herself that day.

And regardless of what TP saw or didn't see, where did Terri's phone pings show her to be during that half hour? She said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45. If so, her phone pings should have shown her quite near to the school at that time.

And if they don't, and TP's story is accurate, then Kyron was seen at the school after Terri left.

And who brought K (the boy whose picture Terri took because his mom couldn't be there) to school that day? If he rode the bus, then that means that he couldn't have had his picture taken any earlier than 8:30 or so. The older kid who saw Kyron in the gym- same thing. They- unless they were driven to school- couldn't have seen Kyron or Terri any earlier than after the buses arrived.

So if Kyron was seen after 830-835, and Terri's phone pings showed her to be elsewhere, she is not the one who removed him from the school.

Skyline bus schedule:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts-c/bus/index.php

 

[GrainneDhu]

No, I disagree. From following all the cases I have for many years, LE checks everything to corroborate it. They have to, to collect evidence for trial.

And besides, they've had the tapes prior to July 9. They should have been checked by now.

I'm positively floored. They should have checked them immediately to rule her in or rule her out. Because if she's innocent, then the person who did this (whatever this ends up being) is out there, and needs to be caught, so we can find out what happened to Kyron and where he is.

This also goes back to what I posted on another thread about my concerns about there being only 3 people checking all the thousands of pages of records that have been subpoenaed. This needs to move faster. Kyron needs to be found.

BBM

BeanE, Sheriff Staton said:

The investigators right now — we've got about 20. We're still being supported by other agencies and these agencies are working with our detectives. The bulk of our detectives are committed to this investigation and what we've done is we've re-prioritized the investigations that we're currently looking at, but the bulk of and the contingency of our detectives unit is now assigned to this investigation.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html

I'm not sure where you're getting the number of three investigators from.