Timeline Discussion

[cluciano63]

Of course you're right ; if no one saw Kyron leaving with her, the rest of that morning is moot. And if there is even one person who says they either saw Kyron after she left, or saw her driving off alone, then that could explain why there has not been an arrest. I guess the answer could well be in the questionnaire results....

All JMO

But surely they have been thru the results of the flyer by now...a couple of hundred forms should not have taken long to read thru and compare and I'm guessing they did not get what they need.

If Terri had "handed Kyron off" to someone, for whatever initial reason, it would be the perfect time, now that Kaine has "betrayed" her and taken her daughter, etc. to tell LE she did it because Kaine was abusing Kyron, make all sort of allegations against Kaine, alluding to his brother, etc...that would have to be investigated even if totally false. I think if she could retrieve Kyron she would do so, and try to place the blame on Kaine or even Desiree, if she hates her enough. She could even say that Kyron had told her he was being abused in Medford and she was trying to "save" him.

If she is truly evil yet did not kill Kyron, this is something she might do. It is better than having people think you killed him if you didn't.

 

[seeking truth]

This is the most bizarre story - if Terri did kill Kyron and disposed of him, it's one of those murders we wouldn't expect from a mom - really twisted and sick. I doubt he's in the water or anything mom-like. Think of pedophile child predator, only with motive for making sure the body is never found. moo mho

What the heck is this story about going on rural roads to sooth an earache? The earache story doesn't fit in and I fear it's to cover for something she bought at the store - like Benadryl (diphenhydramine) to put Kyron to sleep. Wonder what she bought that would need a cover-up story? moo

Wonder if Terri went to her friend's house to clean up? Surely she needed to change clothes after murdering and disposing of Kyron. Maybe that's where De was useful. moo

This would be a ruthless, brutal murder of a child by a woman without a psychopathic history. Either signs and patterns were missed by all those close to her or she snapped. A person doesn't just become a murderous psychopath at the age of 40 - there are signs along the way..were they missed by everyone or is she being falsely accused? moo mho :waitasec:

BBM.

We know next to nothing about Terri Moulton Horman. She could have been exhibiting all kinds of signs and patterns for most, or all, of her life. We don't know if she has a diagnosed (or undiagnosed) psychopathic history. As you also say above, the signs could have been missed. Or, people just didn't recognize what the signs meant. As for patterns, wouldn't only a professional, or someone who studied psychopaths, really SEE and RECOGNIZE the patterns?

My thoughts on this, and also my OPINIONS.

 

[BeanE]

But, BeanE, where has it eve been said that Kaine did not notice that anything was wrong? It may have taken hours or days, especially when her stories weren't adding up, but surely Kaine came to realize that something was off with Terri that afternoon.

Multiple interviews with him, the most recent just the other day at the Wall of Hope.

 

[BeanE]

Of course you're right ; if no one saw Kyron leaving with her, the rest of that morning is moot. And if there is even one person who says they either saw Kyron after she left, or saw her driving off alone, then that could explain why there has not been an arrest. I guess the answer could well be in the questionnaire results....

All JMO

There is one person we know of who said he saw Kyron after Terri left. The little classmate. And you can bet that Houze has the video of him saying so. That one, short, few little seconds of the classmate saying that causes a world of consternation for the DA. :cow:

 

[ClueMeIn]

What the heck is this story about going on rural roads to sooth an earache? The earache story doesn't fit in and I fear it's to cover for something she bought at the store - like Benadryl (diphenhydramine) to put Kyron to sleep. Wonder what she bought that would need a cover-up story? moo

Interesting point. Although if it was pre meditated she should have thought to buy the Benadryl in advance. Unless she was buying something to use as an alibi. But if that were the case you would think she would buy something like a bottle of water, or something not to use in the drugging of a child...but..but...::::::runs out of the room screaming::::!

 

[seeking truth]

Of course you're right ; if no one saw Kyron leaving with her, the rest of that morning is moot. And if there is even one person who says they either saw Kyron after she left, or saw her driving off alone, then that could explain why there has not been an arrest. I guess the answer could well be in the questionnaire results....

All JMO

BBM

I have to disagree with the assumption that, if no one saw Terri leave with Kyron then nothing else she did that morning matters. This will probably be a circumstantial case (a very strong one, in my opinion) and everything will be put together to paint the scenario...it already stands out to many of us.

It is sad and it was simple. She took Kyron out of school, murdered him and hid his body. She lied about just about everything, she continues to lie, to evade, to behave badly, and this won't be hard to show a jury, in my opinion; whether or not Kyron's body is found, whether or not anyone can say they saw her leave with Kyron that morning.

All my OPINION.

 

[cluciano63]

What do we know for sure she lied about?

 

[seeking truth]

There is one person we know of who said he saw Kyron after Terri left. The little classmate. And you can bet that Houze has the video of him saying so. That one, short, few little seconds of the classmate saying that causes a world of consternation for the DA. :cow:

BBM.

Maybe, but they can also impeach his grandmother for going against FBI (?) instructions regarding not speaking to the media. Plus, who knows what LE has dug up on this family. If I remember correctly, they know Terri and could have coached the little boy to lie for her.

The DA can get the grandmother, seen in the same news segment, on the stand and just go to town with her. The DA can ask the little boy some carefully worded questions, and since it is likely that his story is one that is made up, or the little guy is confused on times, I feel pretty sure his say-so is not going to cause Terri to go free, once arrested for this horrendous crime.

Just my opinions.

 

[ThoughtFox]

BBM.

We know next to nothing about Terri Moulton Horman. She could have been exhibiting all kinds of signs and patterns for most, or all, of her life. We don't know if she has a diagnosed (or undiagnosed) psychopathic history. As you also say above, the signs could have been missed. Or, people just didn't recognize what the signs meant. As for patterns, wouldn't only a professional, or someone who studied psychopaths, really SEE and RECOGNIZE the patterns?

My thoughts on this, and also my OPINIONS.

I totally agree. :thumb:

 

[Donjeta]

There is one person we know of who said he saw Kyron after Terri left. The little classmate. And you can bet that Houze has the video of him saying so. That one, short, few little seconds of the classmate saying that causes a world of consternation for the DA. :cow:

Did TP really say it was after Terri left? IIRC in the video I saw he said that he saw Kyron but he didn't say anything about what time it was. The reporter said it was "about the same time", referring to 8:45. but TP didn't say anything about the time on the video. Then his granny said he told her that he saw Terri leaving without Kyron but she didn't say anything about whether it was before or after he saw Kyron.
Is there another video with TP or another classmate?

 

[akashana]

But, BeanE, where has it eve been said that Kaine did not notice that anything was wrong? It may have taken hours or days, especially when her stories weren't adding up, but surely Kaine came to realize that something was off with Terri that afternoon.

Even if Kaine didn't notice, that still doesn't mean much. Your comparison to Bundy is a good one, I think, as they both appear to have most (if not all) of the traits of a psychopath. (Terry and Ted, I mean). One classic trait of a psychopath is a lack of nervousness and any signs of stress. Even when caught in the most horrendous of lies. They just don't feel these emotions and physical reactions; or if they do, they are not processed the way the average person processes these things. This type of personality has also been found to be poor at recognizing (or maybe just not caring about) the long-term consequences of their actions and their lies.

Most will continue to create stories to cover for new information that keeps exposing their untruths, but when they are finally backed into a corner, they just don't seem to care, and have no problem with the disparity between truth and deceit, and the fact that they have been caught in lies. It's really weird and horrifying ~in my opinion~ and doesn't make sense to those of us with true emotions; such as, remorse, guilt, love, compassion and empathy for our fellow man, and the desire to be good people.

People that murder are not necessarily serial murderers. As for this woman, it's pretty clear (based on legal documentation that has NOT been refuted by LE, the DA, the judge) that this woman did attempt to have her own husband murdered in the last 6-7 months.

My thoughts and opinions on this subject.

MY BOLD

Pardon the O/T reference, but that comment is also perfectly apropos in the Casey Anthony case. She walked those investigators straight down the hall towards a non-existent office and never once batted an eye when they called her on it.

 

[cluciano63]

When asked, Kaine could not give an opinion on what type of relationship Kyron and Terri had. So I am not convinced he would have noticed subtle warning signs that his wife was a sociopath. I get the feeling there was little interaction between them in recent months.

 

[cluciano63]

Did TP really say it was after Terri left? IIRC in the video I saw he said that he saw Kyron but he didn't say anything about what time it was. The reporter said it was "about the same time", referring to 8:45. but TP didn't say anything about the time on the video. Then his granny said he told her that he saw Terri leaving with Kyron but she didn't say anything about whether it was before or after he saw Terri.
Is there another video with TP or another classmate?

I thought TP said he saw Terri leave (which I have my doubts about) but not with Kyron? If so, why would he ask (teacher) where Kyron was?

 

[seeking truth]

What do we know for sure she lied about?

The investigators have let us know, mainly through Kaine and Desiree, that TERRI HAS LIED.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to go over this entire case and to recognize that this woman has a very tenuous relationship with TRUTH. To me, it is CLEAR that she has been caught in lies and these will be her downfall.

As far as SPECIFIC lies that we, the public can be completely sure of, that is not what is important; not to me, anyway.

It is the EVIDENCE of her lies, that has obviously been uncovered by investigators, that matters to me.

My opinions.

 

[BeanE]

Then his granny said he told her that he saw Terri leaving with Kyron

Whoa!!! I've never seen granny say that TP told her he saw Terri leaving with Kyron. Could we have a link please?

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

I for one am not concerned about what lies she has told and that we are not aware of being true. KC was a huge liar and as ridiculous as her lies were it did keep her out of the slammer for a while.

We do not know Terri...Kaine, Desiree and Tony do and they all have formed their opinion on this situation and so I for the time being am going to trust their opinion over Terri's or anyone that doesn't know her.

I don't really see it as a gang up on Terri stragedy but if it turns out that way, I'll eat my words.

 

[Donjeta]

Whoa!!! I've never seen granny say that TP told her he saw Terri leaving with Kyron. Could we have a link please?

Typo, I meant without. I'll edit. Thanks for noticing.

 

[kimmera]

After sleeping on this "timeline" and now reading all the posts to catch up, I have one word.

LUNCH

This timeline goes from 8:45 to 1:20 and no where in there does it even mention LUNCH. Now, of course, TH wouldn't have had to have lunch but what about the baby?

Why does TH not talk about LUNCH anywhere? What she ate, what the baby had, where they ate? You don't go from 8 in the morning to 1:30 in the afternoon without feeding a baby lunch!!!!!

And with what we know from KH about getting home and kissing baby and "getting something to eat" and then going to his home office - then when was baby fed LUNCH?

Guess nobody ate lunch that day huh.

BBM~
Good catch...you are right. It is hard to believe that a baby that age could go that long without eating. :waitasec:

 

[akashana]

And see, here's another thing. She was supposed to be so good at "doing the deed", that LE is having a wee bit of trouble proving it and finding Kyron, but this "mastermind" couldn't come up with anything better than - Oh yeah, I was driving around on "rural" roads for an hour and a half???? :banghead:

But you know, in this digital age where almost every store has surveillance cameras and our presence can so easily be electronically tracked via cell phone pings, key card swipes and even traffic cams on well-traveled roads, it's not so easy to deny your whereabouts for a certain time period. Think about it - you were somewhere you shouldn't be, doing something you shouldn't do and have to account for it in some way. Can't say shopping because of the cameras, fast food places use them too, and most people would remember serving someone in a sit down restaurant. Even most community libraries or internet cafes have some sort of electronic tracking systems for their users. Some major roads have tolls or e-passes that log us in and out of their systems. So really, it's a simplistically brilliant alibi, if it is indeed a lie. How in the world can LE disprove her story unless somebody, somewhere can attest that they saw her elsewhere during that critical time.

 

[RubyRed]

BBM~
Good catch...you are right. It is hard to believe that a baby that age could go that long without eating. :waitasec:

It is easy to feed a toddler while traveling. Granola bars, fruit snacks, juice boxes, crackers, cheese etc.