Timeline Discussion

[Kat010]

Two interesting points!

1) Until you mentioned it, it never occurred to me that she didn't mention a word about having lunch or feeding baby K.

It's true that we often feed babies on the go--a bottle here, a packet of food from the diaper bag there--so it might not seem worth mentioning. But did SHE not eat lunch? What, was a Starbuck's enough to give her energy for a workout and rejuvenate her from her unusually busy morning (hauling the kids into school, instead of simply having Kyron ready for the bus)?

That's makes two people who seem to have no mention of lunch in their day, as Dede didn't show up for lunch at her workplace, either.

2) She wouldn't have been able to unload the groceries until she got home around 1pm. It has been questioned before about whether she might have bought anything that needed refrigeration, and maybe that's what it is. But, actually, do we have any indication that she actually bought groceries? In her email, doesn't it say that she went to the FM stores solely in search of medicine for baby K?

JMO

At our Starbucks, you can get some sort of fruit smoothies. Even more importantly, you can have protein added to your drink.

A venti mocha chocolate chip frappucino with one or two packets of protein is very filling. Been there, done that. And, you can also get both breakfast and lunch sandwiches at many Starbucks. (Try the egg white and spinach wrap. Yummy. Hmmm..maybe I have time this a.m. for just that.)

 

[Calliope]

At our Starbucks, you can get some sort of fruit smoothies. Even more importantly, you can have protein added to your drink.

A venti mocha chocolate chip frappucino with one or two packets of protein is very filling. Been there, done that. And, you can also get both breakfast and lunch sandwiches at many Starbucks. (Try the egg white and spinach wrap. Yummy. Hmmm..maybe I have time this a.m. for just that.)

I don't think it would be odd if she didn't eat during this time. She probably had something that morning before leaving home, and was back home by shortly after 1. That's only about 5 - 5 1/2 hours. And just from my own experience, I never liked to eat before working out, rather I just kept water with me to stay hydrated. Many days I don't even eat my first meal until noon or a little later. (I've had to work on that bad habit since being diagnosed with diabetes but it's a hard habit to break)

 

[Kat010]

Starbucks menu:

http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks

I definitely have to reload my card and book it on down there.

 

[Donjeta]

It's an important fact to consider because it significantly shortens the amount of time Terri would have had to do *whatever* to Kyron and dispose of him and any evidence.

IMO, it couldn't have been done in 35 minutes, not so that she's managed to foil LE's attempts to pin this on her and locate Kyron --- or any evidence that he is dead. Even if we start with the full 90 minutes, that only leaves 50 minutes for her to have pulled this off, and I just don't see her doing that in such a short period of time.

I suppose it depends on what she had to do and how much it had been planned in advance. It probably wouldn't have been enough time to locate a suitable burial site and dig a deep grave or clean a ton of blood from the truck but I expect that you can, say, strangle a child and put the victim in a bag and drop the weighted bag off a bridge or a boat in a few minutes. There wouldn't be much evidence to clean up. If you want to stash a living child with someone you might just have to drive to a convenient exchange point where you park the car for some minutes, transfer the child to another vehicle or a house, maybe exchange a few words with the accomplice and drive back. There wouldn't be any cleanable evidence in that scenario either since Kyron had been in that truck lots of times and signs of his presence there wouldn't mean anything.

 

[Chili Fries]

It's an important fact to consider because it significantly shortens the amount of time Terri would have had to do *whatever* to Kyron and dispose of him and any evidence.

IMO, it couldn't have been done in 35 minutes, not so that she's managed to foil LE's attempts to pin this on her and locate Kyron --- or any evidence that he is dead. Even if we start with the full 90 minutes, that only leaves 50 minutes for her to have pulled this off, and I just don't see her doing that in such a short period of time.

If she did it and had an accomplice (DeDe or someone else), getting rid of Kyron may have taken a very short amount of time.

It would only take a matter of minutes to hand him off to someone, dead or alive. If she killed him then she could have strangled him, which only takes a few minutes, or given him a drink with a bunch of pain pills or something in it and let him die while she went to Fred Meyers (I really hate typing that kind of thing). Then she could have just followed her plan...driven to meet DeDe or someone else and passed him off or just driven to her preplanned spot and thrown him down a ravine or dropped him in the water (in a suitcase or something). Really wouldn't take much more time than driving to a spot and immediately driving back to the gym.

The biggest issue with this is that LE seems to think her timeline doesn't exist in a vacuum. Bank records, cell pings, communications with DeDe, suspicious statements by Terri, polygraph results, probably other stuff we don't know about...it seems obvious to me that there are thing like this that throw up red flags to LE. I'm not saying Terri is guilty for sure just that it's hard to parse these things out, especially when we don't know all the possible evidence against her.

 

[nyvictoria]

What I don't get about driving around with a fussy baby is, why try to get her to sleep if she's only going to wake her up to go to the gym?

 

[Really]

...cultivating marijuana sounds like a reason to avoid LE. Ok, back to Terri and the timeline. IF this was as well planned out as it appears then perhaps the 2nd adult was in the pick-up truck with Terri's regular phone & driving all around in an obvious fashion while Terri took the OTHER vehicle that LE's been asking about with Kyron and did whatever she had to do....of course, then there's the baby K issue and where was she during that time?? Maybe in the back of the pick up?? She had to know that the truck would be highly visible & recognizable AND if she was big into CSI, she'd know about cell phone pings, etc....the truck was seen driving fast in a couple of areas around town...red herring??

 

[Emeralgem]

Save my thread! No snark, please. (Grandmaj is fast and she has a radar for snark...just sayin'.) :angel:

I wasn't being snarky.. What I stated is just as plausible as some of the other scenarios that are being presented..JMHOOTS

 

[RubyRed]

Keep whittling..How about she and DeDe had a come to Jesus moment and they were in church together praying..Why not? JMHOOTS

LOL, That was good.

 

[Cajun Girl]

Responsible for a pot field or a missing child? I'd take the rap on the pot field.

This wasn't a timeline LE was trying to verify weeks later, it was formed the day Kyron went missing. At that time all four parents were suspects, it seems that everyone else's alibi checked out except for Terri's.

When the space shuttle exploded I can tell you exactly where I was, what I had done and the how if effected my mind and that was long ago.

A 'few minutes' is less than 5.

A cranky baby in need of medicine. Why go to the second branch and pass up the other drug stores on the way? Why park at the far end of the parking lot and take the time to show an aquantence a picture of a child she barely knew? Why keep driving further and further away from your house with a sick child? Perhaps it leads you further away from people you know, or people who know you. Why go to a gym with folks less familiar with you and your sick child? At least she would be more comfortable with folks familiar with her/you.

Did she ever plan to return to Skyline to see the talent show or pick up the project? Was it her sick daughter that prevented this? Perhaps the baby took a turn for the worse after she was left at the gym's day care. She obviously rallied that afternoon because Terri was FBing and she was in her room, playing when Kaine returned home.

All these questions could be simply and truthfully answered. Obviously they were not which led LE to look at Terri thru a microscope. Hopefully they are holding far more incriminating evidence than mere speculation. Terri's inability to speak the truth has caused her to become the focal point of this investigation. What gets me is truth really is stranger than fiction but it never wavers. Liars must create more lies to confirm their 'truths.' It would seem Terri has spun an unbelievable web. Why? What on Earth could be more horrific than your missing step son? What could cast you in a light darker than that?

Where are you angel?

 

[passionflower]

Two interesting points!

1) Until you mentioned it, it never occurred to me that she didn't mention a word about having lunch or feeding baby K.

It's true that we often feed babies on the go--a bottle here, a packet of food from the diaper bag there--so it might not seem worth mentioning. But did SHE not eat lunch? What, was a Starbuck's enough to give her energy for a workout and rejuvenate her from her unusually busy morning (hauling the kids into school, instead of simply having Kyron ready for the bus)?

That's makes two people who seem to have no mention of lunch in their day, as Dede didn't show up for lunch at her workplace, either.

2) She wouldn't have been able to unload the groceries until she got home around 1pm. It has been questioned before about whether she might have bought anything that needed refrigeration, and maybe that's what it is. But, actually, do we have any indication that she actually bought groceries? In her email, doesn't it say that she went to the FM stores solely in search of medicine for baby K?

JMO

Great thoughts........I'd love to know what she ordered from Starbucks, who was with her........DEDE/ Baby K???
Maybe she doped Kyron up and waited for him to OD/sleep..called DD to help with what ever they did with him..........
maybe nothing was about baby K.
Baby K might of fallen asleep doped also.

90 minutes od pure driving would put about 100 miles on vehicle............
can they figure out mileage fom service records? ODometer???

 

[Really]

I have a really disturbing question. When is garbage pick-up at Fred Meyers or any other nearby places that would have a smelly dumpster in the back? That could be accomplished in less than 1 minute and fits in with timeline. Also the time that Kyron was supposedly in school, the truck would have been at the dump and back. Someone putting a large garbage bag into a dumspter is not out of place but MAY have been noticed...

 

[lynmaree]

What I don't get about driving around with a fussy baby is, why try to get her to sleep if she's only going to wake her up to go to the gym?

This is the part thats really bothering me too!!! I have a two year old and if for any reason I drive around and he falls asleep in the car, it stinks to have to wake him to bring him in the house or elsewhere...in my opinion, there is no way she could have been hoping for Baby K to fall asleep or she wouldnt have been able to go to the gym and keep her sleeping...and in my experience, if the baby is sick and cranky, once you get him/her to sleep there is no way you are going to disturb that slumber and risk even more crankiness by awakening him/her before they "get all their sleep out"...

 

[Calliope]

I have a really disturbing question. When is garbage pick-up at Fred Meyers or any other nearby places that would have a smelly dumpster in the back? That could be accomplished in less than 1 minute and fits in with timeline. Also the time that Kyron was supposedly in school, the truck would have been at the dump and back. Someone putting a large garbage bag into a dumspter is not out of place but MAY have been noticed...

LE tagged their photos of the parking lots to indicate where Terri parked that morning. That makes me think they have video of her truck in those spaces. IF so, then I think they'd have seen her make a move toward a dumpster.

 

[lynmaree]

Was also wondering what kind of medicine she was shopping for at both FMs? Could it have really been for the purpose of knocking out Kyron instead od medicating Baby? Did she turn over the med to LE and did they note how much was missing from bottle/container? In the hours between trip to FM and Kyron not coming home, a baby of K's age would have required no more than 1-2 doses. Even by the next day only a fraction of the meds should have been used right? Additionally, most meds, (even OTC) specifically now say not to give to children 4 or younger....very curious as to what type of meds she was shopping for.....unless directed by a doctor or given a Rx, there really isnt anything you can give except infant Tylenol/Motrin and that dosage for a child that age is still only 1/2 tspn every 4 hours (alternating) and thats in the case of a high fever... bottles should stil have been practically full...

 

[Kat010]

Save my thread! Please! Stay on topic. This isn't a general discussion.

Nor is it a platform for disdaining other viewpoints.

It's simply an alternative look at the timeline, with a more human/normal look at a potential day and elements than a militarily precise down to the minute/second. It's not about parenting styles, nor other cases.

That's all.

Again, save my thread! I hate to see threads closed, and we've had to have a few of them closed for snark, off-topic, etc.

 

[loves2bmom]

Save my thread! Please! Stay on topic. This isn't a general discussion.

Nor is it a platform for disdaining other viewpoints.

It's simply an alternative look at the timeline, with a more human/normal look at a potential day and elements than a militarily precise down to the minute/second. It's not about parenting styles, nor other cases.

That's all.

Again, save my thread! I hate to see threads closed, and we've had to have a few of them closed for snark, off-topic, etc.

I deleted mine!

 

[kathryann]

OK, all this sounds good, but there HAS to be a reason that LE is focusing on TH and DeDe, and I think they know alot more about this than we think. I just really want this to be over and Kyron found. It must be terrible for his parents to not know anything.

 

[Kat010]

I deleted mine!

Thanks, loves!

I know this is an emotional case, but one thing I like about WS is that we try to stay on-topic, try to analyze cases and turn ideas over, and we avoid personal stuff and vitriol (that's a general comment, not referring to you at all).

I'm just trying to do my part to living up to the standards. If I err, please forgive me.

 

[BeanE]

Posting for reference. This combines the info for Terri's timeline from all three sources we have from Terri for her timeline: both articles plus Terri's emails.

Combined info from the Two Terri Timeline Articles and Terri's Emails

Grocery Shopping

First Article: According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman says she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.

Terri's emails: In addition: I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man “chaperone” and 2 girls after I left. I have a receipt showing I was checked out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn’t have at the first FM.


Driving on Rural Roads

First Article: Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri said she drove her daughter K around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because K had an earache. She said she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.

Second Article: She told investigators that she drove K around a series of rural roads for an hour, saying she was trying to calm her down because she didn't feel well.

Terri's emails: Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20.


Gym

First Article: At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.

Second Article: She went to the gym for about 45 minutes that morning and arrived home about 1 p.m. to post pictures from the science fair on her Facebook page.

Terri's emails: Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20.


Back Home

First Article: By 1:21, Terri said she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook she'd taken that morning of Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, K, standing with his.

Second Article: She went to the gym for about 45 minutes that morning and arrived home about 1 p.m. to post pictures from the science fair on her Facebook page.

Terri's emails: Home at 12:45.


First article: http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html

Second article: http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html