Timeline of residences

[ewwwinteresting]

This is certainly a interesting theory ewww. Could it be that Karyn's support of Raven has caused friction in the Bolton household - perhaps to the point where a divorce is in the works? Has supporting Raven caused the family to have financial woes? It's certainly not uncommon for a family to experience turmoil over dealings with a child from a previous marriage. Perhaps Jim Bolton is tired of supporting Raven financially; perhaps he and Karyn have argued over things as varied as the Trust Fund (set up in care of Jim Bolton at his credit union), Raven's guilt or innocence, and who knows what else.... Interesting things to consider for sure.

Ahhh, forgot about the trust fund and the whole stepchild issue! I bet you are right SES. Can you imagine having your stepson (who is a felon) move in and then start draining your finances, getting on your nerves, no quiet time and then possibly having to fight on what the trust fund money is spent on??? Whew, sounds like quite a bit to deal with and could break up a relationship.

 

[snapple]

Ahhh, forgot about the trust fund and the whole stepchild issue! I bet you are right SES. Can you imagine having your stepson (who is a felon) move in and then start draining your finances, getting on your nerves, no quiet time and then possibly having to fight on what the trust fund money is spent on??? Whew, sounds like quite a bit to deal with and could break up a relationship.

Especially if you think your son-in-law is guilty of murder. Out of the bunch Jim seems like the most normal, maybe he has come to the same conclusion that most of us on this site have come to..that raven is guilty. I wonder how Karen would of taken it if he voiced his thoughts on that.

 

[newkid]

Yeah, but 8 bedrooms is 8 bedrooms. We have 5-6 bedroom houses out here for $400,000 and up, and even some of them have shoebox-sized rooms.

The kitchen seemed to be a fairly nice size. It has two family rooms. When I compare their house to mine, they have about 1300 sq. ft. more and 3-4 bedrooms and one family room more. It seems that that would be enough space for reasonably sized rooms but I could be wrong. This is certainly not my forte. What struck me as being very odd is that all of this house sits on such a small lot - a quarter acre if I'm remembering correctly?

.25 acreas is pretty standard lot size around here. Land is turning into the priciest part of a home purchase.

Looking at the # of cabinets, I think the kitchen isn't all that huge. Also, looking at the island, it looks like they can get 4 chairs around it, 2 on 1 side and 1 on each end.

I think that the garage sticks out a bit in the front and there is living space behind it. I was looking at the pic of the back of the house and I can see a basement window next to the french doors. It's hard to tell from just a picture, but I wouldn't have guessed there is 3500 sq ft there.

Oh my gosh! I just looked at the coordinates of the address and I think my cousin lives just a street or two over. I'll have to ask if she knows what is going on.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Oh my gosh! I just looked at the coordinates of the address and I think my cousin lives just a street or two over. I'll have to ask if she knows what is going on.

Oh that would be so interesting if she/he knows them. It would be great to have someone help fill in some of the blanks we need!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Especially if you think your son-in-law is guilty of murder. Out of the bunch Jim seems like the most normal, maybe he has come to the same conclusion that most of us on this site have come to..that raven is guilty. I wonder how Karen would of taken it if he voiced his thoughts on that.

I'm wondering IF Jim would voice his thoughts? It seems, from what we've heard and read, Karen rules the roost in the house. Maybe Jim just got sick of it and filed for divorce. Karen wouldn't be able to support the house by herself with her get rich quick jobs and so decided to sell it. Does anybody know whether they have children together? Would Jim have to pay support to Karen?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I know of 3500 sq ft homes that have 5 decent size bedrooms. I would bet that in a 3500 sq ft home with 8 bedrooms, some of the bedrooms would be shoebox-sized.

ETA: I still disagree with the fact that that home is 3500 sq ft. For it to be that way, there has got to be a finished attic and basement, but can split-level houses have basements?

I bet the 3500 sq ft would include the garage and yes, you are right with that many bedrooms they would have to be really small, which is probably why they didn't show any pictures of them on the site.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I don't think that kitchen is as big as it seems either. I bet you anything that the person taking that picture is taking it while standing against the far wall. Making it look like a huge kitchen.

That's usually what is done...make it look bigger and better than it really is!

Did you guys notice at the end of the ad that it lists the owner as Jim Bolton, not Jim and Karyn Bolton? Maybe Karyn doesn't even own the house. It could have been Jim's house before...something he got from his prior wife, an inheritance, or ?

 

[terminatrixator]

Gosh, lots of speculation on this house and what is going on. Is is sold yet? Is there still a for sale sign on it? In the picture you can see a for sale sign.

Jim Bolton does seem like a nice guy and from all accounts, there really isn't much information out there regarding his children, it seems like this family is very innocent and on many levels and I feel for this family.

I have a lot of sympathy for Jim Bolton and his children for having to deal with all the problems that has been brought into their life by his wife and a few of her children that seem to have so many issues.

 

[Jenifred]

I bet the 3500 sq ft would include the garage and yes, you are right with that many bedrooms they would have to be really small, which is probably why they didn't show any pictures of them on the site.

Oh, the honesty just oozes out of them! I know that it's a practice that is probably done quite frequently, but adding in the garage in the sq ft is a little on the misleading side. If I were personally looking for a house, and the owner did that, I'd also wonder what other truths they were trying to stretch.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Our information is coming from a website dedicated to selling properties so if that site says that it's 3500 sq. ft., I would assume that it's accurate. And there's nothing wrong with a .25 acre lot - it just seems odd to me that a 3500 sq. ft. house would be sitting on a lot that size. .25 acres seems very small to me for a house that size. JMO. Might this home have additions? Is it standard to put a 3500 sq. ft. home on a .25 acre lot?

ETA: One more thing - split-levels can be very deceiving. I've been inside of some where it seems that the rooms keep coming and coming and coming, and you never would have guessed it from the outside.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

That's exactly what I think. And when you compare that to the picture of the back of the house, it really isn't as big as it seems.

The only thing that throws it off to me is this (and here we go with the Ferrand Dr. type discussion):

Look at the backyard pic. Look at the small windows that we think are the kitchen. Now look to the left. There's some sort of bay window or something there. IMO, it appears that whatever room that is is on the same level as the kitchen.

Now look at the pic of the kitchen again. On the right side of that pic, you can see what appears to be two sets of stairs - one going up, one going down. It doesn't seem that there's enough space for there to be a hallway between the kitchen and those stairs but I can't tell for sure. If those stairs are right there, where is the room with the bay window?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Oh, the honesty just oozes out of them! I know that it's a practice that is probably done quite frequently, but adding in the garage in the sq ft is a little on the misleading side. If I were personally looking for a house, and the owner did that, I'd also wonder what other truths they were trying to stretch.

Aren't there rules that have to be followed in real estate? When I was buying, I was told that unless the garage is converted to a finished room, it cannot and will not be included in the sq. ft. measurement of the home, nor would an unfinished attic. The sq. footage, as I was told, had to indicate actual living space. I was also told that that was standard for all listings.

Also, I have 4 fair sized bedrooms in my house - nothing huge but nothing shoebox-sized either. And I have about 1300 less sq. footage in my home than the Bolton home. Granted, they have 3-4 extra bedrooms as well as an additional family room but to get 3 more rooms out of 1300 sq. ft. doesn't seem to me that they would necessarily be unlivably small (depending on how large the other rooms are and how much additional room is used up by the family room, of course).

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Google Local - 10798 S Heather Ridge Dr,Sandy,UT

Here's the map of the residence. It appears that there might be train tracks that run near this house. Maybe they just want to get away from the noise of a nearby train?

Looks like lots of parks nearby - Crescent Park is at the end of their block. I wonder if it's the type of park with swings and playgrounds for the kids. Maybe Kaiden plays there.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Here's some info on Crescent Park (and the city of Sandy, Utah in general):

Sandy City :: (pics at the site as well)

One of Sandy's larger parks, it covers 7.8 acres. The primary use of the park are two regulation size softball diamonds (lighted) and 2 tennis courts. In addition to these great facilities are 10 picnic tables, a lighted outdoor pavilion, playground, basketball court and a 1/3 mile jogging trail.

Among other things, it appears that they run youth soccer from the park:

Utah Youth Soccer Association

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think that the garage sticks out a bit in the front and there is living space behind it.

That would make sense. And keep in mind that it's a 2 car garage so any living space behind it would be the width of a 2 car garage, not a 1 car garage.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

3 bathrooms
7 bedrooms
8th bedroom or office (14 x 15) (So the 8th bedroom anyway isn't a shoebox)
2 family rooms
2 laundry rooms
2 water heaters

I think that the 3500 sq. ft. is accurate. This house sounds like it was made for a big family. And it sounds like a very nice house.

 

[momx3]

They could just be wanting a new house. The real estate market in Utah is amazing with lots of new growth. I know I've only been in my house for 5 years and I'm just waiting until my basement is finished so we can put our house on the market and get a new one.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I agree momx3. I suspect that they just want a new house. Happens all the time.

ETA: Now that their family is pretty much grown, I imagine they don't need quite so many rooms either.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

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http://www.assessor.slco.org/cfml/Query/detail.cfm?Parcel_id=28184540120000&link_id=244693

Sq footage: 3190 (not counting garage)
Bathrooms: 2
Bedrooms: 3
Floors: 1

I guess we can assume they finished the basement and put another bathroom and 4 bedrooms, but added another 3 floors:waitasec:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.assessor.slco.org/cfml/Query/detail.cfm?Parcel_id=28184540120000&link_id=244693

Sq footage: 3190 (not counting garage)
Bathrooms: 2
Bedrooms: 3
Floors: 1

I guess we can assume they finished the basement and put another bathroom and 4 bedrooms, but added another 3 floors:waitasec:

So let me get this straight ... the house that the Boltons are selling used to be 2 bathrooms, 3 bedrooms, and 1 floor? In the pics, we can clearly see that the house is built into the ground so it seems impossible that it was ever just one story, even if they put addition after addition on there.

Okay, number of stories aside, I can believe that the house may have originally been 3 bedrooms and 2 baths. Is it possible that the additional bedrooms, etc., came from an addition being put on? What is the square footage like of the neighboring homes? If the square footage is similar, it could even be that some of the rooms were big enough to be split in order to accomodate for the number of children that Karyn and Jim had at home. 7-8 bedrooms does sound like an awful lot - it doesn't seem like that many bedrooms would have been built into a standard house unless the house was built specifically for them.

Do we have any comps in the area that we can use to compare sq. footage and numbers of rooms?