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[Britt]

until morning. Frankly, I think he was as puzzled as the cops until later that morning.

I used to think that, but I've changed my mind. It was John who hustled Burke out of the house early that morning and wouldn't let Officer French question him, telling the cop that Burke had slept through it all and didn't know anything... already using the sleeping excuse to obstruct the investigation. IMO he obviously knew what was going on and knew that JonBenét's body would be found shortly.

 

[Cypros]

If I had to fly out in the early morning with small children the day after a big holiday AND it was my own plane, I would not bother getting the kids dressed or fed at the house. I would have everything packed and ready to go -- including breakfast foods -- and I would roll the kids out of bed at the last minute, put them in the car still in their pajamas, and drive to the airport. The kids could get dressed and eat on the private plane. Also, they had the stop in Minneapolis where they could all have a good meal in an airport restaurant before taking off again.

Regardless, though. I think 5:30 is pushing it too late for the parents to be getting up. I voted 5am as the absolute latest.

 

[tumble]

The thing is we know that they were going to have breakfast at the house

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay, um, what was you going downstairs for? At the very beginning. You get dressed, come downstairs, stop at the ironing board. Why were you heading downstairs in the, the very beginning?[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]PR: Oh, to make coffee and kind of get a little breakfast ready and just kind of, we were getting ready to, I mean we had to be at the airport at, you know, I think we were going to take off at seven or something like that.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]making coffee and sit down and drink it(you don't plan to just drink coffee from the pot do you?) would take some time. Also this thread is not to speculate what happend after 5.30(according to them...), we know that. This thread is about,[/font]
[font='Courier New', monospace]if you would have to make this trip(including breakfast as we know they did...) what time would you set on your alarm.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]We know what they had planned to do and how they acted ie no appearant rush until 5.50 when PR found the note. They could very well have stated that they were going to leave at once but they didn't. Does it make sense to set the alarm to 5.30 and then act the way they did for the first 20min until the RN was found?[/font]

Another example of the slow goings on that morning,
when JR woke just before the clock was supposed to ring he appearantly shut it off. This we know because PR mentions she was not woken up by the clock(in fact how PR awake we don't know).
[font='Courier New', monospace]PR: Uh, I think he had it set, but I don’t think it went off. I think we woke up about, you know, I don’t remember it going off or anything.

[font='Courier New', monospace]TT: Okay.[/font]

[font='Courier New', monospace]PR: I think he just maybe might of, I don’t know how you can turn it off.[/font]
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He must have awoken her. Then she took until 5.50 without waking kid up och even start breakfast.



From the 98' interview. PR changed her statement to matching JR. Ie leaving the house at 6.30. But here PR does not say she was awoken by JR. Appearantly JR didn't think it was a problem if PR slept until he finished showering. And leaving the house at 6.30 does that makes sense? 10min for parking car, get to plane, enter plane, get flight permission,taxi out,...
She herself says in the 97 interview that being at the airpost at 6.30 was understood.

14 TOM HANEY: So you wake up and

15 you're not sure of the time. Did you happen to

16 look at the clock?

17 PATSY RAMSEY: Not -- I mean, not

18 to the minute, no. I mean -- no. Sometime

19 between 5:30 and 6.

20 TOM HANEY: Okay. And when you

21 woke up, where was John?

22 PATSY RAMSEY: He was up already.

23 He had gotten up, I think he was in the

24 bathroom.

 

[aussiesheila]

My dear brother (only brother, thank the gods) loves to needle me on this. He always says to me:

"Guv," he says, "if the Ramseys did do it, why did they call 911 when there was so much left to do?"

And what do you say when he asks this SuperDave? I too, have asked this question back some time, I'm still waiting for a believable answer.

I don't suppose you could prevail upon your obviously oh so clever brother to start posting here could you SuperDave? Add a bit of balance to the forum? And is his spitballing as funny as yours?

 

[Britt]

"Guv," he says, "if the Ramseys did do it, why did they call 911 when there was so much left to do?"

And what do you say when he asks this SuperDave? I too, have asked this question back some time, I'm still waiting for a believable answer.

Here are two:

1. Patsy was working alone and had to call in police and friends before John figured out what had happened... they were protection for her, and put pressure on John to go along with her.

5:30 could've believably been about the time John finished getting himself ready for the trip and came downstairs, having left all other preparations and kid stuff up to Patsy.

or

2. Burke. How were they going to deal with Burke? They had to call in friends to take Burke out of there, and they couldn't hardly call friends without calling the police.

 

[BBB167893]

I said that my brother asks me, "Guv," he says, "if the Ramseys did do it, why did they call 911 when there was so much left to do?"

To which aussiesheila said:

"And what do you say when he asks this SuperDave? I too, have asked this question back some time, I'm still waiting for a believable answer. I don't suppose you could prevail upon your obviously oh so clever brother to start posting here could you SuperDave? Add a bit of balance to the forum? And is his spitballing as funny as yours?"

Firstly, I thought I answered this already, but okay. I say to him: "Mate (I'm leaving his name out of it per his request!), they had no choice. Everyone knew that they had to be getting up early to make their flight. If they didn't do it then, chances were someone might call or come to the house. That REALLY would have screwed them up! I had him there!

Secondly, it's not often he gets called clever, aussiesheila! It's funny you mention him. He's kind of a kindred spirit to you. He has the same feelings on the case you do! (A few minor differences.)

I don't know if that bit about my spitballing being "funny" is a knock at me, but I did ask him. He said he'd have to think about it.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I don't usually comment on this case, but have enjoyed reading this thread.
I did place an entry for 5:30. Most kids use less time to get ready for school and most adults are up and ready for work in less than a half hour. An hour and a half to catch a plane twenty minutes away sounds extremely reasonable to me.

 

[aussiesheila]

Here are two:

1. Patsy was working alone and had to call in police and friends before John figured out what had happened... they were protection for her, and put pressure on John to go along with her.

5:30 could've believably been about the time John finished getting himself ready for the trip and came downstairs, having left all other preparations and kid stuff up to Patsy.

or

2. Burke. How were they going to deal with Burke? They had to call in friends to take Burke out of there, and they couldn't hardly call friends without calling the police.

But why call the police so early? Why not wait until they had got rid of the body and THEN call the police? Patsy had already written into the note that JonBenet would die if they called them, so they could tell the police they were too afraid to call them at first, but when at last the kidnapper had not made contact, they finally decided to call them in.

 

[aussiesheila]

I don't know if that bit about my spitballing being "funny" is a knock at me, but I did ask him. He said he'd have to think about it.

Not a knock, I enjoy reading your posts SuperDave, the way you never get mad at anyone. Got to leave the rest of my answer till tomorrow

 

[BBB167893]

"But why call the police so early? Why not wait until they had got rid of the body and THEN call the police? Patsy had already written into the note that JonBenet would die if they called them, so they could tell the police they were too afraid to call them at first, but when at last the kidnapper had not made contact, they finally decided to call them in."

Well, depending on which version of their story you get, in the interviews with Haney, Patsy said that John told her to call, even though she was hysterical. Haney expressed a great deal of doubt, saying that he wouldn't have his hysterical wife call anyone.

Now, IF she wrote it, then if he told her to call, she had to keep up the subterfuge, right?

"Not a knock, I enjoy reading your posts SuperDave, the way you never get mad at anyone. Got to leave the rest of my answer till tomorrow"

I TRY not to get mad. Because when you get mad, you make mistakes. I shall wait impatiently.

 

[Chrishope]

I don't think there's any sense speculating about what time the alarm should have been set.

If I had to be at the airport at 6:30 I'd need to be up at 6:05. My wife would need to be up at 4am.

It was a private plane from boulder, wasn't it? It's not like it was going to take off w/o them.

 

[tumble]

I don't think there's any sense speculating about what time the alarm should have been set.

If I had to be at the airport at 6:30 I'd need to be up at 6:05. My wife would need to be up at 4am.

It was a private plane from boulder, wasn't it? It's not like it was going to take off w/o them.

They had a connection to catch. They had to leave at 7.00. And they were a family with kids, not just two persons.

 

[Chrishope]

They had a connection to catch. They had to leave at 7.00. And they were a family with kids, not just two persons.

Two kids who could have travelled with minimal preparation. As another poster said, sounds like a poptart morning.

Did they have a wait at the next airport? IOW, was catching thier connecting flight a split second affiar, or did they have plenty of time.

Anyway, why is it so hard to get up at 5:30 and being at the airport at the appointed time?

I lean heavily to RDI but this is just much ado about nothing. Besides, give them credit. If they are smart enough to committ murder and get away with it, they were smart enough to set the alarm early enough.

 

[Texana]

I believe it would have taken the whole family at least two hours to get out of the house, which is why I voted 4:30.

TWO hours? Clearly you have never left for vacation with a person like Mr. Texana. One hour, tops. Two kids, vacation, time allowed for last minute screw ups, five a.m. would be the wake up time.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Didn't they have to file a flight plan?:waitasec:

 

[MysteryAddict]

I would have set the alarm for 5:00 AM but --

I highly doubt the Ramsey's went to bed at all that night!!

 

[Omega]

Tumble said:
"on the morning JR says that he woke up before the alarm went of about 5.25. He showered and at some point heard PR scream. At this time PR was dressed already and she was in bed when he got up, this means that PR probably didn't shower at all putting on the same clothes as the day before. What do you ladies say about this? Sound unlikely to me."

Everyone has been making fuss for quite some time about Patsy wearing the same clothes as the night before. I'm quite a vain person, and obsessed with clothes, and I regularly wear the same clothes as the day before. Especially if you're going on holiday and you have already packed and "preloaded" all your favourite clothes onto the plane.

Was Patsy one of those "I have a million outfits and I like to amuse all my friends by wearing something new every day" kind of people? Or, like me, did she have a few really nice outfits which she preferred wearing?

Also, if, according to Patsy's interview with Tom Haney, John woke up just before the alarm at 5.25, and Patsy woke up while John was in the bathroom, say 5.30, that only gives her 22 minutes to get dressed, do her hair, put on make up, find ransom note, read ransom note, chuck a hissy fit, tell John about it, check on Burke (I think I remember reading she checked on Burke) and call 911.

Patsy seems like a fairly high maintenance kind of make-up girl, what sort of make-up did she wear? I read that when the police came, she was wearing a "full face of make up". Does that just mean a bit of lipstick? Or did she do the full eye-liner, eye-shadow, foundation, cheeks, lip liner, lipstick routine? Surely she'd have to make her hair look respectable as well, at least 5 minutes for hair alone.

I find it very difficult to believe that, if she woke at 5.30, she could have done all of this by 5.52 when she made 911 call, although it really does depend on the extent of her hair and make-up routine. Does anyone know the details of her hair and make-up?

 

[tumble]

Everyone has been making fuss for quite some time about Patsy wearing the same clothes as the night before. I'm quite a vain person, and obsessed with clothes, and I regularly wear the same clothes as the day before.

Right Omega, I don't believe this is strange anymore.

I find it very difficult to believe that, if she woke at 5.30, she could have done all of this by 5.52 when she made 911 call, although it really does depend on the extent of her hair and make-up routine. Does anyone know the details of her hair and make-up?

She was wearing full makeup when officer French arrived.
Reading her statements you see that she didn't go straight down to the kitchen but stopped doing some laundry on the way down.
This shows that they were in no hurry. And PR even states that her intention was going down making coffee in the kitchen, that means their intention was also to at least have some breakfast in the house.

She found the note going down into the kitchen at 5.45. That means she give 15min for getting out of bed, putting on clothes, putting on makeup and doing some laundry.

Anyway, why is it so hard to get up at 5:30 and being at the airport at the appointed time?

JR and PR statements waver on when they wanted to leave the house. Sometimes they say they wanted to be at the airport at 6.30 and sometimes they say they wanted to leave the house at 6.30.
It was a 20min drive to the airport. Leaving the house at 6.30 seems quite tight to me.

I don't think there's any sense speculating about what time the alarm should have been set.

They could have reasons for putting the alarm time later than it actually was, otherwise they have had to explain what they did between finding the note and calling the police.

 

[Omega]

tumble:
I think the alarm time is soooo relevant. Either she woke up earlier, 5am at the latest and she and John are both mistaken about the time, or she's lying. There is no way she could have done all of that stuff in 15 mins.

Also, as a fairly vain sort of person, but someone who likes to sleep in as late as possible, I would have planned to wake at 4.30 or 5 at the absolute latest. I dont' have kids, but, if I did, I probably would just shove them in the car in their pyjamas and feed them something later. Even so, I'd need to be up earlier for hair, make-up. Impossible that they would have set the alarm for 5.30.

Although, it did take them so long to be interviewed by the police, that maybe it's plausible that they've forgotten what time they set the alarm...

 

[tumble]

I think the alarm time is soooo relevant. Either she woke up earlier, 5am at the latest and she and John are both mistaken about the time, or she's lying.

I think this is important to( as you might guesses )
And I think lying is indicative of guilt.

Although, it did take them so long to be interviewed by the police, that maybe it's plausible that they've forgotten what time they set the alarm...

Yes, but it they forgot the actual alarm time the timeline breaks down.
Lets say the clock was set to 5.00. JR awoke before the alarm. When did JR shower then? He awoke first. Would he shower and shave for +45min?
He wasn't clothed at 5.45 according to the statements by PR and JR.