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[Omega]

verrrrry interesting....

Another thing which has bothered me for ages is, if there really was an intruder, and Patsy found the note at 4.45, is it realistic to call the police 7 minutes later? The note does say the kidnappers were "monitor[ing]" them and "if you call the police she dies" by "behead[ing]". Surely the threat of such violence would make you spend more than 7 minutes deliberating over whether or not you should call the police?

 

[tumble]

verrrrry interesting....

Another thing which has bothered me for ages is, if there really was an intruder, and Patsy found the note at 4.45, is it realistic to call the police 7 minutes later? The note does say the kidnappers were "monitor[ing]" them and "if you call the police she dies" by "behead[ing]". Surely the threat of such violence would make you spend more than 7 minutes deliberating over whether or not you should call the police?

The note was foudn 'about' 5.45. Maybe some would call LE without hisitating one second but I think the absolute majority would express their concern about the police bieng seen too the operator. Also I don't think most people would hang up the phone on the operator when they still were talking to you in that situation.

 

[Chrishope]

Right Omega, I don't believe this is strange anymore.

She was wearing full makeup when officer French arrived.
Reading her statements you see that she didn't go straight down to the kitchen but stopped doing some laundry on the way down.
This shows that they were in no hurry. And PR even states that her intention was going down making coffee in the kitchen, that means their intention was also to at least have some breakfast in the house.

She found the note going down into the kitchen at 5.45. That means she give 15min for getting out of bed, putting on clothes, putting on makeup and doing some laundry.

JR and PR statements waver on when they wanted to leave the house. Sometimes they say they wanted to be at the airport at 6.30 and sometimes they say they wanted to leave the house at 6.30.
It was a 20min drive to the airport. Leaving the house at 6.30 seems quite tight to me.

They could have reasons for putting the alarm time later than it actually was, otherwise they have had to explain what they did between finding the note and calling the police.

I'm one of those people that if I had to be at the airport at 6:30, I'd be there at 6:15. My wife would think it appropriate to leave the house at 6:40. People's sense of time, and their ability to determine how long it takes to get places, and their attitude about punctuality differs greatly. I thought it was their private plane, or at least a small private plane they had arranged to fly on. If their connecting flight was say a couple hours after their scheduled arrival at (? was it Minneappolis ?) then they had some leeway in their takeoff time. I recall something about JR talking to the pilot that morning, trying to arrange a flight to Atlanta. So this wasn't a commercial airliner that was going to take off w/o them. I'm just not sure we can tell much by the alarm time in relation to when they had to be at the airport. It was a somewhat flexible self-imposed schedule rather than an inflexible airline schedule.

Of course you're right about them not being able to have too much time between getting up and finding the note. They might have had to change the alarm time to make it sync with the RN finding time which, as Omega points out, was about 7 minutes before calling 911.

 

[Chrishope]

verrrrry interesting....

Another thing which has bothered me for ages is, if there really was an intruder, and Patsy found the note at 4.45, is it realistic to call the police 7 minutes later? The note does say the kidnappers were "monitor[ing]" them and "if you call the police she dies" by "behead[ing]". Surely the threat of such violence would make you spend more than 7 minutes deliberating over whether or not you should call the police?

That's interesting. I'd never considered the time taken for deliberation. I don't know how much we can make of this. You might take a half hour to decide, someone else might take 1 minute.

 

[Chrishope]

The note was foudn 'about' 5.45. Maybe some would call LE without hisitating one second but I think the absolute majority would express their concern about the police bieng seen too the operator. Also I don't think most people would hang up the phone on the operator when they still were talking to you in that situation.

It is weird that they didn't mention the note says don't call police. They also had neighbors over even before the police arrived. So they weren't taking that part of the note seriously.

Last night I was reading a transcript of Patsy talking to the 911 operator. She mentioned that the note said SBTC. She made sure to get that in there, but didn't mention JBR might be beheaded if police or others were seen at the house.

Very weird.

 

[blonde1]

Regardless of the note, I'd instinctively run to my child's room to make sure it's true, then I'd go thru the whole house, every inch, looking, calling the child's name, because I wouldn't want to believe the note - I can imagine telling my hub to go one way and me the other - I also might be afraid that the kidn are close by and make sure my other child is OK and stays right beside me. It wouldn't take long to check my house, but their house? Plus the discussion about what to do -- 7 minutes is not much time.
Wearing the same clothes: I took PR for someone who'd lay out everyone's coordinated outfits for the next day. I can see her throwing on sweats from the day before, but that's about it. I guess because they're rich, I imagined her walk-in closet with the shirts and pants separated by color - not like she didn't have enough to choose from.
Getting to the plane - that's all personality, IMO - but trying to do one last load of laundry - doesn't that take at least 20 minutes for the washer and 40 minutes to dry?

 

[tumble]

IMO - but trying to do one last load of laundry - doesn't that take at least 20 minutes for the washer and 40 minutes to dry?

My mistake, I didn't mean doint laundry in that sense. I meant PR was fiddling around with some stained clothed and planned for taking them to the drycleaners. But she states that she stopped by the ironing board for a few minutes.

Minutes that are quite scarce in this timeframe.

So this wasn't a commercial airliner that was going to take off w/o them.

Yes, it was their own plane but even small airplanes are not just free to go as they want. They are given a timeframe based on the flight plan the pilot gives the aircontroller before start. And the flightplan was to leave at 7.00.

What I find very interesting about this is that PR's first statements says that they were planning to be at the airport at 6.30, she than changed this to leaving the house at 6.30. I tend to believe that the first statements were correct. Which means that they would have to leave the house at 6.10 which makes a very tight fit with PR going down making coffee at 5.45 with no kids awoken and JR still upstairs in his bathroom.

On top of this, JR didn't awake PR when he got up around 5.30. He turned the alarm of. How could he know that PR would awake at all. As far as he knew PR could very well still be asleep by 5.50 when he finished his shower and shaving.

 

[BBB167893]

"It was a private plane from boulder, wasn't it? It's not like it was going to take off w/o them."

That's the point. SOmeone would have looked for them

 

[Chrishope]

"It was a private plane from boulder, wasn't it? It's not like it was going to take off w/o them."

That's the point. SOmeone would have looked for them

Sure, and I see that they had to make a 911 by a certain time, and make every appearance of getting up and getting ready to go. I'm just not sure we have to take the "down to the minute" timing so seriously.

I don't know much about FAA rules, so maybe a pilot could help us out here, but is it really necessary for a private plane to take off at 7 on the dot to adhere to the flight plan? Is there any leeway here? And if it is necessary to be that precise, wouldn't the Ramseys have known that from previous flights, and wouldn't they have accounted for that in deciding when to make the 911 call and what time to state that the alrarm was set?

 

[tumble]

wouldn't they have accounted for that in deciding when to make the 911 call and what time to state that the alrarm was set?

Interesting you ask that cause that is really thing springing point. Why didn't they call earlier if they was supposed to be up earlier.

Maybe something happend in the morning hours and they just couldn't make the planning, RN, staging in time.

Maybe something happened earlier that night and they realized that their initial staging wouldn't hold and they did the final stagings i the morning and time ran out.

Or maybe the timeschedule never changed and they just tried to play up the scenario as they thought it would go if JB had been kidnapped for real.

How the timeschedule actually fits can help us to understand which of these cases were actually true and what actually transpired in the house that night.