TN - 4 dead, several injured at Waffle House, Nashville, Apr 2018 *Guilty*

[jjenny]

From what has been reported, he had delusions for quite a while. So, what was his father thinking when he took the guns yet returned the guns more than once?
From what I am reading, authorities can't even figure out if it was illegal for father to return the guns, so the father might end up not criminally prosecuted.

 

[jjenny]

Wonder what was so important on his laptop that he took it to computer store to have it erased.

Listen to odd audio of phone call to store after it was erased. Does his voice sound "druggy" ??

http://www.wsmv.com/story/38030802/...hard-drive-weeks-before-waffle-house-shooting

My guess, nothing. He likely believed people were hacking into it, which is why he wanted it erased. But then he apparently decided repair shop put something on it as well.

 

[enelram]

Reinking told co-workers in Colorado he was openly gay.

He quit the crane co. in Salida Co. under interesting circumstances, that he believed police were following him after

police responded to his 911 call.

Boss in Co. called his father and father was aware of his son's mental problems and behavior, father said he was

"trying to re-kindle their relationship".

http://www.wsmv.com/story/38032755/911-call-from-accused-murderer-reveals-taylor-swift-obsession

 

[enelram]

The FBI comments on "Sovereign Citizens" which TR claimed to be a member of. FBI calls them Domestic Terrorists.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/n...stic-terrorism-the-sovereign-citizen-movement

 

[x_files]

Not to make light of this... But he was spotted at a grocery store prior to the shooting shouting out profanities and racist comments. One witness left with her child after no one working at the store asked him to leave.

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Sounds like he did this all the time and people just learned to ignore him until he left.

 

[x_files]

Wonder what was so important on his laptop that he took it to computer store to have it erased.

Listen to odd audio of phone call to store after it was erased. Does his voice sound "druggy" ??

http://www.wsmv.com/story/38030802/...hard-drive-weeks-before-waffle-house-shooting

Hard to tell because the reporter kept talking over him.
He did sound slow and drugged up either street or pharm meds.
He does sound paranoid.

 

[x_files]

My guess, nothing. He likely believed people were hacking into it, which is why he wanted it erased. But then he apparently decided repair shop put something on it as well.

paranoid delusional of others hacking or framing him. Most likely he searched or downloaded illegal material. He either cannot remember downloading it so thinks the computer repair shop put it there or is smart and making a case in advance of plausible denability when illegal things are found later on his laptop.

 

[enelram]

paranoid delusional of others hacking or framing him. Most likely he searched or downloaded illegal material. He either cannot remember downloading it so thinks the computer repair shop put it there or is smart and making a case in advance of plausible denability when illegal things are found later on his laptop.

If this took place a month before shootings, shows me he was already considering the aftermath of what he was

planning. He knew after the shooting that LE would be examining his laptop.

How did this guy get a job in Tn. without having to list Co. job as a reference. I know some employers will not give a negative reference and will only confirm dates of employment. Apparently ex boss did not mention his mental
condition if they were contacted. Have we heard why he left the first Tn. employer?

 

[mpnola]

Sounds like he did this all the time and people just learned to ignore him until he left.

Right! I live in new orleans, so I know we have more than our fair share, but doesn't every town have that one person who is clearly mentally ill,everyone knows, but they consider them harmless and mostly just ignore them? That's how I'm guessing he was. Because 99% will never become violent. No reason to call the police. The police know who they are, too. But in his case, it sadly became deadly.

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[jjenny]

Reinking told co-workers in Colorado he was openly gay.

He quit the crane co. in Salida Co. under interesting circumstances, that he believed police were following him after

police responded to his 911 call.

Boss in Co. called his father and father was aware of his son's mental problems and behavior, father said he was

"trying to re-kindle their relationship".

http://www.wsmv.com/story/38032755/911-call-from-accused-murderer-reveals-taylor-swift-obsession

Yet he was obsessed with Taylor Swift. One would think if he were gay, he'd pick a male star to obsess over.

 

[keeleydoll]

For me ( and I do understand I dealt with it daily) but there is nothing most can do . THere is no money. It is so that simple. And sad

We have cancer treatment centers. We have diabetes programs.

Our system is so effed. A lot of people seem to have a hard time believing there is no help. It always comes up -- they should have had him institutionalized.

There are no institions. Does anyone know where there are open beds for long term chronically ill residential placement?

Nope.

I tried endlessly and I am trained as time passed it became there is nowhere to put people who need help. That requires beds, trained staff == $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

We don't know yet what if anything they did try but none of it can match the reality. It is a lifelong illness. There is no cure.

I think big Pharm endless commercials on psyc meds has been so dangerous to our society. They give the false notion that it is curable. It is not. It can be mitigated when it is really neurotransmitters.

When someones parent dies it is normal to be depressed. How it works. Now they give out an anti depressant.

An antidepressant is not going to do anything for a person who is grieving -- their neurotransmitters are fine . They are human.

This is all bi pharm and money. Think about it -- do any of us see endless diabetes meds being launched every week (after spending millions in clinical trials) . No WHy ? Cause for the most part what is out there works.

It is a racket. But it creates the expectation from others around the person suffering that they are supposed to go back to normal whatever that is .

Anyone know anyone who gets angry or blames someone with diabetes or cancer?

We need long term residential treatment facilities/homes.

Its all about money, and the social media aspect .

50 years ago if Nice truck happened the whole world would not know about it .

So that would be 245 million less people who would think about turning cars into murder machines.

What freaks me out about using vehicles is it is instructive to turn your wheel or slam on your brakes to avoid slamming into stuff -- much more other humans. I dont get how they do it.


IMO it is akin to holding a red hot iron on your hand -- how do they reflexively not turn the wheel or put on the brakes?

Sadly during Nice i stumbled across a 37 second video that was shot by someone right before he/she jumped out of the way.

BUT for that 36 seconds you could hear the noises -- the noises were just horrific. I cant imagine what the noises were like IN the cab.

This sounds awful but I do think witnessing vehicle attack is different trauma wise than a gunshot.

Gunshot people go down.

People and things flying all over the place has got to be nothing other than horror, Seeing a vehicle not doing anything to avoid stop BUT be aiming adds another horror to this .

We need money and education (like the old drugs seat belts drinking driving ads) .

About what it looks like .

None of these families are at fault. If there are no band aids how can people keep being mad at the family systems.

Am curious about dads education history - hopefully media will open that up so we can discuss.

These folks who are suffering are going to remain out in society..........there is no where else for them to be...................................

If we gave up 6 missiles maybe we could find the money

moo

I agree on a lot of this, but didn’t we (the US) stop institutionalizing the majority of psychiatric patients after the argument turned to being about their rights? Especially after Willowbrook was shown to the public, information about the Lynchburg colony came out, etc.?

I do understand that the argument is that while medicated PROPERLY they can function relatively normally, but the right medications or combo there of are hard to figure out and keeping them taking their meds, and in any therapies, is even harder.



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[jjenny]

I agree on a lot of this, but didn’t we (the US) stop institutionalizing the majority of psychiatric patients after the argument turned to being about their rights? Especially after Willowbrook was shown to the public, information about the Lynchburg colony came out, etc.?

I do understand that the argument is that while medicated PROPERLY they can function relatively normally, but the right medications or combo there of are hard to figure out and keeping them taking their meds, and in any therapies, is even harder.



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There is also a problem with psychiatric patients stopping taking their meds. Which is basically impossible to monitor if they are not in an institutional setting. Of course we don't know if TR was even diagnosed let alone prescribed any meds. He grew up in a small rural town in IL. I imagine it would be even harder to diagnose and medicate someone from a small rural town.

 

[human]

From what has been reported, he had delusions for quite a while. So, what was his father thinking when he took the guns yet returned the guns more than once?
From what I am reading, authorities can't even figure out if it was illegal for father to return the guns, so the father might end up not criminally prosecuted.

Exactly. What was the father thinking.

Just another instance like Parkland or Adam Lanza, for instance.

 

[GrilledCheezy]

So that’s interesting to me. I really wasn’t aware that they could be in both delusional and non delusional spaces at the same time. Thanks for giving me something to think about.

When I was seeing a guy who killed his ex-fiancee while we were dating, he presented as a quirky, artsy type. We took my daughter to the zoo. We went out for dinner. We did normal stuff that people who are dating do. He was graduated from Christian Brothers University with a degree in economics. Not until being prepped for his trial did I learn about the depth of his psychosis and the manner in which his family enabled him. I found out the year before we met, he thought he was Ross Perot's campaign manager (this, obviously, happened a few years ago ), stole a Cadillac from a car dealership, and was subsequently involuntarily committed.

His brother brought him home, his parents paid for his apartment, and supported his lifestyle. He was a trust fund baby who had bipolar disorder and was paranoid schizophrenic. Mommy and Daddy couldn't let that information ruin their reputation in our city. Unfortunately, their son killing his ex-fiancee did.

 

[2Hope4]

Wonder what was so important on his laptop that he took it to computer store to have it erased.

Listen to odd audio of phone call to store after it was erased. Does his voice sound "druggy" ??

http://www.wsmv.com/story/38030802/...hard-drive-weeks-before-waffle-house-shooting

I don't know if he sounds drugged, however, the context of his calls sounds like extreme paranoia. Delusional even. He wants to make sure the hard drive is wiped clean, but then wonders if there will be a trace of anything on that computer if he makes a copy of the hard drive. While IMO he isn't believing the repair person, and feels they are 'tricking' him, or pretending to not know what he is saying. Not realizing he isn't making sense.

 

[2Hope4]

I know it's hard to understand mental illness. The brain, our most important organ, and yet the one known the least about. If we try to break it down, and instead think of a different organ in our body that is malfunctioning, say for instance, the digestive tract, you can be vomiting one minute, and OK the next. You can be vomiting, yet still thinking. Vomiting, yet still able to walk around, speak and say what foods are making you sick, or telling someone to grab a trash can for you. You may be vomiting for hours, and then, you're not. But maybe next month, or 6 months from now, you're vomiting again. It can be from different causes. It can be from different causes in the same episode of vomiting. You've gotten food poison, while also have gall bladder issues for instance.

Much of the same happens with a brain medical issue. You may be depressed, yet still be able to go to work, still laugh at a joke, still be an effective parent. Or you maybe unable to start the task of taking a shower, changing clothes, leaving the house... there's so many variables.

 

[2Hope4]

Yet he was obsessed with Taylor Swift. One would think if he were gay, he'd pick a male star to obsess over.

Not true either. Chris Crocker, an openly gay man, famous mostly for his "leave Brittany alone" youtube videos. He still adores Brittany Spears, as a person, as a music artist, but as far as I know, he doesn't want a romantic relationship with her.

 

[2Hope4]

“Intelligent, almost to the borderline genius. But then had some real mental issues as far as being paranoid,” Martellaro said

Martellaro wrote in his investigative report that a co-worker said Reinking was obsessed with Swift, claiming that be purchased a $14,000 ring for her and drove to California to try and meet her.
“Always talked about how he was going to marry her,” Martellaro said.
Reinking also told co-workers that he was openly gay.
The co-worker also told Martellaro that he knew Reinking had four guns at his home, but that no one considered him dangerous.
“They knew he was mentally not all there, that was more for being paranoid with his fascination with Taylor Swift,” Martellaro said.


http://www.wsmv.com/story/38032755/911-call-from-accused-murderer-reveals-taylor-swift-obsession

Sadly this reminds me of Teleka Patrick. She was extremely intelligent. She had mental illness. There's a thread for her here.

 

[cujenn81]

I know it's hard to understand mental illness. The brain, our most important organ, and yet the one known the least about. If we try to break it down, and instead think of a different organ in our body that is malfunctioning, say for instance, the digestive tract, you can be vomiting one minute, and OK the next. You can be vomiting, yet still thinking. Vomiting, yet still able to walk around, speak and say what foods are making you sick, or telling someone to grab a trash can for you. You may be vomiting for hours, and then, you're not. But maybe next month, or 6 months from now, you're vomiting again. It can be from different causes. It can be from different causes in the same episode of vomiting. You've gotten food poison, while also have gall bladder issues for instance.

Much of the same happens with a brain medical issue. You may be depressed, yet still be able to go to work, still laugh at a joke, still be an effective parent. Or you maybe unable to start the task of taking a shower, changing clothes, leaving the house... there's so many variables.

What an interesting and perfect way to describe it!!

 

[CARIIS]

I agree on a lot of this, but didn’t we (the US) stop institutionalizing the majority of psychiatric patients after the argument turned to being about their rights? Especially after Willowbrook was shown to the public, information about the Lynchburg colony came out, etc.?

I do understand that the argument is that while medicated PROPERLY they can function relatively normally, but the right medications or combo there of are hard to figure out and keeping them taking their meds, and in any therapies, is even harder.



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yea i think it was like in the 70's we threw everyone in the streets and wiped our hands of the problem

there was a lot of horrid stuff and abuse in institutions