TN - Five killed in shootings at 2 US military centers, Chattanooga, 16 July 2015

[Nana]

Does anyone know if there are plans from DOD, DOJ, White House, etc etc to attended any and ALL of the services?

 

[Jade]

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U.S. Code &#8250; Title 18 &#8250; Part I &#8250; Chapter 113B &#8250; § 2331
18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions

Current through Pub. L. 114-19. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(4) the term &#8220;act of war&#8221; means any act occurring in the course of&#8212;
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and

(5) the term &#8220;domestic terrorism&#8221; means activities that&#8212;
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended&#8212;
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Very interesting. Thank you for looking that up.

In my first post I posed it more as a &#8220;but I thought&#8221; question but it devolved into a did a civilian get injured debate and then I tacked it on a declarative statement.

 

[Foxfire]

OT - Breaking Shooting in Grand Movie Theatre - Lafayette, LA Fox News/The Kelly File
Reporting 2 killed including the shooter & multiple injuries via Governor Jindall @twitter enroute..

 

[neesaki]

Sincere gratitude to these honorable, courageous people, they are true Americans.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2015/07/after_chattanooga_armed_citize.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Gun-toting citizens are showing up at military recruiting centers around the country, saying they plan to protect recruiters following last week's killing of four Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga, Tennessee.The citizens, some of them private militia members, said they're supporting the recruiters, who by military directive are not armed.
"We're here to serve and protect," Clint Janney said Tuesday, wearing a Taurus 9mm handgun as he stood in a parking lot across from a recruiting center on the west side of Columbus. "What the government won't do, we will do."

 

[katydid23]

Is there another link corroborating that early statement by a bystander?



It’s possible that the witness from the restaurant next door was mistaken during what I’m sure was a very frightening time.

The link I posted was from today.

Quick search again mentions the injured as a Recruiter.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/

But does it even matter? The shooter targeted a recruitment center in a strip mall. It was NOT an active naval base full of armed soldiers. He was a COWARD. It was not an act of war it was an act of extreme cowardice.

 

[Montjoy]

Sincere gratitude to these honorable, courageous people, they are true Americans.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2015/07/after_chattanooga_armed_citize.html

The passage you quoted mentioned that some of the folks were 'private militia members'. I would suggest that in general, I'd be reluctant to call militia members 'true Americans', considering how many terrorist acts militias have been responsible for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_organizations_in_the_United_States

 

[FindHG]

Officers escort Chattanooga shooting victims to final resting places
Associated Press, July 23 '15


Jordan Authorities Free Uncle of Chattanooga Gunman
By Jodi Rudoen, New York Times, July 23 '15

Tennessee Is the Capital of American Jihad
And it didn&#8217;t start last week.
By James Kitfield, Politico, July 23 15

 

[FindHG]

Website linked to Tennessee shooting denies it sells guns
By Frank McGurty, Reuters, 12 hours ago

Flags lowered to honor Tennessee shooting victims
By Al Edenloff, Echo Press, Today, 12:00 am

"So she decided to see if the city of Alexandria could lower its flags in honor of the victims."

[... and then, when she achieved this]

"She took a few photos of the flag set against the bright sunshine. Then, she used her phone to shoot a video.

As if on cue, an eagle soared overhead, adding to the tribute."

 

[Jade]

But does it even matter? The shooter targeted a recruitment center in a strip mall. It was NOT an active naval base full of armed soldiers. He was a COWARD. It was not an act of war it was an act of extreme cowardice.

Yes, it does matter:

They managed to avoid Abdulazeez's bullets, except for Sgt. DeMonte Cheeley, who absorbed a shot to his leg. Abdulazeez sped away to the U.S. Naval and Marine Reserve Center on Amnicola Highway, where he killed four Marines and mortally wounded a Navy sailor.
Cheely was treated by doctors and nurses at Erlanger hospital and released the same day.
In a CBS News broadcast Wednesday night, Cheeley said he didn't even realize at first that he had been shot that morning. His adrenaline pumping, he thought glass had sliced a piece of his leg.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/24/marines-recruitment-center-recall-first-attac/316246/


Thank you Sergeant Cheeley for your service.


Why are you yelling at me he was a coward?

Because I wanted to make sure that a member of the Military was properly recognized?

I’ll leave the nasty talk for until our faithful have been laid to rest.

Please review history in the mean time re: cowards and war starting.


IMO

 

[Foxfire]

Officers escort Chattanooga shooting victims to final resting places
Associated Press, July 23 '15


Jordan Authorities Free Uncle of Chattanooga Gunman
By Jodi Rudoen, New York Times, July 23 '15

Tennessee Is the Capital of American Jihad
And it didn&#8217;t start last week.
By James Kitfield, Politico, July 23 15

Thanx for sharing, HindHG.. Very long read, but well worth it...eyeopening...

 

[FindHG]

Body of sailor killed in mass shooting being returned to Chattanooga
By Jordan Buei The Tennessean, 10:50 pm cdt, July 24 15




taken by HELEN COMER/DNJ

WBIR

[...]

Smith's funeral will be held at First Baptist Church in Fort Oglethorpe on Tuesday, July 28 and visitation will be from 10:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m.

He will be 4 p.m. Tuesday at Chattanooga National Cemetery with full military honors.

That's the same cemetery where Marine Staff Sgt. David Wyatt was interred Friday afternoon.

[...]

~

Photos: Motorcade for Lance Cpl. Skip Wells taken by BOB ANDRES, Atlanta Journal Constitution




Photos: USMC Lance Cpl. Skip Wells&#8217; flag-draped coffin receives a hero&#8217;s welcome
by Jennifer Brett, AJC, July 24, 2015


"The remains of Marine Lance Cpl. Skip Wells, slain by a terrorist&#8217;s bullet on his first day of duty last week in Chattanooga, received a hero&#8217;s welcome upon arrival to Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport on Thursday."

 

[Nana]

Does anyone know if there are plans from DOD, DOJ, White House, etc etc to attended any and ALL of the services?

Well I guess not!!!
What a damn shame!

 

[FindHG]

Hundreds Turn Out To Honor Wisconsin Marine Killed In Tennessee Shooting
Susan-Elizabeth Littlefield, CBS, July 25 15, 5:11 PM

[...]

&#8220;The individuals went down hard,&#8221; Gen. Mills said. &#8220;They went down fighting and they saved other Marines lives. I think they represent Corp and country extraordinarily well.&#8221;

[...]

~

USMC Staff Sgt. David Allen Wyatt 1979-2015
Greg Glover reports for WSMV 4 Jul 24 '15 11:24 pm edt

Mourner says,

"I hope they're all bleeding red, white and blue."


and the community continues to support Staff Sgt's Wyatt's family

 

[Foxfire]

Interesting read:

http://politicalscience.osu.edu/faculty/jmueller/SINCE.pdf

TERRORISM SINCE 9/11
The American Cases
Edited by John Mueller
Mershon Center
Ohio State University
1501 Neil Avenue
Columbus, Ohio 43201 USA
Cato Institute
1000 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20001
April 2015

 

[FindHG]

Slain Marine Lance Cpl. Skip Wells laid to rest
3:05 pm, Sunday, July 26 15

"Wells was interred with military honors at Georgia National Cemetery. The Holly Springs Police Department coordinated a public tribute and issued this traffic advisory:"

 

[katydid23]

Yes, it does matter:



http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/24/marines-recruitment-center-recall-first-attac/316246/


Thank you Sergeant Cheeley for your service.


Why are you yelling at me he was a coward?

Because I wanted to make sure that a member of the Military was properly recognized?

I&#8217;ll leave the nasty talk for until our faithful have been laid to rest.

Please review history in the mean time re: cowards and war starting.


IMO

Your purpose was to make sure that a member of the military was being properly recognized? OK. I am confused because the original discussion that we had was about this:

posted by Jade

But isn&#8217;t terrorism an act against civilians?

An attack on armed forces is war but since the enemy in this case is dead&#8230;



Remembering the above ^^^^ I thought you were once again trying to say this is NOT TERRORISM because the victim were in the military. Or is that your point, once again?

 

[Jade]

I asked that question as part of the conversation on semantics. I didn’t know so I asked. My question was answered in a subsequent post by Foxfire.

You replied that a civilian was injured.

In order to set that record straight I came up with the links to back up that it was a member of the Armed Forces that was injured.

I guess because I am close to the situation is just became really important to me to make sure that piece of information was correct.

What the accurate term for the act is is just conversation. I am not trying to say it was or wasn’t anything I was just participating.

I’m sorry I made you so angry and really don’t understand why you were yelling at me he is coward because I never said he wasn’t.

 

[Jade]

Well I guess not!!!
What a damn shame!

There was no damn shame, I assure you.

Sergeant Wyatt’s services at the National Cemetery in Chattanooga were proper, reverent and heartbreaking. As will be Petty Officer Smith’s today.

Law enforcement in the medium size city, most of them veterans, many young not long back from their own service, were able to fully participate in the processional and services instead of tending to special guests. A rite sorely needed by LE to recover from that terrible day.

So it was a kindness not to burden the community with top officials.

Instead it was and is today a service for the family and the people. Thousands lined the streets, watched live coverage and will again today in 96 degree temperatures.

The procession took an hour to pass. All at the slow pace of the participants with no outside schedule or commitments pressing was right for the family and community.

Had the POTUS or other top brass needing security tried to attend they would have been accused of grandstanding, promoting an agenda or taking away from the somber nature.

To try to diminish the sanctity of the ceremony by making it seem lacking shows misunderstanding of the depth of loss of the men and devastation of the community.

These men served their Commander in Chief without question or hesitation. To insert a person’s political agenda during mourning without knowing the fallen’s affiliation or wishes is disrespectful and unpatriotic.

All my opinion

Letter from the mother of Sgt Wyatt to Chattanooga:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/26/mom-says-thanks/316525/

 

[FindHG]

"The funeral Monday in Springfield, Mass., for Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Sullivan, one of five service members killed in the July 16 attack in Chattanooga, Tenn."
NYT 7/27

by Michael Dwyer/Associated Press

 

[Foxfire]

Interesting articles and timeline links by the Chattanooga Times Free Press


See the DUI arrest of Chattanooga gunman Mohammad Abdulazeez
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...-video-mohammad-abdulazeez-dui-arrest/316980/