TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren,44, Signal Mountain, 30 April, 2011 - #11

[BeanE]

This photo album and message from Gail's sister, Diane, can be reposted on Facebook, Twitter, online forums, discussion boards, and the other places you visit on the net, to spread Gail's information, and Diane's request to the public for help.

Just post this link:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.243906152289486.78725.100000103098913

There are pictures at the top, and then if you scroll down, there's Diane's message.

Thank you in advance to everyone who posts it.

 

[hollyblue]

I'm not quite understanding the method behind the reason either, but what do I know? Perhaps, she isn't thinking clearly or could be she knows exactly what she is doing...Could be she has turned them over to LE..Who knows? JMHO..

ETA.. Bottom line as I see it, IF MP has never been abusive to Gail P. or to the children in all reality there is nothing for him to be concerned about..

I think she turned them over and was just being "smart" with the other poster on BGHN. Let's not forget....MP...or his attorneys' PI WANTED that DVR info...badly. He wanted that tape...as much as the computers he confiscated, imo. Since AD had it, it can't be erased...as the too bad so sad scenario we have seen by attorneys with the puters....unless they are really into circumventing the law. It stinks to high heaven, imo.

Saying that, the only other possible reason I can see for AD to hold on to that info is if she was involved or in cahoots with MP and is using it as "insurance" on him. Tit for tat. She has talked with the FBI..not the <modsnip> she feels have neglected the case. Unless she is a full of narcissism, I think she would have offered to hand it over. Don't you think AD has to be "cleared" from involvement also...as do TH and his mother? Many a gf or MIL have offed the wives...with or without the hubbies involvement. MP is still MY #1 POI tho. JMO

 

[JayCeeVee]

I too would love for Gail to be alive, even IF she left on her own volition to escape him.. Sadly, I don't believe that is the case....
Unfortunately when I think of Matt P. I'm reminded of ALL the narcissistic sociopathic men who have managed to disappear their wives and who continue to walk free...As I see it, seems sociopaths living with and amongst us have reached epidemic proportions...JMHO[/QUOTE]

Without a doubt MP was uncaring in the beginning and IMHO portrayed all the aspects a criminal profiler would declare was suspect. It amazes me that every day there are yet more wives missing who are in the midst of a divorce or attempting to separate with a husband. How did this country amass such a bunch of uncaring and narcissistic/sociopath men and, yes, sadly some women who also fit this profile. My husband was raised on Signal Mountain and we live near there. This type of thing just doesn't happen there. It truly seems the SMPD dropped the ball from the beginning. I know that I, personally think about Gail daily and I never met her. I do, however, know of her MILs sister and she is a fine lady and she is as baffled as the rest of us. So many of the women missing are not being found and I so hope that isn't the case here. The number so the missing is beyond astounding!!

 

[BeanE]

Reasons I wouldn't turn over a DVR in a similar situation/set of circumstances as Arlene's/Gail's:

- the DVR didn't contain the abuse/ill treatment I'd publicly claimed it did, and I didn't want LE to see what a liar I was, and feared LE might let the public know that I had lied

- the DVR showed me doing things I shouldn't have

- the DVR showed that other things I'd publicly claimed had happened were not, after all, true

- the DVR put other people in a bad light, showed poor behavior for someone else, for people I didn't want anyone to see in a bad light. e.g. just thinking of Arlene's statement that the reason Gail put the security system in was because the maid's child had stolen the key to the lake house and broken in.

- the DVR showed info I didn't want people to have because it didn't support what I was claiming. e.g. what if the DVR showed Gail saying she's leaving Matt, leaving the kids, and not coming back?


I can think of lots of reasons - that's just off the top of my head. Bottom line, there is no good reason for Arlene not to turn over the DVR when her friend is missing.

I also want to say that whereas I was speculating, I would not withhold the DVR for any of the reasons above, or any other reason. No matter what I had done, no matter what it showed, I would be concerned about my missing friend - or even a missing stranger for that matter - and I would want LE to have any and all info that might help figure out what had happened to them. My conscience just wouldn't allow me to do otherwise.

I would have a copy made and turn it over - the day my friend disappeared. Like I posted much earlier on in the case, LE saying they didn't want info wouldn't cut it with me. If I felt it was important, I would simply put it on their desk and say, "There it is. I'm leaving it with you. Please look at it." and I'd walk out. Plain and simple.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Emeralgem]

I think she turned them over and was just being "smart" with the other poster on BGHN. Let's not forget....MP...or his attorneys' PI WANTED that DVR info...badly. He wanted that tape...as much as the computers he confiscated, imo. Since AD had it, it can't be erased...as the too bad so sad scenario we have seen by attorneys with the puters....unless they are really into circumventing the law. It stinks to high heaven, imo.

Saying that, the only other possible reason I can see for AD to hold on to that info is if she was involved or in cahoots with MP and is using it as "insurance" on him. Tit for tat. She has talked with the FBI..not the <modsnip> she feels have neglected the case. Unless she is a full of narcissism, I think she would have offered to hand it over. Don't you think AD has to be "cleared" from involvement also...as do TH and his mother? Many a gf or MIL have offed the wives...with or without the hubbies involvement. MP is still MY #1 POI tho. JMO

BBM.. Yes,I do.. IF Gail was my friend and I knew I was not involved in her disappearance I would be sitting on the FBI's doorstep insisting they give me a poly so I would be cleared of any involvement in her disappearance... Same applies to MP, his mother and TH too...IMHO..They should be doing everything within their power to remove any suspicions being cast their way...JMHO

 

[believe09]

I actually dont believe that the DVR shows anything either, or at least not what AD believed was there. Which does not reflect on her at all.

I dont believe that Matt P expressed much concern when Gail disappeared and he has not pandered to the public since she disappeared goodness knows, but I am not ready to consider him to be sociopathic or even guilty of disappearing his wife. I think it is clear he was not much of a husband to her and although I dont know her it appears that she is a thoughtful, caring person who was in turmoil for at least this last year.

I hope she is somewhere safe trying to figure out how to get back to her children and her family...I doubt that anyone who counts in her life will be anything other than thrilled if she reaches out. Come home soon Gail.

 

[believe09]

BBM.. Yes,I do.. IF Gail was my friend and I knew I was not involved in her disappearance I would be sitting on the FBI's doorstep insisting they give me a poly so I would be cleared of any involvement in her disappearance... Same applies to MP, his mother and TH too...IMHO..They should be doing everything within their power to remove any suspicions being cast their way...JMHO

Did Arlene take one or was she offered one I wonder? I agree with you Emeral-I would absolutely take every step that would allow LE to move on from focusing on me.

 

[Emeralgem]

Did Arlene take one or was she offered one I wonder? I agree with you Emeral-I would absolutely take every step that would allow LE to move on from focusing on me.

I don't know.. I would hope LE offered to give her one and she agreed..
But after following the Haleigh Cummings case for almost three years now and learning some of the key players claim they were never offered a poly in the beginning, I don't know..
IF it were me, and my spouse, best friend, daughter-n-law or my lover's wife had disappeared without a trace, I would be demanding my name be cleared...JMHO


ETA.. On the other hand I fully realize some see no reason for MP to have to clear his name due to LE claiming there is no evidence of foul play... Granted there may be no physical evidence of foul play within the residences that have been searched, however I cannot see how LE can say no foul play is involved considering Gail feared she was being followed..IIRC her neighbor across the street has even given credence to Gail's concerns..
Under these circmstances I cannot understand WHY or HOW LE can rule out foul play being involved...As I see it anyone and everyone close to Gail who was in the immediate area on April 30th is suspect IF she was indeed seen on Signal Mtn that day....JMHO

 

[hollyblue]

Believe, just to be clear. I wasn't calling LE names. I was using the analogy of AD's thoughts....as in not trusting the local LE. I'm a supporter of LE generally on all threads, but I do think SMPD dropped the ball from the get go....yet know better than and see no sense in name calling either. Sorry if it came across that way. JFYI

 

[hollyblue]

I actually dont believe that the DVR shows anything either, or at least not what AD believed was there. Which does not reflect on her at all.

I dont believe that Matt P expressed much concern when Gail disappeared and he has not pandered to the public since she disappeared goodness knows, but I am not ready to consider him to be sociopathic or even guilty of disappearing his wife. I think it is clear he was not much of a husband to her and although I dont know her it appears that she is a thoughtful, caring person who was in turmoil for at least this last year.

I hope she is somewhere safe trying to figure out how to get back to her children and her family...I doubt that anyone who counts in her life will be anything other than thrilled if she reaches out. Come home soon Gail.

I have to disagree. His attorney...or MP wanted it too bad. They even had documented that fact. JMO

 

[believe09]

I get your point Holly-he wanted his property returned, or what he stated was his property, for sure.

I actually believe that Matt and/or his atty would have turned the DVR over to LE anyway. Especially since, IIRC, LE was present when the letter was given to Arlene D by Matt's PI. It is material evidence. I cant imagine that an attorney would not turn it over to law enforcement, and the presence of the DVR was well known at that point since Arlene says she had already notified LE that she had it.

 

[Emeralgem]

I get your point Holly-he wanted his property returned, or what he stated was his property, for sure.

I actually believe that Matt and/or his atty would have turned the DVR over to LE anyway. Especially since, IIRC, LE was present when the letter was given to Arlene D by Matt's PI. It is material evidence. I cant imagine that an attorney would not turn it over to law enforcement, and the presence of the DVR was well known at that point since Arlene says she had already notified LE that she had it.

BBM.. Do you really think so?
I don't think so... IIRC the computers weren't turned over to LE.. The attorney claimed they were sent off and IF something was deleted, just too bad..JMHO..

 

[believe09]

Tough to claim it doesnt exist if law enforcement has already been notified that it exists and they are standing there when someone hand delivers a letter about it.

As for what may or may not have disappeared from Matt's house-I feel for LE. They had no cause to obtain a warrant to search prior to the terms drafted by Matt's atty apparently. They knew, undoubtedly, that if there was anything incriminating regarding Gails disappearance, it was likely gone.

But, they have to dot that I.

 

[Emeralgem]

Tough to claim it doesnt exist if law enforcement has already been notified that it exists and they are standing there when someone hand delivers a letter about it.

As for what may or may not have disappeared from Matt's house-I feel for LE. They had no cause to obtain a warrant to search prior to the terms drafted by Matt's atty apparently. They knew, undoubtedly, that if there was anything incriminating regarding Gails disappearance, it was likely gone.
But, they have to dot that I.

BBM...And considering those circumstances MP is on the list as being my #1 suspect in regards to being involved in Gail's disappearance.....JMHO

 

[KathyJ]

Hard part with everything that is going on is "perception" is everything. Everyone seems to speculate based on the perception they are getting from every side. LE, MP, Family Members, Friends....It's easy to form an opinon on what someone should be doing in this situation. I still stick with the fact there is so much more going on than what we know. There is a reason to keep things quiet. Let's not forget that. We as the public are really not owed anything when there is an on going investigation of any sort.

What is the right way to act? No one really knows. I know if my friend was missing I would be doing everything positive I could to help in the investigation. Revealing personal details? I am not so sure I would do that, nor would I want my friends revealing certain things about my life either if I was "missing" especially things that may not have any bearing on the situation. This is ALL a matter of opinion, everyone has opinions and they are not always right or wrong. I think I am leaning more towards giving out the personal details within any kind of social media. I would share everything with LE and probably just keep it there.

We need to keep in mind there are a lot of people hurting in this situation and this situation has changed their lives forever. Regardless of the connection to this case, people are hurting even if you think they are not. There is a lot of collateral damage with this case.

Don't anyone jump on me, I am not defending anyone specifically, just put yourself in this situation as a friend, a family member, a neighbor.....All of us have stuff in our lives that our family members are not aware of or our closest friends. Being related to someone does not make you privy to ALL information in their lives.

The focus needs to remain on the ultimate goal here which is what happened to Gail.
Those kids deserve an answer more than anyone that is involved in this situation.

 

[hollyblue]

IMO, LE could have ASK for any of the computers...or even to have a nice look-see around the SM home, but they didn't. Even the security system if it was up and operational at the time. I've seen where LE has done that in other missing person's cases, and SMPD didn't bother or just wanted to take MP's word....even after all the domestic calls they had responded to for them. If MP or his attorneys later wanted to retrieve them, LE could have then secured a subpoena to keep possession of them because Gail IS/WAS missing. IMO

 

[glorias]

BBM.. Do you really think so?
I don't think so... IIRC the computers weren't turned over to LE.. The attorney claimed they were sent off and IF something was deleted, just too bad..JMHO..

I agree. When AD at first didn't want to turn the DVR over, I thought that seemed out of line. Then later we saw the lawyers had removed all the computers before police could search the properties, and LD told the media something dismissive like "If stuff is deleted, it's deleted." That's when I personally decided AD had real reasons and wasn't just being persnickety.

 

[glorias]

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I dont believe that Matt P expressed much concern when Gail disappeared and he has not pandered to the public since she disappeared goodness knows, but I am not ready to consider him to be sociopathic or even guilty of disappearing his wife. I think it is clear he was not much of a husband to her and although I dont know her it appears that she is a thoughtful, caring person who was in turmoil for at least this last year.

Why do you think she's been in turmoil for at least a year?

 

[KathyJ]

IMO, LE could have ASK for any of the computers...or even to have a nice look-see around the SM home, but they didn't. Even the security system if it was up and operational at the time. I've seen where LE has done that in other missing person's cases, and SMPD didn't bother or just wanted to take MP's word....even after all the domestic calls they had responded to for them. If MP or his attorneys later wanted to retrieve them, LE could have then secured a subpoena to keep possession of them because Gail IS/WAS missing. IMO

Can't agree more with this statement. It's baffling that LE did not do as you said the "nice look-see around" I would almost think it would be human nature with LE to give a quick look somewhere, even to look for clues that she may have left on her own ( I don't believe that). Look for any clues that may lead them in any direction.

 

[Oriah]

You know what bothers me most about AD's involvement concerning LE and potential or actual evidence?
The 'come here, go away' aspect.
The 'look, I have something shiny, but I'm not gonna show it to you' aspect.

It's like some big taunt, or game. Maybe that's not the intent- but the approach sure isn't helpful in finding Gail.